Genesis 8.1 and 9 why?

Anarkia333Anarkia333 Posts: 104
edited November 2022 in The Commons

Hi :)

I am User DAZ since more 10years....

Genesis 2 to 3 and 8 was very nice, a big gap. But G8.1 is just difficult to render, 24go memory is needed and 60Go RAM with Dforce Hair, G9 is in 8k in promotion, I see 4k, identical to G8, soo; why???

Why new? Standart Item as Cloth and other need 2/3 years for to have many choice, now it is very difficult for all.. Soo can you STOP devellop G newx for nothing? No one use G9 an G8.1 is probelm for memory...

Wait, and make G10 with bog evolution, impossible to see difference with G8, G8.1 and G9, just many many problem compatibility and bug everywhere...

After G9.1? G9.2?G9.3?G9.4?G9.5?G9.6?G9.24524514?

All with bug, big memory 666666Go VRAm and imcopatible??? STOP pls

LAST warning after all people just will go to see other sofware....

G8 and G9 are identical at 100% in render guy!!!!

You have no concurent, soo why speed as that? Delete juste G8.1 and G9, take time, afetr make TRUE G9 with evolution, but stop make NEW all time you male one evolution, new eyes G8.1, new feet G8.2...

Anatomy is same G9 or G8, feet is same and bad...Soo why make new if all problem is same. More problem compatiblité everywhere? For buy all New...??? just people now use Crack version for all your product... Nice DAZ in begin, now just here for money, don't care people....

Thx

Post edited by Richard Haseltine on

Comments

  • Willy2Willy2 Posts: 177

    G9 products are starting to be released. The take-off will be as gradual as it was for G8.
    We did not have time to familiarise ourselves with G8.1, as G9 was released shortly afterwards.
    As far as the differences between G8 and G9 are concerned, they are mostly noticeable for facial expressions (the plasticity of the mesh in G9 is much better than in G8).
    Also, making an identical mesh for men and women is a great idea.
    Be patient, and you'll eventually recognize that G9 is a real breakthrough.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,171

    Anarkia333 said:

    Hi :)

    I am User DAZ since more 10years....

    Genesis 2 to 3 and 8 was very nice, a big gap. But G8.1 is just difficult to render, 24go memory is needed and 60Go RAM with Dforce Hair, G9 is in 8k in promotion, I see 4k, identical to G8, soo; why???

    There's nothing about 8.1 that's more "difficult" to render than 8. If you don't like the PBRSkin shader, 8.1 has 8 UVs, so you can just use 8 skins with the Uber shader, or convert 8.1 skins to Uber. You're wildly overexaggerating about resource requirements.

    Why new? Standart Item as Cloth and other need 2/3 years for to have many choice, now it is very difficult for all.. Soo can you STOP devellop G newx for nothing? No one use G9 an G8.1 is probelm for memory...

    Plenty of people use G9, and it's new, so more people will use it as time goes on. Plenty of people like and use 8.1.

    Wait, and make G10 with bog evolution, impossible to see difference with G8, G8.1 and G9, just many many problem compatibility and bug everywhere...

    After G9.1? G9.2?G9.3?G9.4?G9.5?G9.6?G9.24524514?

    All with bug, big memory 666666Go VRAm and imcopatible??? STOP pls

    You know you don't have to use G9 if you don't want to, right? G9 does provide advantages over previous generations, whether or not you understand or appreciate those advantages.

    LAST warning after all people just will go to see other sofware....

    Software isn't relevant, because content is Daz's primary business. I've been working on a long-form project using 8.1 figures in C4D, and now I'm experimenting with G9 in C4D. I barely touch DS anymore, but I use Daz content all the time.

    G8 and G9 are identical at 100% in render guy!!!!

    They're not. Again, whether you notice the difference is only relevant to you.

    It is commercial!!! Buy new all again, after G9.1, G10 with just one new thing, rebuy all!

    Probably new concurent will come and al lpeople go on other, DAZ is now 100% money money money. Rebuy all each years....

    Man G9.1 will come in 3 month may be, 6month G10, after G10.1... Time to recognize nothing no time.... Rebuy all again each month...

