G9 Gender Confusion

bradassociates

The new Gen 9 products are confusing me, and I would appreciate clarification on products and how they relate to gender.  I realize the original Genesis characters began with a base character that was gender neutral, but I understand that was due to the rigging and morphs evolving into the later versions.   The new Gen9 products are both divided into genders as well as gender neutral with such things as hair products and cltohing being labeled "unisex".

One specific item are the new poses, such as the Zeddicus products.   They sometimes come with two or three different gender classifications.  One is simply called "Base", which then comes with a second folder of the same poses titled "Base Feminine".  Others have "Base Masculine" and "Base Feminine" but no folder that has a masculine identification.    But other pose products, which also uses the term "Base" comes with a "Base Masculine" and "Base Feminine".  What is "Base" and why is that term included when there are multiple gender pose folders?

Lastly, are there real character morph/design benefits by going back to the original gender neutraility of Genesis, or was this an effort to adjust Daz characters to the increasingly sensitive political climate that eschews the concept of gender?

Thanks in advance for any clarification you can provide.

 

Leana

Lastly, are there real character morph/design benefits between the attempt to go back to gender neutraility, or was this an effort to adjust Daz characters to the sensitivities of the changing political climate?

There are actual benefits to having a single figure. For example, all morphs can be mixed. Want to create siblings which look like each other? You can start from the same character morph and adjust it to create male and female versions. Have a cool creature where you want a male and female version? Again, a few dial spins and you get that.

Moreover, clothes will now fit both genders without the need for conversion. Whether the style of a specific item fits both is another question, but still it makes sharing clothes easier, which can be useful if you want matching uniforms, or if a specific type of clothing you need only existed for the other figure previously.

Basically, it gives you more versatility.

bradassociates

Leana said:

Lastly, are there real character morph/design benefits between the attempt to go back to gender neutraility, or was this an effort to adjust Daz characters to the sensitivities of the changing political climate?

There are actual benefits to having a single figure. For example, all morphs can be mixed. Want to create siblings which look like each other? You can start from the same character morph and adjust it to create male and female versions. Have a cool creature where you want a male and female version? Again, a few dial spins and you get that.

Moreover, clothes will now fit both genders without the need for conversion. Whether the style of a specific item fits both is another question, but still it makes sharing clothes easier, which can be useful if you want matching uniforms, or if a specific type of clothing you need only existed for the other figure previously.

Basically, it gives you more versatility.

Got it, that makes sense.  Thanks for the clarification.

I'm still wondering about the "base" descriptive used in poses, and why they use it as both a standalone naming as well as associating it with gender.  If anyone knows?...

murgatroyd314

"Base" is used for poses which were built on the unmorphed G9 figure. "Base Masculine" and "Base Feminine" are for poses (or variants of poses) built on the morphs with those names, which have slightly different proportions than the unmorphed base figure. For instance, a hand-on-hip pose may need to have slightly different arm positions for the different shapes, in order to have the hand exactly on the hip instead of an inch away, or an inch into the body.

nemesis10

One place where an clarification is needed is some poses have different poses for base masculine vs michael 9 or simple base since their proportions are different: https://www.daz3d.com/masculine-poses-for-genesis-9

bradassociates

murgatroyd314 said:

"Base" is used for poses which were built on the unmorphed G9 figure. "Base Masculine" and "Base Feminine" are for poses (or variants of poses) built on the morphs with those names, which have slightly different proportions than the unmorphed base figure. For instance, a hand-on-hip pose may need to have slightly different arm positions for the different shapes, in order to have the hand exactly on the hip instead of an inch away, or an inch into the body.

Thanks for the clarification