The Streets of Steampunk and gloss level

mark_z2487

I think I understand iRay shader settings, but:

I am trying to make the surfaces wet / reflective

With this model, The Streets of Steampunk, I turn Glossy Reflectivity all the way up to one, Glossy Roughness to 0 and the surfaces still do not seem reflective

Is there something in the shader or render settings I am missing?

crosswind

It depends on the angle of view and if there's a light that the surface can reflect... If keep using current angle of view, just put a light in the opposite direction, tweak its position and beam angle...

And glossy reflectivity and roughness etc. need to be furter tweaked. It's already overexposure on the right side...just because you can see those surfaces reflecting a light source

Stonemason

The glossy color might be off, should be white

mark_z2487

crosswind said:

It depends on the angle of view and if there's a light that the surface can reflect... If keep using current angle of view, just put a light in the opposite direction, tweak its position and beam angle...

 

And glossy reflectivity and roughness etc. need to be furter tweaked. It's already overexposure on the right side...just because you can see those surfaces reflecting a light source

thanks for your reply, not a lighting issue, you should see the wall reflected in the flat pavement, and I turned the exposure up to show the issue, so the overexposure is not what I am looking at

mark_z2487

 

Here is a screen shot showing the settings for the pavement, the flat surface as in the circled area in the previous

Gloss color is white, reflectively set to .54 which should make it pretty reflective, I also tired 1.0 still nothing

mark_z2487

In this screen shot, I set Reflectivity on the far wall to 1.0 and set a cube next to it

I would think I would see the cube almost in a mirror

On a previous try I set the Normal map amount to 0 (off), didn't seem to have any effect

 

crosswind

I roughly did like these:

The principle and mechanism are all the same, not just in iray ~~ BTW, placing some puddles there might be even better ~

mark_z2487

crosswind said:

I roughly did like these:

The principle and mechanism are all the same, not just in iray ~~ BTW, placing some puddles there thanks might be even better ~

thanks for trying to help, I appreciate it, still does not look glossy though, if glossy you would see the reflection of the wall in the pavement

mark_z2487

here is an image I made, the deck has a fairly high glossy roughness and medium low Reflectivity, and you still se quite a bit of reflection, for example the boot of the foreground figure

crosswind

That's a pavement with bumps on it, you wanna make it like a mirror ??  Of course you can, but will it be realistic? Unless it's covered by water or frozen sth. like that~~

Normally 2 types of reflection, specular refl and diffuse refl. This pavement is typically the latter 'cause it's not that glossy in reality. It's not like that deck which does not have a 'bumpy surface' on it.  If you wanna make the pavement much more glossy and reflective, as you said, zero the Normal and Bump values if there's any or sharply decrease them...

mark_z2487

That is almost what I am looking for, to make it look wet, not quite so smooth of course, I have set reflectivity to 1 and glossy roughness to 0 and deleted the normal map, still not like your image, what am I missing? Is it possible there are settings in Render settings?

I will model some puddles

 

crosswind

I used default HDRI with 90 degree of Dome Rotation, nothing special ~ I attached the scene file below.

mark_z2487

Thanks, strange, I will compare tomorrow

bdell_53_4baf2b3d9b

Have you tried using a ground plane as your reflective surface.

My settings for this is

Rendered in Iray,

Base Mixing, PBR Metallicity/Roughness, set Metallicity to 1.00.

Glossy color to White, Glossy Reflectivity to 0.87, Cutout opacity to 0.25.

mark_z2487

bdell_53_4baf2b3d9b said:

Have you tried using a ground plane as your reflective surface.

My settings for this is

Rendered in Iray,

Base Mixing, PBR Metallicity/Roughness, set Metallicity to 1.00.

Glossy color to White, Glossy Reflectivity to 0.87, Cutout opacity to 0.25.

yes, I will make some puddles to set on top of the pavement

why would you set the metallicity to 1?

 

mark_z2487

Well, this is still not adding up

 

If I render the file you (crosswinds) sent me, I get exactly the same image

I turned off the added like, looks the same except removes the specular reflection, looks basically the same

 

As far as I can tell, you (crosswinds) made 3 changes to the shader values for the pavement:

 

Glossy layered weight set to 1.0 from .22

Glossy reflectivity set to 1.0 from .5

Glossy roughness set to .001 with map from 1.0 with the map

 

Here is where it gets odd, first experiment:

The product, Streets of Steampunk, comes with a material setting: Lights On Iray

If I apply that, and then change those 3 shader settings to crosswinds values I do not get the same look, not as glossy!

 

Second experiment:

I save out crosswinds render settings and camera

I load a fresh instance of Streets of Steampunk

I render the scene, it is as one expects, not glossy

I change the settings to crosswinds

The render is glossier, but like my previous, not like crosswinds

How can this be?

