No "Coming Soon" Gen 9 stuff from PAs?
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I would have thought there would be some teaser threads from PAs about the cool Gen 9 stuff they have been working on....
Has Daz required Radio Silence? I would have thought they would want a bit more buzz building up.
Somebody has to be working on Morph Converters, Clothes, Poses, Expressions etc etc.... c'mon, lets see em
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There is at least one teaser thread, potentially at least three depending on what Zev0's threads turn out to be.
edit: also, the reveal video for V9 mentioned a pose converter.
I was kinda thinking more along the lines of something in the Daz PA Commercial Products thread... but I'll double check in the other areas with fingers crossed.
I think the various "placeholder" treads in the commercial products forum section is all the PA's can do for now. I would expect that Daz had the PA's that want to work on any G9 stuff signing off on a non-disclosure agreement.
Given that we are talking about a competely new figure, with different bone names and structure and a unimesh, I would also appreciate if there would be any hint if and how we can use G8 and 8.1 stuff (or even earlier generation stuff) on G9, especially clothing, hair and poses.
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/594581/coming-soon-placeholder#latest
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591191/place-holder-thread-2-commercial#latest
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/587086/place-holder-thread-commercial#latest
All in the commercial products forum.
Just for clarification, the reason I make placeholder threads is because they are linked inside product scripts, and the products are already submitted in pass. It is not about teasing at all to be honest. They will be renamed when I am allowed to rename them.
Yeah... that is just it, I would have thought Daz would want the buzz of us mere mortals talking about the products, and building up the anticipation. It has taken a while to get my jaw un-dropped, and It would be cool to see what is coming...
But hey, whatdoIknowaboutmarketing... ?
PAs are still under NDA. Anyway, Daz hasn't even announced the contents of their own V9 bundle yet.
My answer is similar. I needed a forum link for a pdf. I may be having a smidge of fun with it too :)
The question I have is why. How does secrecy help sales in any way?
The secrecy on bundle content kept me from preordering it. I ordered only the character when the Daz+ discount bonus was $45% on the first day of this month's sale instead of 30%. Later the 45% was removed from new releases and they got ony 30% again.
There are links at the bottom of the page as of yesterday they still went to an oops page.
People don't over-interpret descriptions and end up being disapointed, and so not buying. People don't rub the shiny, new off the products in their minds or through discussion and end up not buying. There is the potential for slips between cup and lip.
Once upon a time back when there was dinosaurs Daz used to have in their anouncement threads lots of pretty pictures. Some of these items took a long time to make it to the store and there was a lot of angst about why hadn't they arrived yet and also as Richard has said...there was sometimes disappointment because items were overhyped too far ahead of release.
I do miss the pretty pictures of new items though.
Yuuup. Usually whenever we were tight-lipped about an announced release at my work, it was because there was some concrete, practical reason it would have been a risk to talk about it. It's almost always better to talk about things for marketing reasons--especially if you want new users--but reality hates cooperating with product promotion goals. :P
I work in the video game industry, which has pretty enormous expectations for hype and delivery, and I would love to write a whole thing about how many times we've chosen not to talk about something because we'd learned players would just yell at us for it. Not because there was anything wrong with the game to be legitimately angry about, but because the marketing failed to tickle their brains at the precise frequency needed to give them a hit of anticipatory glee. This is an entirely different thing from feelings about the content itself; it's more like "I depend on excitement for upcoming game releases to sustain my mood, and if that fragile flower is not watered by amazing marketing hype I revert to crushing despair."
So reception of the product or release itself can be great, yet meanwhile tons of users who were not blown away by whatever information you gave them might be rolling in to Eeyore about the worst case scenario and make the most bad-faith assumptions about your motivations, purely out of frustration that what you said didn't give them the dopamine they were counting on. And while it's definitely possible to overhype releases, sometimes people will take the tiniest shred of information and blow it up into a castle in the sky because daydreaming and being excited about things is fun and comforting, and then have the exact same crash landing reaction when reality doesn't match up.
