Windows 11 working OK for you?

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  • PerttiA said:

    daveso said:

    I heard the pro version of 11 allows delay on updates. W10 updates at least once a month anyway, so nothing changing there really,

    But no option to deny any and all updates for ever. 

    Sure there is. Disconnect your computer from the internet forever. yes

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    ...I also still have my old Office 2000 which runs fine on W7.  I never liked what they did with it when they released Word 2006 which introduced that ridiculous ribbon concept that took up about a third of the screen space (I never work in full screen mode).  Again it was a situation where nothing was broken until they "fixed" it. Unfortunately W11 does not support older software so I have to go with Open Office instead. 

    For myself I'm on a budget so renting cloud space is not an option.   I have a 4 TB physical backup.  I'm also particularly apprehensive of leaving certain works on others' servers, particularly a company that has a big Day-Glo™ bulls eye on it for hackers.  This is also why I would turn off all telemetry.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    zombietaggerung said:

    PerttiA said:

    daveso said:

    I heard the pro version of 11 allows delay on updates. W10 updates at least once a month anyway, so nothing changing there really,

    But no option to deny any and all updates for ever. 

    Sure there is. Disconnect your computer from the internet forever. yes

    That I can do with W7 too, don't need W10/W11 for that wink

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    kyoto kid said:

    ...I also still have my old Office 2000 which runs fine on W7.  I never liked what they did with it when they released Word 2006 which introduced that ridiculous ribbon concept that took up about a third of the screen space (I never work in full screen mode).  Again it was a situation where nothing was broken until they "fixed" it. Unfortunately W11 does not support older software so I have to go with Open Office instead. 

    MS Office was still ok up to 2010, but after that they made Excel open all the files in their own instance and cascading every window... I was cursing our IT to the deepest and hottest pit there is until they brought me a third monitor to run Excel alone in full screen.

    Libre Office is IMHO better than Open Office

  • Kev914Kev914 Posts: 1,115
    edited December 2022

    If you search the internet, you can find instructions to disable Windows Updates in 11, but they involve editing the group policy and the registry. So it sounds like it's possible. But I've never tried it.

    As for Windows updates, I've never had the PC just install the updates and then reboot.automatically. They put a little icon on the task bar that says updates are ready to install and to choose a time. I think it has a default time sometime during the night, so I suppose if you leave your PC on all night, then it might reboot in the middle of a render. But I've never had to leave it on all night.

    As for the BIOS updates, I'm not sure if different manufacturers handle it differently, because I have seen reports of people saying their PC is suddenly installing a BIOS update. But that's not how it happens on my Dell PC. The BIOS update is in two parts. There's the standard BIOS update that you download from Dell and you have to installed from the executable or let the SupportAssistant do it. Windows does not install that part. You have to do it. Then there is the FIRMWARE part and windows can and will install that. 

    I can install a BIOS update...say it is version 2.9. When the PC boots up, I can go into the Device Manager and check the FIRMWARE and it will still be at 2.8. Seems like it takes a couple weeks for windows to get the FIRMWARE update. At that point you can install it, or windows will. I alwasy seem to have boot problems when they do it, so I always try to do it before they can.

    If I don't check for BIOS updates and there is one...say version 2.10, windows will install the FIRMWARE 2.10 update when it is available  even though I haven't updated the BIOS part. That causes boot issues as well.

    The boot issue: The PC will start to boot and then stop at a blank screen and I have to force a reboot or it will start up and then shut down and then restart again, and then it will come up normally. Then I can go and install the FIRMWARE update and that has always fixed it so far. If I don't install the FIRMWARE update, it will keep doing that behavior. That's how I found out windows was doing FIREWARE updates. I think maybe windows is trying to install the FIRMARE update during the boot and can't. (Maybe winodws is suppose to install the entire BIOS but that isn't what happens with my PC.)

    Windows was doing BIOS updates on Version 10 too. if you had the feature update. I think that's how it works.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    KevinH said:

    If you search the internet, you can find instructions to disable Windows Updates in 11, but they involve editing the group policy and the registry. So it sounds like it's possible. But I've never tried it.

