G8/G8.1F Eyes - The E.T. Factor?
rlewisfr
Posts: 15
Hello all,
Let me preface this by saying I am very new to DS, having just picked up things around the time that G9 came out (I guess it was the campaign around G9 that lifted Daz to my radar). There are a lot of people who comment how much they prefer G8 or G8.1 and I can see the appeal:
- Straight forward clothing and hair application of most assets without the need to auto-fit
- Expressions and poses are much more prevalent
- The sheer volume of choices for models
However, I might be either missing something obvious or there is a distinct artist choice going on here, but I am finding there is a significant E.T. (Extra Terrestrial) look going on with a lot of the G8/G8.1 models. In other words, large bulbous eyes, thin face, wide head.
Some examples (using the same lighting, hair and camera; please excuse some hair cap cracking):
SASE Sierra
VYK Larissa
So far, from my limited exposure, the base DAZ Victoria model as well as characters by Mousso and HID3D seem to be better.
Compare these to any G9 and there really is no comparison. Is the G9 just that much more advanced?
Is it just my distaste for specific artist looks, or is there something about G8/G8.1 structure around the eyes and face that tends in this direction? Genuine, non-flame question here. I really like the look of the G9 models, but am finding so many frustrations related to my points/benefits noted above.
Thanks so much!
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Some PA's just lean to the stylized human more than the realistic model. One buys what one finds more appealing ;). I tend to think most of the generations have eyes that are too big and I tend to dial them down in size and a lot of the time, I move them down a little because they seem to high to me.
Also, from the looks of the images you have posted, have you customized the characters in some way? If you haven't you have another morph loading with the characters you mentioned because they don't look like the default characters.
You shouldn't be starting a thread only to attack artistic choices. Taste in art is highly subjective, many PAs prefer semi-realistic stylized look, purchase froma PA with a style fit to your likings, but do not shame styles you don't like.
There's nothing in either G8+ or G9 facial topology enforcing any particular style, it's always PA choice.
@rlewisfr I think something else is going on here - those faces are not the proper faces of those G8/G8.1 characters. I think you might be in the unfortunate situation, where any G8 or G8.1 you load is loading in with an extra morph. It sometimes happens due to an error in a recent character purchase, where the character is dialed in with each other character you load.
In DS, select one of those G8/G8.1 characters you rendered before and check your parameters / shaping tab. Select the "Currently Used" option. Check through the list there to see if you've got some other character dialed in that the one you loaded. You may want to uninstall that other character for now to prevent this from happening. Others may have a better solution. Hope that helps!
EDIT: I'm going to hazard a guess that maybe you've got Dolly's head dialed in with those other characters. If I remember right, Dolly might have been a free gift for new members, and she has those features of big eyes, narrow chin etc. Just a guess!
So I guess you missed the part where I was saying that it was a genuine question, and I was very open to the possibility that it was an artistic choice that I did not like. I'm not attacking anyone, not shaming any style at all. If you can't see that, then one of us hasn't communicated properly.
What Sapphire Blue said, plus there are some out there (usually third-party stuff from some random Patreon that got shared to some other pie-ratting site without being tested and before any updates, if any were done) made by creators who have no idea what they're doing that will completely override your core G8F character, meaning that you're in some hunting and damage control. It will be a valuable lesson as you sort it out. But those renders are NOT the way those models are supposed to appear in your library, and it likely effects all of your G8F and G8.1 models, which is why G9 looks so clean in comparison.
Wow, thank you so much SapphireBlue, much appreciated. Yes, turns out there was some LY Rory Head morphs and a double on the RY Xara Head (Non HD) being added for some reason:
When I removed the offending morphs, things got WAY better and closer to the advertising material.
Is there any way to prevent this from happening to each G8/G8.1 load I do, or is this something I have to check each time I fire up a model?
Again, thank you so much for the assistance, I really do appreciate it!
I'm glad it helped!
So firstly, you need to put RY Xara's morph back in!! The 2 RY Xara morphs are 1 for her head shape and one for the HD details - they're not doubling up. The HD details add the finer details for close up renders. You can dial that down for distance renders etc, but the first one is her actual head shape. Without that, your render now is back to the basic G8 head shape only but with RY Xara's skin.
If you notice that LY Rory is dialed in everytime you start DS and load in G8/G8.1, then my only suggestion is to uninstall her for now and send a ticket to DAZ to see if there'll be an update for the character fixing that issue. Others here may know how to fix the issue in her files, but I don't have a clue about that I'm afraid. Right now, it seems LY Rory is the only problem here, so uninstalling her should prevent this from happening each time you load a G8/G8.1 character. So now I hope you can go back to appreciating their totally non ET faces like the rest of us do...
Also worth considering is that you can get some morphs and adjust those eyes to your liking, or even import to some 3d modeling application. Sky is the limit!
Maybe try not mixing strong words like distaste and links to specific products with disclaimers how it's not supposed to be derogatory.
I'm affraid hanging out in the Daz3d forums, which is rife with nudity and adult content, and then complaining about my "strong words" is a little rich.
I will simply refer you to the other fine comments in the thread as examples of constructive feedback and simply being helpful.
If you wish to reply with "strong words" I will not be offended I promise.
Ok, thanks to the advice, I have put Rory in a corner to think about what she has done for a while, and now all of the ladies are showing their true, fine colours. I had to go in to the /data/.../morphs/ folder and remove references to the Rory morphs (as I do manual installs rather than auto from IM or Central), but after that it is great.