My assumption with G9 is that there's not much more they can tell us that would be useful to people who are sold on it since we can't use it yet, and not much more that would sway people when the figure will be out soon and any concerns over hypothetical issues will either vanish or be validated as soon as people load it.
I'm certain there are disadvantages from revealing too much, but on the other hand, you won't sell a lot of game pre-order bundles showing one character and "stuff" to be named later.
The key difference from the gaming industry comparison is that games can be shown off years in advance. So yeah, the hype can die down. All I am talking about here is a couple weeks. That is a pretty big difference. A couple weeks doesn't leave time for the new shine to wear off.
And if that is the argument, wasn't revealing Victoria 9 a mistake by that logic? There are limits to how far this line of thinking can go. Clearly Daz wants to create hype. But here is the thing, and I am sure the marketers in the forums can understand this: You have to MAINTAIN THAT HYPE. You cannot allow it to die. If you let the hype die, you failed. No, you trickle things out, and control what gets out so that it is exciting. Instead, Daz simply stopped everything. Jay is making videos, but after the reveal video the later videos have nothing new to show. That is a failure on Daz (to be clear, I am not saying the failure is on Jay, he is cool). Give people a reason to watch. Show people a hint of what you are bringing. Show some awesome promos that wouldn't be easy to do with G8. Show the user why the separate mouth and eye is a good thing. Show us how the new unified body is better than having them separate. Prove the doubters wrong and convert them.
Besides that, I am mostly just asking for the most basic of information. Things with Genesis 9 seem to be different. So it stands to reason that questions about basic functionality be addressed.
What about genital parts? Now that Genesis is unified, does Victoria include...both? Sure, recent Daz Originals have done that. But not all, and since G9 is a new thing, who is to say how things are done now. These are questions worth asking. Do customers have to buy the bundle? Is it it even included with the bundle??
That question has not been addressed by anyone.
What about the price? Sure there is a price listed, but is that price going to be the same on launch day, or will it go up? That is a pretty basic question.
How many items will the bundle have? Without even revealing the contents you can at least say how many items it includes.
And like Sevrin just posted, game preorders give players a better idea of what they are getting. These days they even make charts listing the items included with the preorder, something that Daz was unwilling to do. Most games will show off gameplay footage. Some even do full on beta like Street Fighter 6 is doing right now (and to wild acclaim I might add.)
There is certainly a balance to it. It is an art form itself, and why people get paid to be marketers. But what Daz is doing here doesn't make sense to me. You are letting Victoria 9's hype grow cold because you will not show us anything.
What Outrider Said
And I wasn't asking for finish product looking Daz Sale Page ads, I would think that "Daz" would want every PA that is working on -something G9- to have a thread going in the... Forum that is.. you know, specifically created for showing off new/up-coming products
Daz PA Commercial Products
Again, the marketing side would want the Buzz to keep going, hell, the GF9 cat is already out of the bag.
Its funny the things that Daz DOES decide to do to help sales (break sets up into individual pieces, go all-in on NFTs etc etc) but the most basic things, like energizing their core base of purchasers on the "Daz3d FORUM".... well.... not so much.
I (probably) misinterpreted your question as genuine curiosity about what would lead a company to make a choice that doesn't seem to have any obvious benefit to them, so that's why I commented with an example of why it might not actually have any benefit or any logic behind it beyond circumstance and people having to choose between what would be ideal for promoting the product and whatever other priority is on their radar. Because that happens a lot! Like I said, what I think is most likely is that there's nothing else they can give us to create the almighty hype that would make any measurable difference to sales either way, and that they're at the point where the best way to answer questions about the figure is for people to get their hands on it. But that's also me assuming a level of conscious planning rather than careening from fire to fire trying to get the thing out the door on schedule, which also happens a lot in many tech situations. Who knows? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think it's weird that they didn't post all the information about the figure functionality as soon as they announced it, and IMO that would have been a good thing to do, but this is a company that has never made what I would consider a normal marketing decision in the time I've been using the program. I could not tell you who their ideal user is or who they're trying to reach. I'm always kind of surprised when they give advance information about anything at all, because usually they don't. I think it's especially weird that they haven't talked about what's in the bundle they're preselling, but they appear to be really enthused about Surprise Purchases lately and for all I know enough people bought the pass thing that it makes sense by their metrics. They're gonna do what they're gonna do, which seems to be pretty common for niche software development companies that have been around since the Ice Age (looking at you, Dragon Naturally Speaking).
