New Product Title Conventions? RESOLVED
Phatmartino
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Are we seriously going to lose all previous Product Title conventions, like Hair and Clothing without the compatible/intended figure (Genesis 9) in the Title, Pose packs that don't say anything about the fact that it's a Pose pack in the title, etc. This is really going to limit my interest in shopping here even more than has recently been the case. Looking at the last dozen or so releases, I'd have to go into the product page for at least half of them just to find out what the product even is and/or to confirm that it's only for Genesis 9. Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
EDIT: I never really paid attention to the Icons underneath, which should do the job, but they're as broken and unreliable as most other aspects of the shop's UI. At least a few out of a small number so far that are clothing products don't have the clothing icon underneath. That doesn't give me much confidence in beginning to rely on those icons if that's the intent.
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I don't think there were ever actual naming conventions.
But yes, from what I've read in the sales thread they apparently want to use the icons rather than putting everything in the title.
Makes shopping sooo much easier for me, by just making me buy nothing.
My first reaction to this is we are moving back to pre-literacy days. Shops only identified by signage outside, like a pig, that you have to be in the know means meat market.
That... ain't good. Store aside, I use the naming as sorting criteria during installation. Makes things soooo much easier if they remove the name reference.
Sigh DIM would be a nightmare without the Generation in the Name
I agree it's a bad idea, icons on product pages are totally useless when you want to filter items in your Product library or in DIM.
Exactly. Ihave been installing my library into a new computer in a measured way and a search on 'hair' doesn't find 'braid' or 'updo'.
And to add to my fun on my MacBookPro, I can't do more than one word in the search bar. I am now going through my 11,000+ items in A-Z order and am in the middle of the Ns.
Very long product names can be an issue with content folder names, especially if installing through Connect, so they may be trying to trim them to make them more manageable (may, that is me adding one over there and one over here to get two and may not be at all correct).
That sounds like a very plausible reason, though just off the top of my head I can think of several solutions that aren't this, and those in power whose livelyhoods depend on this store being as successful as possible couldn't think of any? It also seems like this is specifically Genesis 9 products. Among the newest releases is "Chasing Summer II dForce Outfit for Genesis 8.1 Males". I love that title, I can read it and have a great idea along with the promo image of exactly what the product is. Same for in DIM and my Runtime. When I see "Z Summer Fun Time", that makes me want to move on, I'm not interested in investigating to find out what the heck it is and I don't want that littering my PC anyway.
My condolences to those who are actually interested in G9 <- (that's pretty concise, yeah? Would only add 2 characters to a file path) and are going to wade into this mess.
They can't rename older products, but they can implement the change going forward.
Just so I understand, your meaning of "going forward" is just the Genesis 9 new releases? My point was that it looks as though Genesis 8/8.1 new releases will continue to have "problematically long titles".
I hate to be negative. At all. I don't want to be negative. The main reason I interact with the forum is to learn new things and in the very few instances I can be helpful, to do so. It's just really frustrating that the Daz store has always had so many organizational problems that VASTLY limit users abilities to navigate and find all this amazing stuff in the store to begin with, not to mention the crazy out of control mess that that the small percentage you're able to find and purchase creates in your runtime/content library, and it looks to be about to get much worse. Just seems so silly and un-professional.
This wouldn't be an issue if Daz allowed the abbreviations common among users, namely G8F, G8M, etc.
Or, it could have something to do with DAZ's apparent desire to no longer use the terms "male" and "female" to describe anything. And before anybody jumps all over me for speculating, this can already be seen in the naming conventions for the G9 poses, shapes, materials, etc. (masculine and feminine).
- Greg
Agreed Sevrin, that's a simple solution and I can't see how whatever reasoning they've had in the past to not allow it, could outweigh the problems that overlooking such a simple solution are going to create moving forward.
Also, R&T is exactly right, when I search for cheap/on sale things and filter by price low to high, I've always just skipped past the products that don't mention the Genesis figure in the title because I know they're massively outdated. This just seems like more confusion that is going to lose Daz a lot of possible sales.
I know they're still going to make heaps of money as always, they just don't seem to get that it could be so much more via lack of confusion and users just being much happier and having a more enjoyable and EFFECTIVE experience shopping here.
Also, my apologies, Mr. Haseltine, I don't mean to direct my frustration toward you, though I'm positive you have to be completely used to it, it's not meant that way, you're an absolute gem who's knowledge this community almost couldn't do without, considering you are basically the user manual. My hat's off to you and all that you do.
I don't know exactly, it may be that they will keep saying 8 (or earlier) for cnsistency but it may also be that the 8 products have been in train for longer.
I really don't mind Daz wanting to go for shorter product names, leaving out things like Genesis and dForce for example. Those things should be part of compatibility and descriptions. Unfortunately that's where the intentions fail, since Daz, Daz QA and PAs are often terrible at making sure a product is correct categorized, descriptive enough of the product and is able to answer the basic questions of a potential buyer.
This definitely increases the odds that I'll skip past something because I guess wrong about what sort of thing it is. Just today, I assumed that "Mango Movement Collection" was either pose or animation related.
I really dislike the "old" naming style. especially the dForce mess. So I welcome a new approach.
I was apparently seeing doom and gloom for no reason at all! They seem to have gone back and added Genesis 9 to all the recently released products!
I'm pretty much positive no one with the power to do anything saw this thread or would worry about what it said, so it must have been a mistake of some kind with the first releases. So happy, sorry to cause any bother.