Are there still issues between Daz Studio, Windows 11 and AMD processors?
kwannie
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I just built a new system with an AMD Ryzen 9 7950x, a Pro X670-P motherboard an Nvidia 3090 GPU and using DDR5. So I just now came across many discussions from a few months back about how it was a bad idea to use Windows 11 with AMD processors and with DAZ Studio. A few people were saying there are no issues whatsoever. So I am curious if those issues have been completely resolved and which version of DAZ is best for use with AMD CPU' and Windows 11.
Also, does it mater if you use the Home or Pro versions on windows?
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Yep AgitatedRiot saw that thread, most of the posts are from a year ago and the only confirmation was few pepople say "It works for me". I was hoping for some definative insight as to if there any issues at all up to Dec 2022, between Windows 11 and AMD CPU's. Additionally does DAZ with all the normal conflicts between versions and CPU drivers have any issues with Windows 11. The older thread does not really explain where we are currently, anf if those issues were completely resolved.
Were theer any DS-specific issues? AMD processors were not behaving optimally under Windows 11, which would of course have an impact on DS, but I beleive those issues have been addressed to a considerable extent.
Richard, I am curious because I have seen a few comments about different versins of DAZ perfoming much slower under Windows 11. The last version Of DAZ I was using was DS 4.16 pro. I have not attempted DS 4.20 0r 4.21.
Any issues with drivers Nvidia 3090 drivers and AMD with DAZ 4.20 and above?
I haven't updated to Windows 11 (and don't have a 30x0 card), but I have not seen major issues reported.
So with Windows 10 does are there any advantages to using Windows 10 pro over Window 10 Home Eddition?
...a bit interested in this as I am looking at a Ryzen 5950X and running W11 Pro. Currently on 4.21.0.5
The video I linked here is one of the reasons I am apprehensive about Windows 11 and DAZ. Again not exactly current info, this was a video from about a year ago. I am curious about how well the AMD, Windows 11, NVidia 3090 and Which version of DAZ play nice together as of today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVVA0vS5y6U
...I have a 12GB 3060.
I've had zero problems with Windows 11, but I've got an Intel processor.
I'm using Windows 11 with an R9 5900x + 3090 and there was micro-stuttering issues back in the spring, but it was sorted for me when ASUS released a bios update for my mobo in May/June. Since then, I've found Windows 11 to be a lot more stable and faster than Windows 10, but that's my personal experience :)
I'm using an MSI Pro X670-P so I haven't seen any comments about MSI and Windows 11. Butterflyfish, yep that's what I wonder since I have the AMD. I just got enticed by the 16 cores.
I just updated my system from W7 pro to W10 pro - and I can shoot down the myth that you lose a GB or more on your GPU memory with W10.
My 980 TI - driving two 27 inch 1920 X 1080 monitors is using 222 MB (I no longer use this for renders).
My 1080 TI is using 143 MB; and my 3060 has 159 MB tied up when not rendering.
All numbers reported by GPU-Z.
Also, while rendering a fairly complete UltraScenery scene for slightly over 10 minutes the 3060 peaked at 182 W board power draw at 99% GPU load; the 1080 TI peaked at 220 W board power draw at 99% GPU load - and the whole system maxed at 540 W as indicated by the APC Powerchute monitor. That includes the 980 TI, the cpu, and 6 fans (one cpu and five case fans).
I'm currently running the 526.98 NVIDIA driver
you have to start the render to see the difference in VRAM usage because otherwise Windows is not saving the 19% of VRAM for itself. its a fact and it is a problem for every app that uses cuda
...does W11 cause the same issue?
It was no myth but a fact that could be seen from the logs and countless of posts, but there has lately been a few posts indicating that something has changed, although nobody has been able to analyze and provide proof of the situation.
Windows 11 was the Operating System the that is in question for this thread. So, for the most part most people are saying that they don't see any recent issues between DAZ and Windows 11, but some said the experienced some Lagging in DAZ using Windows 11 when it first came out. There was a definate problem between Windows 11 and AMD Cpu's but that all indications are that that has been resloved over the past year. I have not seen any traffic in the forums from somebody that happens to have an Ryzen 9 7000 series CPU and is running Windows 11 and DAZ to absolutely confirm one way or the other. I already purchased Windows 11 but I am leaning towards going back for a copy of Windows 10 since it seems the most tried and true for AMD CPU's
I am currently running Windows 11 Pro with an AMD Ryzen 9 7950X, a Pro X670-P motherboard, 64 GB DDR5 5600, and dual RTX 3060s. I have Windows 11, DAZ Studio, and assets installed on a 2TB WD Black SN770 m.2 drive. My hardware configuration is similar to what you have described.
Having used D|S on Windows 10 for many years, I took a near instant liking to Windows 11 and have no complaints. D|S runs very nicely. In fact, everything runs fast and flawlessly. 10/10 would recommend.
If other people are having issues with this hardware combination, then perhaps it is a case of "user error".
I've got the same 7950x processor on Windows 11 and haven't noticed any problems whatsoever
Yeah there was a Windows 10 update a while back that addressed the 'allow only 90% of 90% of VRAM' thing. Any one program would lose access to approximately 19% of your VRAM. Which was particularly annoying with my 11GB GTX 1080 Ti. But as I said, this was eventually 'fixed' and I can confirm that this was the case.
Unless that's not the issue that you were referring to.
