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In What Order Do You Simulate dForce ?

FauvistFauvist Posts: 2,152
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In What Order Do You Simulate dForce?  If I have a human character, and a pose, and an outfit consisting of several dForce pieces like a blouse, and sweater, and skirt, and scarf, and dForce hair.  Do I have to simulate each piece sepaerately?  If so - what do I do first?  Pose the figure?  Put the clothing on the figure first - or the hair?  Or do I put all the clothing and hair on first?  Once the clothing and hair are on the figure, in what order do you simulate the pieces of clothing?  Do I pose the figure first?  Or dress the figure, and apply the pose on a tiimeline - do all the clothes and hair just instantly simulate themselves?

Thanks!

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  • kraftwerkdkraftwerkd Posts: 42
    edited January 2023
    I start from the bottom up, simulating one thing at a time then freezing and hiding from sim after. If I have say a fully dressed figure, I'll isolate the pants, hide everything else then sim. Freeze, hide, then unhide the next garment and repeat. If I need things to collide or interact I'll keep them visible but still frozen, such as hair draped over a shirt or dress. Keep the dress frozen but keep it visible in sim. YMMV of course but this is just how I do it. Edit: should also mention I pose on frame 30 but let the sim run for 45-60 frames to let everything settle nicely.
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  • FauvistFauvist Posts: 2,152
    edited January 2023

    kraftwerkd said:

    I start from the bottom up, simulating one thing at a time then freezing and hiding from sim after. If I have say a fully dressed figure, I'll isolate the pants, hide everything else then sim. Freeze, hide, then unhide the next garment and repeat. If I need things to collide or interact I'll keep them visible but still frozen, such as hair draped over a shirt or dress. Keep the dress frozen but keep it visible in sim. YMMV of course but this is just how I do it. Edit: should also mention I pose on frame 30 but let the sim run for 45-60 frames to let everything settle nicely.

    Thanks for the method. How do you "freeze" each individual garment?  And at what point to you put your human in it's pose?

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  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,309
    edited January 2023

    You pose the figure first if you are not using the timeline.  There are tutorials on Youtube going through the process for timeline renders that will make more sense than a text description.

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  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,291

    You can simulate each piece of clothing in one go, just go into the Surfaces pane and make sure that for each all its surfaces have a different Collision Layer value, with lowest being the innermost and highest the outermost.

  • kraftwerkdkraftwerkd Posts: 42
    edited January 2023
    Fauvist said:

    kraftwerkd said:

    I start from the bottom up, simulating one thing at a time then freezing and hiding from sim after. If I have say a fully dressed figure, I'll isolate the pants, hide everything else then sim. Freeze, hide, then unhide the next garment and repeat. If I need things to collide or interact I'll keep them visible but still frozen, such as hair draped over a shirt or dress. Keep the dress frozen but keep it visible in sim. YMMV of course but this is just how I do it. Edit: should also mention I pose on frame 30 but let the sim run for 45-60 frames to let everything settle nicely.

    Thanks for the method. How do you "freeze" each individual garment?  And at what point to you put your human in it's pose?

    Select the figure, Parameters>General>Simulation there'll be a button to Freeze it. I move my timeline scrubber to frame 30, dress my figure then do all my posing, then set the timeline total to 61 to get 60 frames. Don't ask me where the extra frame comes in, I just know typing 61 gives 60 frames. A video dude could probably enlighten on that. Look up esha's video on her Dforce Magnet - it's on YouTube and it's a great timeline tutorial, even if you don't use magnets. All the principles apply.
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  • digitelldigitell Posts: 577

    How do you get a dress to pose as it should if the figure is sitting in a chair? I tried to do this but the dress just swallowed the chair.

    When I tried it with the figure in the sitting position and hid the chair, the dress flowd nicely over the top of her thighs, but behind her thighs the dress just

    hung there. I am at a loss on how to make a dress position properly with the figure sitting on a chair. 

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,291

    digitell said:

    How do you get a dress to pose as it should if the figure is sitting in a chair? I tried to do this but the dress just swallowed the chair.

    When I tried it with the figure in the sitting position and hid the chair, the dress flowd nicely over the top of her thighs, but behind her thighs the dress just

    hung there. I am at a loss on how to make a dress position properly with the figure sitting on a chair. 

    Do an animated (Play range) and have the chair slide under the figure as she sits.

  • kraftwerkdkraftwerkd Posts: 42
    digitell said:

    How do you get a dress to pose as it should if the figure is sitting in a chair? I tried to do this but the dress just swallowed the chair.

    When I tried it with the figure in the sitting position and hid the chair, the dress flowd nicely over the top of her thighs, but behind her thighs the dress just

    hung there. I am at a loss on how to make a dress position properly with the figure sitting on a chair. 

    Esha has a great channel on YouTube, highly recommended.
  • digitelldigitell Posts: 577

    Thank you  guys for the  info! I will check out the video, I have never tried to do an animation so not sure about how to do  that, I will need to do some research. 

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