I'm Looking to Upgrade My GTX 1080, Any Suggestions?
Uthgard
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Well, Black Friday is upon us, and I've had this graphic card for a while. It does its job, but renders take so long it's sheer agony to try to do a few tests before doing something big, so I'm kinda wondering what, if anything, I should get now that we're finally past the crypto sabotage of stock and prizes.
The problem is that I don't have too much to spare, so changing my power supply (a Cooler Master G750M 750W 80 Plus Bronze Modular) and motherboard (a Gigabyte Z97X-UD3H) are kind of non-starters, so... is there anything worth the hassle? I've been thinking about the RTX 3060 because of the 12 GBs of VRAM, but if the performance is about the same (or is actually incompatible with my motherboard), it doesn't seem like that much of an improvement. Any suggestions would be appreciated, seeing as I don't know what I'm doing, so, thanks!
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The rendering speed of the 3060 12GB is about the same as 2080ti.
Complete system spec, please. Like what type of PCIe slot and version (e.g., PCIe 3.0) An Rtx 3060 will run on a PCIe 2 but slow. I just gave on to a guy running a PCIe 2.0 Rtx 3060 12Gb. Power supply, Memory, and CPU
Huh. Thanks for telling me that; the benchmarks seemed to indicate it was about on par with the 1080 (which seemed really weird to me).
Power supply: 750W.
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0Ghz.
RAM: 32 GB DDR3.
PCIe: if I'm understanding this correctly, it's PCI express with no number after it (the first one, I'm guessing).
Thank you for your help.
Just about any RTX will run in your system.
Also might keep an eye out here Pay it Forward Daz3d Style - Page 5 - Daz 3D Forums
Which benchmark did you look? There is only one for Iray rendering
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/341041/daz-studio-iray-rendering-hardware-benchmarking
Thanks for the reassurances and the suggestion, but I think the cost of sending something where I live is prohibitive enough that I can't take advantage of the forum's generosity. The one time I bought something from the USA, shipment and customs were more expensive than the item in question.
Right. I was looking for a comparison between the two cards and didn't find this thread (nor anything really Iray-related). Thank you very much; I'll take a look. That 3060 is looking better by the minute.
I'd look into getting the most VRAM in the 3XXX series you can afford within the limitations of your 750 watt PSU.
Thanks. Yes, that's also kind of why I'm thinking about the 3060. The next card that has 12 GB is the 3080, and that's at triple the price. Honestly, if I could pay that much, I'd get something from the 4XXX series.
A 3060 draws 170 watts; your CPU draws 88 watts; memory, Motherboard, etc., etc., will draw power. You will be happy to know your Motherboard supports PCIe 3.0
I'm personally going to avoid the 4XXX series until they figure out that horrid little plug. Too much risk based on the videos I'm seeing from JayzTwoCents and GamersNexus. One can only hope they'll have that figured out by the 5XXX series, or gone back to what they were using before. I'm so happy I have my EVGA 3090...my last EVGA *sniffles*.
I had a 4790k and a 2080ti drawing upper 200s watts running happily on a good quality 550w PSU. The 750 won't be an issue.
I've been searching for systems when I realized the cost of the 3000 series cards was nearly as much as a complete system, especially 3080 and up, and if you end up having to replace power supply and half your computer anyway. I was looking at 1st at the 3060/3060Ti, but then my son, who knows more than me, suggested 3080 and above, ainly to stay above the curve for awhile. He aslo stated there are articles stating there are a lot of suspect cloned 3070 Ti units floating around.
The 3060Ti and 3070/3070Ti are not a good choice because they have only 8GB's of VRAM, which has lately become the practical minimum for Iray rendering in DS.
My system. Recommends PSU Wattage of 563 W. I have a thousand-watt PSU. So I kind future proofed my system. I am certain that I can add all kinds of hardware.
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Thank you for your suggestions and support, everyone. I finally went ahead and got a 3060, and I did a test that was slightly disappointing. I rerendered a scene that took me two and a half hours with the 1080, and it ended up taking one hour and fourteen minutes with the 3060. I was trying to convince myself that doubling the performance wasn't that bad, and then my dumbass self thought to check the iterations, and the 1080 only got to about 500 iterations before calling it quits, which the 3060 managed to reach in slightly more than eight minutes.
So, the card is about twenty times faster and has 150% the VRAM. I'm now officially happy with the purchase.