    People want STANDARD, DAZ want money, not compatible...

    This is an especially insane argument to make considering that more than half of the time you've been using Daz, G8 was the current figure. Before G8, a new generation came out roughly every two years. 

  • Anarkia333Anarkia333 Posts: 104
    edited November 2022

    Gordig said:

    Anarkia333 said:

    Hi :)

    I am User DAZ since more 10years....

    Genesis 2 to 3 and 8 was very nice, a big gap. But G8.1 is just difficult to render, 24go memory is needed and 60Go RAM with Dforce Hair, G9 is in 8k in promotion, I see 4k, identical to G8, soo; why???

    There's nothing about 8.1 that's more "difficult" to render than 8. If you don't like the PBRSkin shader, 8.1 has 8 UVs, so you can just use 8 skins with the Uber shader, or convert 8.1 skins to Uber. You're wildly overexaggerating about resource requirements.

    Why new? Standart Item as Cloth and other need 2/3 years for to have many choice, now it is very difficult for all.. Soo can you STOP devellop G newx for nothing? No one use G9 an G8.1 is probelm for memory...

    Plenty of people use G9, and it's new, so more people will use it as time goes on. Plenty of people like and use 8.1.

    Wait, and make G10 with bog evolution, impossible to see difference with G8, G8.1 and G9, just many many problem compatibility and bug everywhere...

    After G9.1? G9.2?G9.3?G9.4?G9.5?G9.6?G9.24524514?

    All with bug, big memory 666666Go VRAm and imcopatible??? STOP pls

    You know you don't have to use G9 if you don't want to, right? G9 does provide advantages over previous generations, whether or not you understand or appreciate those advantages.

    LAST warning after all people just will go to see other sofware....

    Software isn't relevant, because content is Daz's primary business. I've been working on a long-form project using 8.1 figures in C4D, and now I'm experimenting with G9 in C4D. I barely touch DS anymore, but I use Daz content all the time.

    G8 and G9 are identical at 100% in render guy!!!!

    They're not. Again, whether you notice the difference is only relevant to you.

    It is commercial!!! Buy new all again, after G9.1, G10 with just one new thing, rebuy all!

    Probably new concurent will come and al lpeople go on other, DAZ is now 100% money money money. Rebuy all each years....

    Man G9.1 will come in 3 month may be, 6month G10, after G10.1... Time to recognize nothing no time.... Rebuy all again each month...

    People want STANDARD, DAZ want money, not compatible...

    This is an especially insane argument to make considering that more than half of the time you've been using Daz, G8 was the current figure. Before G8, a new generation came out roughly every two years. 

     

    Your render is simply man, seem Render 2010 no more, normaly you not see the powerful needed for make nice render....

    Try put 3 G8.1 and 3 G8 in one scene, render, impossible with G8.1 in 4k, 24go VRAM is needed, just black screen, now try 1 G8.1 and 1 Hair Dforce, see RAM needed... About 50Go.

    Make Render 2022 with 4k texture, no 512*512 with Engine Render 1999....

     

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  • Willy2Willy2 Posts: 177

    G9 is a  a true technological innovation, even if some users aren't yet convinced. To stay in the race, DAZ had to evolve his character. Take a look in Second Life at the quality of avatars and you will be forced to see that 3D has made spectacular progress on other platforms.

    In addition, G8 characters can be migrated to G9 by following the procedure proposed by Verluis.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jROlY34tNNU

    Regarding the price of DAZ characters, they are relatively inexpensive compared to other platforms. And don't forget that DazStudio is totally free, which is not the case with Poser, which also requires even more resources (as a former Poser user and I'm in a good position to talk about this)

    Finally, we don't make 3D with desktop computers. Even if you don't need an i9 processor or an RTX graphics card, you need a computer powerful enough to render in acceptable times.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    To answer the OP's question.

    It was a business decission IMO.

    However, the features that G9 offers are down to individuals to determine if they are a benefit or otherwise. For me, I largely like what G9 offers and have moved over, but I have lots of old content that contunues to be useful.

  • Moved to the Commons as it is not a Daz Studio topic and closed as there are already many theads on Genesis 9.

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