daz studio style 3d females, I think DAZ team is going to hurry to survive
iSeeThis
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Yes, that is the prompt I give it, and what I have obtained is exactly what we are familiar with. There is no similarity to any DAZ models in this store or anywhere else as well. I guess Ai plugin or built-in may be for DAZ survival.
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Those images are from Midjourney. You just give a prompt and the Ai produce everything
And?
delete the thread? xD
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/441452/ai-is-going-to-be-our-biggest-game-changer
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591121/remixing-your-art-with-ai
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/601136/ai-generated-content
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/604471/anyone-looking-into-the-inclusion-of-ai-tools-in-daz3d
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/595741/ai-render-option
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/605991/the-ai-made-me-want-it
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/603486/deviantart-ai-art-generator
I wouldn't worry about AI art the slightest other than find it annoying
1. most AI art trainer charge monthly fee to prouce, some even charge per render
2. If you want DAZ style art, you will need Daz render reference, which made by DAZ
3. little flexilblity to make what you want
4. little control on the end render.
Artbreeder has been able to produce portraits of generically pretty ladies for years, and if that's all you need (and you don't particularly mind their collarbones sticking out three or four inches from their bodies, or their clothes looking weird under any scrutiny at all), I guess you're set.
one needs to separate sites that you pay to generate ai images from ai technology and uses of ai technology
DAZ studio certainly could benefit from incorporating the latter such thinplate video animation, style transfer, texture inversion embeddings
and maybe sell checkpoints trained using their own content that are NOT opensource and fully commercially licensed
to not consider it would be foolish
My point is that these AI systems are still in their early years. They are able to understand the style of DAZ and produce works that are flawless. If given a few more years, I believe they will be able to do everything that DAZ can do, and even more. The DAZ team should be discussing how to respond to this trend. They could enhance their engine to keep up with the AI, sell additional AI services, or even enter the field of AI art services themselves. Whatever the outcome, it seems that we will all benefit from these advancements.
Thank you very much! I've just entered those ai art services just a few days ago after my previous project done. I will read all (or almost) links you gave.
I apologize if I have caused any disturbance. I have simply completed my task and am interested in using AI art services just a few days ago. They have impressed me greatly. From what I have seen with the prompts provided, I believe that in a few years these AI systems will be able to do everything that DAZ can do, and potentially even more. I imagine that the DAZ team is already discussing how to adapt to the rise of AI. I am curious to see what developments we will see from DAZ in the future. I assume you already have a detailed understanding of the topic and I appreciate your willingness to share it with someone new to the field like me. Thank you in advance.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic. I don't have any special insights into AI, as it's not a topic I find all that interesting. That said, none of the images you posted look much like renders to me, and the characters don't look specifically like Daz characters; they're just digital paintings of people. If that's the kind of art you want to produce, and how you want to produce it, I won't try to stop you, I just don't see that as either a threat or a particularly exciting avenue for my own expression.
iSeeThis: AI isn't all that popular here or in most artistic communities for understandable, if not often misunderstood reasons. You're not really going to get good feedback from most users, but I'm glad you're enjoying it and there is a lot to learn about it.
Personally, I think you're right, but it's definitely not something to argue here. ;)
If one is interested in the end result only, the internet is filled with pretty and interesting pictures. That is not why I'm interested in DS, I want to build my scene in 3D and fill it with props and people that I want, then I may "take" pictures of it from different angles to see which one I like - Can't do that with those AI services.
AI as an aid to solve technical problems such as realistic rendering or solving the motion and the physical behavior of human tissue are welcome.
If it comes to _creating_ images, I don't like this at all for common art forms. It would be o.k. for the purpose of scientific researches only.
AI as an aid to solve technical problems such as realistic renderings or solving the motion and the physical behavior of human tissue are welcome.
If it comes to _creating_ images, I don't like this at all for common art forms. It would be o.k. in the sense of scientific researches only.
There's no way Daz isn't already discussing this, and I will be shocked if whatever they're working on for 5.0 doesn't heavily incorporate both AI image generation and NFT creation because--however catastrophically wrong I think they are--they probably genuinely believe those are good for artists.
