Pubic hair, or not pubic hair, that is the question.

hellborn

Up to today I think I have bought some eight G3 textures and 6 of them has had pubic hair.

As I cant use textures with  pubic hair I have asked for refounds in all cases.

So thank's DAZ for standing behind you 100% satisfied guarantee.

The reason for not beeing able to use them is that when doing nude renders and i want pubic har I have my own pubic, armpit etc hair props made in zBrush.

So when once again demanding a refound I also asked support if there is some kind of large demand on pubic hair in textures that is the reason for all this hair.

They said that thay whould pass my request NO pubic hair on to the content creators but also added that making a post in the forum as a faster way of communication so that's the reason for this post :)

I made a comparioson to my G2 textures.

In the case of G3 75% of the textures had pubic hair while in the case of G2 only 15% had.

So what's behind this new trend and what do we want in coming textures for G3.

 

 

 

Roboman28

Clearly the only way of satisfying everybody would be to have options of with and without but that is more effort. I think only a tiny percentage of users will have their own personal hair props. Personally I'm happy with a mixture. On a similar subject I find it strange that Daz only do circumcised males which is not the default human condition. But I note that as a curiosity more than a practical concern.

jestmart

I do wish DAZ would encourage texture makers to make the base texture hairless (including no eyebrows) and use LIE presets so the user can add them if they want.

larsmidnatt

You could just do that yourself...make a hairless version. I just had to do that last night. If daz forced that on PA's it's more work on them. So prices would keep climing up.

The eyebrow thing is the same idea. I just do it myself. The eyebrow debate has been going on for years. While I agree it's a nice option, not sure Daz forcing people to do it is a great way to get PA's to work with you. Daz standards are already pretty strict compared to some other sites...

Also my argument will stand that users need to realize these are stock assets. Just like stock photos, people should expect to manipulate the heck out of the assets to get what they need. Removing eybrows or gential fur doesn't take a long time at all. And is a simple skill anyone can pick up, and I encourage them to do so.

 

Roboman28 said:

On a similar subject I find it strange that Daz only do circumcised males which is not the default human condition. But I note that as a curiosity more than a practical concern.

I don't believe that to be true. Isn't there a foreskin morph? If you are talking about the textures, well the morph would hide the circumcised portion of the texture. So no worries.

Toyen

I think that the textures should come with both options.

As for male genitalia, unfortunately since Daz won´t let me have it unless I buy a pro bundle full of items I dont want, cant really tell from experience but I guess that it should definitely have both versions too.

Adding a some extra polygons down there does not sound like too much work but who knows.

Also I only have V7 and I believe she is hairless which is exactly my preference, do Beth and Eva have body hair? Or did you mean PA figures?

larsmidnatt

Toyen said:

I think that the textures should come with both options.

As for male genitalia, unfortunately since Daz won´t let me have it unless I buy a pro bundle full of items I dont want, cant really tell from experience but I guess that it should definitely have both versions too.

Adding a some extra polygons down there does not sound like too much work but who knows.

Also I only have V7 and I believe she is hairless which is exactly my preference, do Beth and Eva have body hair? Or did you mean PA figures?

Just an FYI, not all of the female skins come with genitals. There is a different texture used for the pro pack genitals. It's much more detailed...Not all artists sell their skins with genital skins. Some argue they should always do this, some say they should not have to for a variety of reasons. Same applies to men.

The genital geo-grafts historically have been pretty decent. Certainly more than just a few extra polys. Granted I hear they nerfed the male genitals last generation compared to the prior one(less bones to control shaping). And I know they gimped the female genitals at one point (removing a secondary texture zone for the inner bits). However these pieces did get time and effort, and any PA supporting these extra bits would have to put in more time.

People want cheaper products, not products that cost more. So letting PA decide what makes sense regarding hair and the amount of presets they include should be up to them.

Vast marjority of Daz users don't have their own hair props. So serving the majority is what they have to do. And most likely at least some people render characters with clothes on...so that's a factor.

 

hellborn

Removing hair from the texture is alot more work than adding..

I have no problem with a mix if it is at least 50 / 50. 

But right now textures without hair is rare. 

Or am I just have some bad luck.

Last buy was Bethany and Camilla. And they have hair. One of them had a very thin string.

That one would not had been that much work to fix if one want to.

Victoria as mention has no hair and the same is true for the Black skin resource for G3.

Eve has hair I think.

Maybe we could post info about witch one has hair and witch don't in this tread.

I post a list of the one I knows about tomorrow.

I made a suggested to DAZ that there should be a small version of the textures to download so that one could check before buying.

Based on the answer I got the impression that they rather have users demanding refounds than making such changes.

And as they stand behind the 100% satisfied guarantee it's ok by me.