    As for Windows updates, I've never had the PC just install the updates and then reboot.automatically. They put a little icon on the task bar that says updates are ready to install and to choose a time. I think it has a default time sometime during the night, so I suppose if you leave your PC on all night, then it might reboot in the middle of a render. But I've never had to leave it on all night.

    As for the BIOS updates, I'm not sure if different manufacturers handle it differently, because I have seen reports of people saying their PC is suddenly installing a BIOS update. But that's not how it happens on my Dell PC. The BIOS update is in two parts. There's the standard BIOS update that you download from Dell and you have to installed from the executable or let the SupportAssistant do it. Windows does not install that part. You have to do it. Then there is the FIRMWARE part and windows can and will install that. 

    I can install a BIOS update...say it is version 2.9. When the PC boots up, I can go into the Device Manager and check the FIRMWARE and it will still be at 2.8. Seems like it takes a couple weeks for windows to get the FIRMWARE update. At that point you can install it, or windows will. I alwasy seem to have boot problems when they do it, so I always try to do it before they can.

    If I don't check for BIOS updates and there is one...say version 2.10, windows will install the FIRMWARE 2.10 update when it is available  even though I haven't updated the BIOS part. That causes boot issues as well.

    The boot issue: The PC will start to boot and then stop at a blank screen and I have to force a reboot or it will start up and then shut down and then restart again, and then it will come up normally. Then I can go and install the FIRMWARE update and that has always fixed it so far. If I don't install the FIRMWARE update, it will keep doing that behavior. That's how I found out windows was doing FIREWARE updates. I think maybe windows is trying to install the FIRMARE update during the boot and can't. (Maybe winodws is suppose to install the entire BIOS but that isn't what happens with my PC.)

    Windows was doing BIOS updates on Version 10 too. if you had the feature update. I think that's how it works.

    ...I never had a BIOS update on W7 from MS so it sounds like something introduced with 10.  Again I don't care for MS (or anyone) meddling with and making changes to my system without my permission particularly when it comes to the BIOS which should only be the responsibility of the MB maker.

  • daveso said:

    I heard the pro version of 11 allows delay on updates. W10 updates at least once a month anyway, so nothing changing there really, although I have it set to no auto updates. 
    As far as Edge, it is way better than ot used to be. I like it overall. Its based on Chrome so is more compatible. I do use Opera as my default browser though. 

    The main reason I went with the pro-version is that the home edition forces you to use an online microsoft account during installation, that is not something I want. They already know enough about me, no reason to make it any easier. If it weren't for Daz Studio and my music applications, I would've been 100% on linux already.

  • kyoto kid said:

    Just like with device drivers, i go directly to the manufacturer's site for updates instead of trusting MS to do it (that was an issue with 10 in the early days as they kept auto replacing current Nvidia drivers with buggy ones resulting in BSODs and other issues).

    Technically it's still happening, it's just not directly resulting in BSOD in my experience, at least on W10. I had updates install a month or so ago, and they included an nVidia driver update... and my "Cambot" (computer I use for streaming pinball) had Open Broadcaster Software refuse to launch because it could no longer address the 1050ti. So I went and did the whole "directly download and install myself" driver update process on the three computers it's critical on - "Cambot", the virtual pinball machine (2060) and my "Battlestation" where I render (3060). I figured I was going to have issues with at least one other of those with the update, if not both, and it was just safest to do the rounds and be done with it.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    ...my concern is after installing a newer bug free driver manually, the next update (and again, MS said they will send feature updates for 11 out "whenever") replaces it with the bad one again. 

    This is why I don't like "force fed" updating.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,288
    edited December 2022

    I did the monthly subscription to Office 365 too although I don't use any of it much. I also still have my Office 2016 Professional for Windows & Mac but they are both not installed because the Office 365 sub lets me install on my Mac, PC, and mobile devices no problem and no extra charge.

    I can't complain about Windows 11 or Office 365 at all, or too much.

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200
    edited December 2022

    ...well looks like Nvidia not Daz is the one forcing the hand.  According to the latest beta thread, the minimum driver for Iray GPU rendering is 516  which doesn't support W7. I Didn't think it would happen so quick particularly before the release of Daz5 which is based on Qt6 (that no longer supports anything below W10).