More on topic: I think Jay answered the gens question on the latest stream; he mentioned Catty's bundle as an example and said both are included.
What are you looking for? Why would you need it? What would you get out of it? What purpose would it serve for you or for that matter me if that were directed at me?
This statement amuses me.
I'm working on a G9 corgi person.
So there, tantalized! WOOOO!
One thing I'm doing a little differently is that the teeth are more realistically like a dog's teeth than I've done in the past.
I think I might be more amused, that you are amused.
But OK I'll bite.
See, you have Businesses. These generally exist to generate money, and usually take the form of a Sole Proprietorship, Partnership, Limited Liability Company, or Corporation. The idea is that they generate money for those who work for them, and in cases of corporations, shareholders as well.
Businesses can "sell" a lot of different things to generate that money. Some sell physical products. Some sell services, But even others, like Tafi, sell Digital Assets that don't really exist as a physical product like say, a toaster, but fall into another product category called "software".
So if you are with me so far, You have a business (Tafi) that owns a computer program (DazStudio), that makes its money by selling those Digital Assets mentioned above.
Marketing, is a tool that businesses use to get people, or in this case, potential customers, to buy the items that they are selling.
Let us use Daz's own Genesis 9 Figures series as the example. Tafi wants to make more money, so they create a product... Victoria 9 and want to sell her. We don't know about her so they have to market her. They may come up with some sort of jaw dropping advertisement to let the folks that might be interested in Victoria know about it. If it is a really neat product, the people that see the advertisement might talk about it with other enthusiasts that don't know about it. Some businesspeople call this "talk" that potential customers have about their products, "Buzz".
Remember, if your goal is to make money, having a lot of "Buzz" about the things you want to sell is considered helpful because the more buzz that surrounds those products, the greater chance that you have of selling MORE of those products.
I really hope that helped inception8. There were some really big concepts that I tried to break down into easily digestible pieces. But if you want more in depth information on why a business would want to market, advertise and sell products to generate money, here are some links you can follow
What is a Business?
Marketing 101: The Basics Every Business Owner Should Know
What is Buzz Marketing?
So, now, I'll try again, and it might make more sense...
I would have thought there would be some teaser threads from PAs about the cool Gen 9 stuff they have been working on....
(Because this creates interest in products that you are trying to sell... For Tafi/Daz AND the PAs)
Has Daz required Radio Silence? I would have thought they would want a bit more buzz building up
(Is Daz requiring its PAs NOT to talk about their products? This prevents them from generating interest in their products... Hmm, this would seem to go against basic business strategy...)
Oso3D
Sounds neat! You make some really incredible assets, can't wait to see this one (and best of luck!)
That sounds awesome, can't wait to see it!
But will it have stubby legs?
The other day, the Victoria 9 HD Bundle has been renamed to Victoria 9 HD Intro Bundle listing 7 products in the bundle.
Genesis 2, 3, & 8 all dropped out of nowhere into the store with no hype. We kind of expected 8 because we had observed a previous 2 year cycle. This time we were given a heads up, shown videos, promos, and given a long time to purchase in advance in case we might need to save up but still catch the intro sale price.
Hivewire3D fans have been waiting over two years for Dawn/Dusk 2.0; so, this wait is almost no wait at all.
Much smaller team over at Hivewire which would explain the ability to do things more quickly over here. Personally I'm looking forward to both Genesis 9 and Dawn 2. I just hope they don't drop at the same time....
So the most important question regarding a G9 corgi mesh would be -- does it have nipples? And if so, how many?
You're being way way way too literal man.
I'm amused because I'm cryptic on purpose.
Ya didn't have to read me the golden rules. (Edit: But I appreciate that you felt it necessary to dictate all that too me.)
THIS.
Do you own any of my products Chumly?