Again, can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
Ooh, now that I look at Rory's product page, I can definitely see where the extra features came from. I'm glad it was just that easy to take care of. I had at one point downloaded something from a Patreon and it overwrote the G8 core character, so even uninstalling everything from the character I bought didn't help - I also had to purge G8 Essentials. I learned to be a lot more discerning after that.
Another fun experience was downloading from another third-party site and the file size was unbelievably heavy. Come to find out, the seller had included their entire Data folder in the product on accident... It took about a half hour to load a character for all the "duplicate formulas found"
Hello… I’d like to mention another one of my Public Service Announcement topics I feel has been in need of being visited again…
I keep seeing people still using the term “Extra Terrestrial”…
Thats a hurtful and antiquated word that fosters resentment and alienation (estrangement, not "Alien Nation", which could imply a nation founded by non-earth peoples)...
"Extra Terrestrial" is an earthcentric term that implies lifeforms who's ancestry didn't originate on earth are unusual or "beyond" being terrestrial... it's as hurtful as "alien", "xenomorph", "celestial entity", "cosmic invader" or "human-eater" (okay, that last one was a bad example, those guys really are jerks who just eat people because we're kind of tasty).
Instead we should try referring to non-earth life forms as People Of Alternate Origins Not From Earth... or "POAONFE" for short... its not really that much shorter to say, but if you practice that acronym a bit you'll get used to it and people won't roll their eyes when you say "extra terrestrial" at a party, unless it's a party being thrown by human-eaters, who won't really care because they were going to eat you anyway... they really suck, so don't worry about their feelings...
Regardless, it's not good form to label others anyway, but at least we are past terms like "Little Green Men", "Greys" and "Hillbilly Probers"... (Which is doubly offensive to both POAONFE individuals and Mountain Dwelling Billies Of Rural Origin, or "MDBOROs")... Think of how you'd feel if someone kept referring to all humans as "bald pink apes", "little beige men" or "tasty flesh bags"... actually the last one wasn't a good example and is probably a red flag to not accept any dinner party invitations from those individuals, but I hope you understand the point... nobody likes to be labeled... of course if you do get captured by human-eaters, being labeled "Do Not Eat" is actually pretty comforting and even worth the effort of going out of your way to be labeled as such, even if it involves switching labels with someone else while they are sleeping... especially if you are well marbled or extra juicy.
It might not seem a big deal because for the most part earth appears to be fairly devoid of POAONFE individuals, and while that's somewhat true compared to other planets that attract more interworld touristy, if we want to benefit from all the technical, health and romantic opportunities (tentacles rock!) that the galaxy has to offer, we have to stop acting like a bunch of uncouth mountain dwelling billies of rural origin and start thinking like galactic citizens if we ever want to grow outside our self absorbed little bubble... it's not only polite to do so, it's beneficial too... the odds of us blowing ourselves up become a lot less... and although technically the odds of being blown up by someone else increases somewhat, along with those of us accidentally blowing up the planet because we did some "hold my beer" stunt for a video challenge, it's still not as embarrassing as blowing up your planet because you were trying to spite the other guys living on your planet, that's literally one of the stupidest tropes in the galaxy and the subject of countless glactonet memes.
It's just a little change... try to put yourself in someone else's shoes (or foot pods or other limb tip coverings) and you'll understand how labeling feels... and hopefully you'll find it's not that hard to get used to saying POAONFE instead of "Alien" or "Extra Terrestrial"... but really... practice it a bit, because mistakenly rearranging the letters forms other less complimentary or socially acceptable acronyms, like for example "AOEFPON", or "Association Of Extremely Flatulent Polygamous Octopus Necrophiliacs", "POOEFAN", or "Paternal Order Of Erotic Fungus Appreciating Nuns, "ANFPEOO", or "Aggressive Nudists For Platypus Erotica Of Ottawa" and the nefariousness club so often in the news these days, "OPEOENA", or "Old People Eaters Of Northern Alabama"... And that last one underscores an important point, galactic law forbids the eating of other sentient species, but that's generally only enforced within the World Union, so the quicker we get accepted as a member the less likely we are to be snacked on... Eating other sentient species is really frowned upon...
Granted, sometimes mistakes are made... after all if your stupid species evolved to mimic pastries, and particularly fancy chocolate cupcakes, it's really not my fault someone mistakenly devoured half of one of your delicious colonies on Vasleopita 5... Even if there was a lot of screaming and running away, it's completely understandable that someone could make such a mistake and therefore not be responsible for their actions.
Regardless, it's still very beneficial to humans to think more broadly in terms of where we want to be in the future... a bunch close minded rural bozos whining about who's the coolest ape while lobbing explody toys at each other for the stupidest reasons, or maybe a forward thinking open minded species not afraid of a little tentacle-play or alternative cuisine.
Hopefully this will have given some of you out there a pause for thought and you consider yours and collectively, humanity's position in the universe and we can move forward towards better things.
Seriously, tentacles are amazing... once you experience them... never mind, let's just start with small steps before we move to that.
Anyway, than you for considering my point of view on this matter, even if for a moment.
Carry on.
Wow! Now that is the way to address improper language!
Impressive. A little disturbing I have to say, but impressive.
This has been a problem with LY Rory for years, according to this thread.
I have Lyonesse Rory and no such issues so it must be another product. Because this one definitely is fixed. That epic jawline would be hard to miss if it was loading on every character.
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