    Not going to go back to glacial render times.so for the time being just going to stay with the 4.21.05 General Release. 

    I don't care for an OS that thoiws a tonne of useless fluff at my system I don't need or want.  One that forces even more of it on my system whenever MS sishes whether I want it or not. One that messes around with settings on my system without my permission (like the forced BIOS updates, not thrilled about one of those having a bug).  This is why I stayed with W7 as long as I have.

    Not very pleased about this and not sure where the funds to upgrade are going to come ffrom short of a moderate windfall.

    Apologies but I've long been an adherent of the "K.I.S.S principle". 

    I'll need to think this over. for a bit.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited December 2022

    I didn't try it yet but there are articles about issues with 22H2 and Nvidia.

     

    Windows 12 will may be released in 2024 so I will do same as I did before : XP -> Vista (skipped) -> 7 -> 8 (skipped) -> 10 -> 11 (skipped) -> 12

    Windows 10 would remain supported until October 14, 2025.

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  • BlueFingersBlueFingers Posts: 904
    edited December 2022

    Noah LGP said:

    I didn't try it yet but there are articles about issues with 22H2 and Nvidia.

     

    Windows 12 will may be released in 2024 so I will do same as I did before : XP -> Vista (skipped) -> 7 -> 8 (skipped) -> 10 -> 11 (skipped) -> 12

    Windows 10 would remain supported until October 14, 2025.

    As I mentioned earlier in this thread, that has been patched last week, and when it wasn't it did not impact rendering in DS as far as I can see.

    Post edited by BlueFingers on
  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited December 2022

    Windows 10 and 11 are very similar, the gain is very low.

    The first purpose of a new OS is to encourage people to buy a new computer.

     

    Windows 11 has seen its fair share of bugs, while the much older Windows 10 is more stable.

    Microsoft has been quick to fix issues with its latest OS, though. We’ve seen a bug that creates thousands of empty folders in File Explorer, as well as a bug that would massively slow SSD speeds.

    At one point, Microsoft recommended against one of its Windows 11 updates, and the OS has seen numerous issues with AMD processors. Microsoft has fixed all of these problems, but it’s safe to assume that Windows 11 will present more bugs than Windows 10, even if Microsoft is quick to address them.

    There’s one ongoing Windows 11 problem that relates to memory leaks, however. As we’ve confirmed and tested, Windows 11 could take up extra RAM when you open up multiple instances of File Explorer. It never releases the RAM when you close the File Explorer, and the system takes up extra resources. This isn’t a problem everyone is having, and it’s also been around in Windows 10 for a while, but it’s a notable one — to say the least.

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  • HoroHoro Posts: 10,788

    .After all, Microsoft said at the time that Windows 10 will be the last version. It will only be updated and enhanced. That version 11 appeared shows how much you can believe in what the say.

  • Noah LGPNoah LGP Posts: 2,617
    edited December 2022

    Horo said:

    .After all, Microsoft said at the time that Windows 10 will be the last version. It will only be updated and enhanced. That version 11 appeared shows how much you can believe in what the say.

    Business is business

    Less computers sold = less Windows licences sold = Lower income for Microsoft

    Upgrading old computers for free = No income.

    Post edited by Noah LGP on
  • RAMWolffRAMWolff Posts: 10,224

    The upgrade from Win 10 to Win 11 was negligible but again there are allot of stability improvements and enhancements that *I* like!  

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,200

    Noah LGP said:

    I didn't try it yet but there are articles about issues with 22H2 and Nvidia.

     

    Windows 12 will may be released in 2024 so I will do same as I did before : XP -> Vista (skipped) -> 7 -> 8 (skipped) -> 10 -> 11 (skipped) -> 12

    Windows 10 would remain supported until October 14, 2025.

    ...if W12 goes back to the pre "Windows as a service" model, then I'm there.  

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,172
    edited December 2022

    FWIW I've just finished the prep work - backups and documentation - so tomorrow the main render system gets updated from W7 pro to W10 pro.

    That should keep me in the loop for another three or four years; I'll burn the next set of bridges when I get to them.

     

    ETA - update done; minor issue with my very old Belkin KVM but I can live with that.

    Post edited by namffuak on
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