Stonemason

just had a look at this and there's a few things you could do...try turning the normal map strength down,unplug the roughness map. turn up glossy layered weight, turn down glossy roughness...or turn up top coat weight.

bdell_53_4baf2b3d9b

mark_z2487 said:

bdell_53_4baf2b3d9b said:

Have you tried using a ground plane as your reflective surface.

My settings for this is

Rendered in Iray,

Base Mixing, PBR Metallicity/Roughness, set Metallicity to 1.00.

Glossy color to White, Glossy Reflectivity to 0.87, Cutout opacity to 0.25.

yes, I will make some puddles to set on top of the pavement

why would you set the metallicity to 1?

Sorry about that, I raise it up to 1 just because I think it looks more glossy and that is usually what I like. When I leave it to low then it just looks like bleached out white ground.

crosswind

mark_z2487 said:

Well, this is still not adding up

 

If I render the file you (crosswinds) sent me, I get exactly the same image

I turned off the added like, looks the same except removes the specular reflection, looks basically the same

 

As far as I can tell, you (crosswinds) made 3 changes to the shader values for the pavement:

 

Glossy layered weight set to 1.0 from .22

Glossy reflectivity set to 1.0 from .5

Glossy roughness set to .001 with map from 1.0 with the map

 - You missed one... pls double-check lah - Normal Map was set to 0.025...  as we talked about it for times in above post.

 

Here is where it gets odd, first experiment:

The product, Streets of Steampunk, comes with a material setting: Lights On Iray

If I apply that, and then change those 3 shader settings to crosswinds values I do not get the same look, not as glossy!

- Just in case,  you better save a material preset of  'sopStairs'  from my file first,  then apply it to yours. I believe you'll get the same result.

 

Second experiment:

I save out crosswinds render settings and camera

I load a fresh instance of Streets of Steampunk

I render the scene, it is as one expects, not glossy

I change the settings to crosswinds

The render is glossier, but like my previous, not like crosswinds

How can this be?

- Still,  should save Render Settings preset, Camera preset, and Material preset of  'sopStairs' (or a Shader preset of 'Paving01' surface of 'sopStairs').  Then apply them accordingly, the result should be the same... 

mark_z2487

bdell_53_4baf2b3d9b said:

mark_z2487 said:

bdell_53_4baf2b3d9b said:

Have you tried using a ground plane as your reflective surface.

My settings for this is

Rendered in Iray,

Base Mixing, PBR Metallicity/Roughness, set Metallicity to 1.00.

Glossy color to White, Glossy Reflectivity to 0.87, Cutout opacity to 0.25.

yes, I will make some puddles to set on top of the pavement

why would you set the metallicity to 1?

Sorry about that, I raise it up to 1 just because I think it looks more glossy and that is usually what I like. When I leave it to low then it just looks like bleached out white ground.

 

that is interesting on the Metallicity, all it should do is change the color of the reflection, from the color of the reflected objects, to tinted by the material color

mark_z2487

crosswind said:

mark_z2487 said:

Well, this is still not adding up

 

If I render the file you (crosswinds) sent me, I get exactly the same image

I turned off the added like, looks the same except removes the specular reflection, looks basically the same

 

As far as I can tell, you (crosswinds) made 3 changes to the shader values for the pavement:

 

Glossy layered weight set to 1.0 from .22

Glossy reflectivity set to 1.0 from .5

Glossy roughness set to .001 with map from 1.0 with the map

 - You missed one... pls double-check lah - Normal Map was set to 0.025...  as we talked about it for times in above post.

 

Here is where it gets odd, first experiment:

The product, Streets of Steampunk, comes with a material setting: Lights On Iray

If I apply that, and then change those 3 shader settings to crosswinds values I do not get the same look, not as glossy!

- Just in case,  you better save a material preset of  'sopStairs'  from my file first,  then apply it to yours. I believe you'll get the same result.

 

Second experiment:

I save out crosswinds render settings and camera

I load a fresh instance of Streets of Steampunk

I render the scene, it is as one expects, not glossy

I change the settings to crosswinds

The render is glossier, but like my previous, not like crosswinds

How can this be?

- Still,  should save Render Settings preset, Camera preset, and Material preset of  'sopStairs' (or a Shader preset of 'Paving01' surface of 'sopStairs').  Then apply them accordingly, the result should be the same... 

 

will try again, in one of my trials I removed the normal map completely, I don’t want to save and apply a shader because I want to change all of them in the model

 

mark_z2487

that was it, in all my trials I missed reducing the normal map amount and the last round, now works! Thanks