 

 

larsmidnatt

Removing hair doesn't take long at all. Adding hair, if you aren't using a premade prop actually takes a lot of time, and most users aren't going to be able to do that. Again, most users don't use hair props. Many don't even render nudes.

I wouldn't make assumptions they would rather have people request refunds. For one I don't work for Daz...I'm just sharing some insight. You are the one complaining about this, and in the years I have been using Daz content it's not big a big fuss for users. Don't assume you are in the majority.

You will find more people who would rather have textures without eyebrows. There was a long lived thread about this with a poster sharing which sets actually had this option. However, they have survived all this time fine even though it's very rare for textures to come with this option.

Expecting them to allow a small version of the asset for download is unrealistic.

hellborn

hellborn said:

Removing hair from the texture is alot more work than adding..

I have no problem with a mix if it is at least 50 / 50. 

But right now textures without hair is rare. 

Or am I just have some bad luck.

Last buy was Bethany and Camilla. And they have hair. One of them had a very thin string.

That one would not had been that much work to fix if one want to.

Victoria as mention has no hair and the same is true for the Black skin resource for G3.

Eve has hair I think.

Maybe we could post info about witch one has hair and witch don't in this tread.

I post a list of the one I knows about tomorrow.

I made a suggested to DAZ that there sould be a small version of the textures to download so that one could check before buying.

Based on the answer I got the impression that they rather have users demanding refounds than making such changes.

And as they stand behind the 100% satisfied guarantee it's ok by me.

 

 

 

larsmidnatt said:

Removing hair doesn't take long at all. Adding hair, if you aren't using a premade prop actually takes a lot of time, and most users aren't going to be able to do that. Again, most users don't use hair props. Many don't even render nudes.

I wouldn't make assumptions they would rather have people request refunds. For one I don't work for Daz...I'm just sharing some insight. You are the one complaining about this, and in the years I have been using Daz content it's not big a big fuss for users. Don't assume you are in the majority.

You will find more people who would rather have textures without eyebrows. There was a long lived thread about this with a poster sharing which sets actually had this option. However, they have survived all this time fine even though it's very rare for textures to come with this option.

Expecting them to allow a small version of the asset for download is unrealistic.

I think your missing the point.

The idea behind this thread was to get PA:s to know if there is a preference or not.

Maybe its 50 / 50 maybe it's not. I dont know.

That's what I'm trying to find out.

You fix it yourself so I guess you don't care.

But others might.

 

 

 

nicstt

I'd like an option without, but would prefer an alternate of dark, blond and red. I find blond hair and dark eyebrows extremely annoying, except when I deliberately want the character to have died hair, then it's a give-away.

larsmidnatt

hellborn said:

I think your missing the point.

The idea behind this thread was to get PA:s to know if there is a preference or not.

No, I'm not missing the point. And like many other threads in this section people ask for things and I give them some advice on how it can be handled without waiting for something that may not happen. My post does not prevent a PA from reading his. But you have to realize there are numbers to all of this and some logic needs to be applied.

larsmidnatt

hellborn said:

Maybe its 50 / 50 maybe it's not. I dont know.

That's what I'm trying to find out.

May be anecdotal, but I really haven't seen this complaint much. Probably because most people don't use hair props...which was an important point. BTW I thought this was in the product suggestions sub-forum. Guess not.

 

jestmart said:

I do wish DAZ would encourage texture makers to make the base texture hairless (including no eyebrows) and use LIE presets so the user can add them if they want.

Not all users can use LIE. Because not all users render natively in Daz. 

Overall my points are pretty simple. There really isn't a silver bullet persay to keep everyone happy. Personally the genital fuzz isn't a big deal to be because if it has fur I don't want I remove it. If it does not have fur I add it. It's a very small part of the package. 

Would I be bothered by more presets? No. But I don't want to pay more for them. More options/presets = more work = higher price. And since you can't preview these bits before you buy it's always a gamble anyway. They aren't going to preview this stuff :(

There are only 6 unique commmenters in this thread. The eyebrow thread had tons. I don't think they convinced PAs to change :(

 

You fix it yourself so I guess you don't care.

Actually I do care. My preference is they come with hair. 80% of the time I would rather use the stock hair then have to photoshop it in or fit my limited assortment of legacy fur props on them. 

Strixowl

Give me either pube hair or optional no hair texture. Don't give me no pube hair and no optional pube hair texture. There's my vote .

nicstt

Only a few of my renders require pubic hair; those that don't it doesn't matter what the texrue has. Those that do matter, then it is rediculously easy to remove it, and even get decent results; admittedly some textures are a little esier than others and it takes a little practice if never used Gimp (or Photoshop), but as learning curves go, it isn't the steepest.