If you're happy with the speed gains of a single 3060, you'll absolutely love the speed gains of rendering with two. I'm rendering with two 3060s and it effectively halves the rendering time, so if you can ever get another later on, it'll be absolutely worth it. I am also using an integrated GPU (via an AMD 7950X CPU) to run Windows, so I can get the maximum out of the 3060's 12GB VRAM. The price of all the other NVIDIA cards are too outrageous to justify, but a pair of 3060s is great for rendering and 12GB is more than adequate for most scenes.
Nothing wrong with having some overhead, leaves future options open. I think a lot of people would be surprised what a decent PSU will cope with as a lot of recomendations have to err on the side of caution because there are some poor quality units about, even from well known suppliers.
That said I've just managed to get a newer version of my 550 in the sales. 850w, 20mm shorter and pin compatible with the old cables. That give's me lots of options for upgrading or swapping parts about and it was the first time I've seen a decent discount on them.
I don't know what happened, but 3060s dropped to $339 this morning. I've been watching every day and they were $30 more expensive yesterday. I think it's finally time for me to upgrade.
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/video-card/#sort=price&c=499
Edit: Also, is that Newegg boycott (from the Gamers Nexus incident) still going on? Or was it ever really a thing?
From now to Cyber Monday is the best time to get the biggest discounts on "prior generation" hardware of all types. If you wait until Dec 1st the prices will go back up in my limited experience.
Wow, I didn't realize we were that close to Thanksgiving. The latest rumor I heard is the 4060 will launch "by July", so I might as well grab a 3060 now.
I use 3060 12 GB
Is it enough?
Well... depends if you just one frame renderer, it should be enough.
But if you make a project like a Visual Comic which willl require you make hundreds of renders.
It would be nice if you could lay your hand on faster GPU.
Simple renderer in daylilght two genesis 8 with a room and objects,1920x1080, might cost you 20-30 minutes per image with decent quality.
Now you can imagine how many renders can you produce in a day. Including mistakes and time for posing.
Not many.
How about darker scene like at night. It will be longer.
I guess this is something for you guys to consider. What do you use it DAZ3d for.
Then you can make a decission to buy 3060 or higher GPU.
You can run out of that 12GB VRAM. It will Jump up to the CPU at or around 11.5 GBs. So don't go crazy with SubD. That will make it jump to the CPU.
I did this scene on a 3060 12GB
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I thought about getting a 3090 or 4080 16Gb, but it's just not worth it for me. I don't do a ton of rendering anymore, so 12 Gb is fine for DS, Blender and Stable Diffusion for me.
Besides, I never upgraded from Genesis 3, so I don't use a ton of VRAM. I started out with a 1 Gb 460, so I learned to be pretty frugal with VRAM over the years.
It will be a nice performance jump going from a 1080ti to the 3060, but mostly I know Pascal is coming to end-of-life sooner or later and I don't want to be stuck having to upgrade later if prices become inflated again. Prices could drop another 10-20% from here, but they could also rise 100% or more if another cryptocoin becomes the new hot thing.
Pretty much anything from the 3000 series should be better, but as others have said, what's you specs as you system might not support what you decide to buy.
You may have been looking at gaming benchmarks. It's better to look at the Blender benchmarks https://opendata.blender.org/benchmarks/query/?device_name=NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080&device_name=NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060&compute_type=OPTIX&compute_type=CUDA&blender_version=3.3.0&group_by=device_name
Blender (Cycles render engine) is slightly different from Iray, of course, but the relative performance between the cards is still accurate. Long story short, the 3060 is about 4 times as fast as the 1080. RTX cores make the difference.
But yes, in gaming, the 3060 is around 1080/1080ti level.
Thank you for the link. I just ordered a pair of 3060s to replace my 1080ti.
I average 5 images a day, (1440 X 1200, about 1 hour each) what kind of
speed improvement do you think that will get me?
I forget the system specs, but it has 64G RAM, PCI 3, Studio 4.12 and Win7 Pro.
I'll use the 1080ti in my backup computer and store the 980ti, just in case.
I just hope NewEgg ships with UPS, they don't specify before you order
and the Post Office doesn't deliver to my house, UPS does.
I get roughly double the speed of my 1080ti in the benchmark, but in normal renders, it's a little faster, depending on how complex the scene is.
The additional bonus is that it's smaller and lighter than my other card and only takes one 8 pin connector.