I have far more mixed opinions on AI art than most of the other stuff they've been involved in recently, but no, they can't produce flawless works. There are obvious errors in every one of the examples you posted. I'm not saying this to get after you, but this will not change unless something about the method used to produce the images changes, because the algorithms can't make the judgment calls a human would. That's why your ladies have broken collarbones, or irises that are different sizes, or hair strands that kind of pile together in a vague mess at the ends, or clothes and accessories that are just kind of wonky if you look closely enough at them. The AI has no idea what those things are; it can't adjust them to look good unless we explicitly tell it what "good" is.
Your brain is doing a lot of work here; that's how the human brain is. We see pleasing elements arranged in more or less the way we expect, and the overall effect looks basically correct. But if these were made by a person, it would be immediately obvious that they had learned to copy similar portraits without learning any of the underlying fundamentals that would allow them to make good choices. Algorithms designed like this can't learn the fundamentals and apply them. It can learn what "collarbone" looks like, and it can learn where it goes on a human body, but it can't learn how a collarbone works or how it connects to a shoulder, so the best it can do for the redhead in your second picture is to get better at copying girls painted in similar poses. Did you intend for the first girl's choker to be slanted on her neck, so that it sits at a diagonal angle no matter which way she's turned? Because if not, the AI only did that because that's how it's seen chokers painted when people are posed that way, and it doesn't understand perspective. That won't change until these are created with an entirely different approach, and at that point we're probably going to be debating whether it makes sense to send them to college.
I'm not as exasperated as I probably sound, but every time something that can make a pretty lady portrait well pops up it gets characterized as a Daz killer or something the program needs to compete against or embrace to "survive," and every time it turns out that whoops it has far fewer options for customizing the output than Daz and/or is far more fiddly to get set up. Female characters with high cheekbones, heart-shaped faces, large eyes, and full lips are probably the top output of any 3D rendering software, so calling this "Daz style" is a little narrow, but the reason Daz is useful is that it's an easy interface for customizing and posing 3D models without having to learn a much more complex 3D software, not because you can use it to create a specific type of character artwork. You can do this in Blender, Unreal, whatever--with fewer limitations--if you're willing to put in the time. If AI could make perfect images to a user's exact specifications, it'd be coming for all of 3D and it would go without saying that Daz would be obsolete.
Something in the way the OP started the thread and in the way they answer makes me thing that people are having not an discussion ABOUT AI, but WITH an AI in this thread...
People tend to forget, that AIs can be used for a multitude for purposes and properly trained are quite able to perform quite well in a discussion, when the posts in it don't deviate from the trained theme too much.
What makes you believe this? What potential is it, that you are seeing there? What will stop AI "art" going the same route into not too far away oblivion that NFTs seem to be headed to already?
Depending on the type of art you make with DAZ Studio, you'd be surviving just fine.
Not everything is about consumption. You can buy wine at the store. That's never stopped people from making their own wine, even if occasionally it turns out worse than the storebought.
I was thinking exactly the same thing!
Hey OP,.....proof you are not an AI!
Yes. It reads like someone piped the output of ChatGPT in.
He means that people will use Midjourney to make DAZ Style portrait renders rather than the time & money to buy the models, compose the scene, and render it is DAZ Studio so DAZ will go out of business.
They likely will loose some, or maybe even a lot of 2D only business. I think they will need to increase the 3D interactive asset customer base to make up for the lost customers.
Certainly new potential customers will likely get diverted before they ever have a chance to get to the site with all the buzz those AI sites generate. That output shows up in FB all the time as user avatars by mobile app developers that create a mobile thin client UIs to Amazon virtual server backends running variations of these AI deep fake code. They seem to be faddish apps though and DAZ is still hanging in there.
A more accurate test of the AI would be to change the prompt to "Vicky in a temple with a sword" and see what pops out. :-)
All those characters are very similar to mousso's work
https://www.daz3d.com/mousso
All this "AI" has done is scrape the Daz store for images, apply the same filters to them, and do a bad job at adjusting the color pallette.The whole image is either red, green, or blue.
The clothing is terrible.
...And just as nonesuch00 pointed out the character geometry is equally terrible. Why are the necks so long?
Daz has nothing to worry about if this is the competition.
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Currently, none of the AI (and I use this term loosely, as these aren't AI) programs can't reproduce any of the results consistently.
If you end up with a character and an outfit you like; it's impossible to use it more than once.
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Sorry, this "AI" just isn't there yet.Maybe in a few more years when it actually is making "Artificially Intelligent" decisions.
There are, as Wendy's post early on shows, already several lengthy threads on this topic so this oen has been closed.
That is the aspect pf this technology that interests me the most.