Now we are getting somewhere,lol. I really appreciate the feedback. I saw that there were improvements with the H2 versions of Windows 11, but The copy I got was the Version 21H2 not the 22H2 Version. I assume that the later versions are just obtained through the normal windows updates, is that correct? KomodoVR and JB007 have you noticed any issues outside of DAZ between the AMD CPU and Windows 11. That was one of the major issues early on.
In summary,
1) Yes, you'll get the latest version of Windows 11 via the usual Windows updates.
2) I had some issues with the 7950X's integrated GPU not being able to reliably drive Windows with my ultrawide monitor at 3440x1440 during rendering, but lowering the monitor's refresh rate from 144Hz to 60Hz seems to have largely fixed those issues (though not quite, see below).
3) I had frequent BSOD issues during the first few days of using the system. However, when I uninstalled the AMD software to "automatically overclock" the system, the BSOD problems stopped.
In more detail,
1) You will get the latest version/updates via the usual Windows updates, just be sure to use the Pro version, of course.
I haven't noticed any issues outside of DAZ and the AMD CPU/Windows, but I don't do a lot with the computer besides render with D|S, write code with Visual Studio, and browse a few websites with Edge.
So far, I haven't noticed any issues when using other software such as DaVinci Resolve, FL Studio, Camtasia, Topaz Gigapixel, Affinity Photo/Designer/Publisher, etc. I don't play games, so I can't talk about that.
2) For a while, I was using the 7950X's integrated GPU to drive Windows to allow for the maximum amount of VRAM from the 12GB 3060s. When rendering, which is a lot of the time, the screen would periodically go blank for a few seconds. Then, the screen would return and the application I had been using would be minimised.
This annoying behaviour did not occur when one of the 3060s was driving the monitor/Windows during rendering, so I assume the 7960X's integrated GPU isn't quite able to handle the graphics for Windows at a resolution of 3440x1440.
However, an issue I had early on when using an RTX 3060 to drive Windows/applications during rendering is that the mouse and system would lag! It was profoundly annoying! The system/mouse lag did not occur when the 7950X's iGPU was used during rendering, but the screen would periodically go blank. On the other hand, the screen never went blank when a 3060 was used, but the system and mouse would lag during rendering instead!
Thankfully, I found a core reason for the problem. I am using a 34" ultrawide monitor (an AOC 34 CU34G2X - I highly recommended using an ultrawide with DAZ!) which runs at 3440x1440 with a 144Hz refresh rate. It was the 144Hz refresh rate that caused the system/mouse lag. When I lowered the monitor's refresh rate to 60Hz, the system/mouse lag disappeared.
As far as I can tell, there is no visual difference between 60Hz and 144Hz, so lowering the refresh rate is not an inconvenience. I don't play games, so perhaps 60Hz makes a difference with that, but as far as DAZ Studio, it seems more responsive/faster/snappier in iRay preview mode when the monitor is at 60 Hz.
Currently, if I want to use the 7950X's iGPU while rendering (e.g., if a D|S scene demands close to 12GB), then I either put up with the screen periodically going blank, or I do those renders when I'll be away from the computer for a while. Given that you have a 3090 with 24GB VRAM, you likely won't have much need to use the integrated GPU while rendering.
3) During the first few days of having built the system, I was getting a lot of BSOD. Because it happened up to a few times a day, I thought I had either not assembled the hardware properly, or I had bought defective parts, or that Windows 11 was buggy. It was very concerning!
But, for some reason, whatever triggered a BSOD, it would happen just one time. When I repeated the steps that triggered the BSOD, it did not occur again. It's as though the CPU/hardware "learned" from each BSOD and managed to avoid it again.
However, I think that the reason I was getting a lot of BSOD is because I used AMD software to (slightly) overclock the system. When I uninstalled that program and began running the CPU/memory with the default settings, there were no more BSOD - I haven't had a BSOD since.
In my opinion, at least with the hardware configuration I have, the 7950X does not need to be overclocked, so it no loss to me.
All in all, I quickly took a liking to Windows 11 over Windows 10, and I do not think there are any good reasons to persist with Windows 10 if you already have a license for Windows 11 Pro.
Good luck and happy rendering with your RTX 3090.
...I moved back to the 5900X (to save a bit of scratch) which does not have graphics processing so I will be using a GTX 750Ti just for running the displays and the Titan-X to support the 3060.for rendering.
Komodo thank you again for the detailed input I am saving your advice to a text file. I did however exchange Windows 11 for Windows 10 Pro and all seems to be working the way I'm used to. However I have not installed DAZ Studio yet or Iclone or Blender. DAZ is the only one that I am ever hesitant about because of the version conflicts with my assets. So I kept DS 4.10 installed on my old system because of scripts that won't work beyond that. I then stuck with DS 4.12 forever because it was so stable, then went up to DS 4.16 when I installed my RTX 3060, but 4.16 does like to crash on occasion. Now with the RTX 3090 which version does anybody suggest on a new system with all the assets that I built described above [ AMD Ryzen 9 7950x, a Pro X670-P motherboard an Nvidia 3090 GPU and using DDR5]. Ihave the DS 4.20 Beta saved and of course I could install DS 4.21 through DIM. I heard several things are broke after DS 4.16 such as ghost lights for example. So I would again appreciate any advice.
Also I have a second M.2 NVMe which is 2TB that I am adding as a Data drive. Is it better practice to install all DAZ Componetents on the same drive i.e. placing the main DS program and then My Library on the same drice or should it be the main program on the C: drive where Windows is and MY Library on the data drive Thanks!