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foxyfoxfurriesfoxyfoxfurries Posts: 325
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Hey , I really liked this outfit : dForce Assassin Outfit for Genesis 8 and 8.1 Male | Daz 3D
But I need it to female G8 , Any chance that I can buy its and make it fit to my character or when it write Male its can't be used to G8F?

Thanks :)

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  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,690

    It won't work with G8F out of the box.

    You can use autofit to convert it to G8F, but as with all automatic conversions the quality of the results will vary depending on what you're converting.

    In this case the big shoulder pieces will be problematic IMO, and there's a risk that armor pieces which should be rigid will distort when posing the figure.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,049

    In theory, male clothing can be fit to females and vice versa, but I can't imagine that particular outfit working well cross-gender. If you have something that's similar in design, you could try doing the scene identification trick to it: load it into the scene with nothing selected, so that it doesn't try to autofit to the female figure; select it and click the three-lined "hamburger" icon in the scene pane, and go to Edit -> Scene Identification. Change Preferred Base to G8F, then accept and fit the outfit to G8F. This is recommended over autofit because autofit deletes additional bones in the outfit, but it is more time-consuming if you're doing multiple items. If you have the Cross-Figure Resource Kit, you can do the same thing, since that streamlines the process. In any case, attempting to fit an outfit with a similarly outrageous design that you already own will give you some indication of how this will fit.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,926

    It's doable as above-mentioned but lots of fix / adjustment will be needed, esp. this outfit ~ Morphs along with product won't 100% help... you'd better know at least one modeling / sculpting software or the tool like Mesh Grabber to fix the unfit / distorted areas...

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,049

    You could also try flattening the figure's chest to minimize distortion.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,926
    edited April 2023

    Normally there'll be poke-thru in the chest area, dialing figure's chest morphs won't help as the garment will conform to the shape change... either adjust the PBM in garment's hidden properties or use some tools like MG to drag it..

    Actually such an outfit could be well converted to a cross-gender version but that'll be just a time-cosuming process..

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  • foxyfoxfurriesfoxyfoxfurries Posts: 325

    Gordig said:

    In theory, male clothing can be fit to females and vice versa, but I can't imagine that particular outfit working well cross-gender. If you have something that's similar in design, you could try doing the scene identification trick to it: load it into the scene with nothing selected, so that it doesn't try to autofit to the female figure; select it and click the three-lined "hamburger" icon in the scene pane, and go to Edit -> Scene Identification. Change Preferred Base to G8F, then accept and fit the outfit to G8F. This is recommended over autofit because autofit deletes additional bones in the outfit, but it is more time-consuming if you're doing multiple items. If you have the Cross-Figure Resource Kit, you can do the same thing, since that streamlines the process. In any case, attempting to fit an outfit with a similarly outrageous design that you already own will give you some indication of how this will fit.

    @Leana @crosswind @Gordig Thanks for the comment and help!

    About the Cross-Figure Resource Kit , If I buy the outfit and put it on my G8F model and I follow your comment step by step it will works? and its easy to do? want to make sure before I buy it haha

    THANKS SO MUCH for all of you :)

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,926
    edited April 2023

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    Gordig said:

    In theory, male clothing can be fit to females and vice versa, but I can't imagine that particular outfit working well cross-gender. If you have something that's similar in design, you could try doing the scene identification trick to it: load it into the scene with nothing selected, so that it doesn't try to autofit to the female figure; select it and click the three-lined "hamburger" icon in the scene pane, and go to Edit -> Scene Identification. Change Preferred Base to G8F, then accept and fit the outfit to G8F. This is recommended over autofit because autofit deletes additional bones in the outfit, but it is more time-consuming if you're doing multiple items. If you have the Cross-Figure Resource Kit, you can do the same thing, since that streamlines the process. In any case, attempting to fit an outfit with a similarly outrageous design that you already own will give you some indication of how this will fit.

    @Leana @crosswind @Gordig Thanks for the comment and help!

    About the Cross-Figure Resource Kit , If I buy the outfit and put it on my G8F model and I follow your comment step by step it will works? and its easy to do? want to make sure before I buy it haha

    THANKS SO MUCH for all of you :)

    Cross-figure Kit works well in most case~ As for some unique body morph of G8F, you might need to make some fixing ~ But still the Kit will help to save lots of your time...

    Post edited by crosswind on
  • foxyfoxfurriesfoxyfoxfurries Posts: 325

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    Gordig said:

    In theory, male clothing can be fit to females and vice versa, but I can't imagine that particular outfit working well cross-gender. If you have something that's similar in design, you could try doing the scene identification trick to it: load it into the scene with nothing selected, so that it doesn't try to autofit to the female figure; select it and click the three-lined "hamburger" icon in the scene pane, and go to Edit -> Scene Identification. Change Preferred Base to G8F, then accept and fit the outfit to G8F. This is recommended over autofit because autofit deletes additional bones in the outfit, but it is more time-consuming if you're doing multiple items. If you have the Cross-Figure Resource Kit, you can do the same thing, since that streamlines the process. In any case, attempting to fit an outfit with a similarly outrageous design that you already own will give you some indication of how this will fit.

    @Leana @crosswind @Gordig Thanks for the comment and help!

    About the Cross-Figure Resource Kit , If I buy the outfit and put it on my G8F model and I follow your comment step by step it will works? and its easy to do? want to make sure before I buy it haha

    THANKS SO MUCH for all of you :)

    Cross-figure Kit works well in most case~ As for some unique body morph of G8F, you might need to make some fixing ~ But still the Kit will help to save lots of your time...

    Thank you very much , Its easy to do ? I mean I put it on my model G8F before and then put this help software or I need to put it on nothing and then convert it to my model size.

    If its hard to do I think I will pass it that's why I asking haha thanks BTW :) 

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,335

    Or, since only the face can be seen, use the male figure - dial in some shapes to feminize the figure, the clothing should then follow the figure. Replace the male face with a female face either in the scene or by rendering in layers and using an image editor to put them together.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,926

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    Gordig said:

    In theory, male clothing can be fit to females and vice versa, but I can't imagine that particular outfit working well cross-gender. If you have something that's similar in design, you could try doing the scene identification trick to it: load it into the scene with nothing selected, so that it doesn't try to autofit to the female figure; select it and click the three-lined "hamburger" icon in the scene pane, and go to Edit -> Scene Identification. Change Preferred Base to G8F, then accept and fit the outfit to G8F. This is recommended over autofit because autofit deletes additional bones in the outfit, but it is more time-consuming if you're doing multiple items. If you have the Cross-Figure Resource Kit, you can do the same thing, since that streamlines the process. In any case, attempting to fit an outfit with a similarly outrageous design that you already own will give you some indication of how this will fit.

    @Leana @crosswind @Gordig Thanks for the comment and help!

    About the Cross-Figure Resource Kit , If I buy the outfit and put it on my G8F model and I follow your comment step by step it will works? and its easy to do? want to make sure before I buy it haha

    THANKS SO MUCH for all of you :)

    Cross-figure Kit works well in most case~ As for some unique body morph of G8F, you might need to make some fixing ~ But still the Kit will help to save lots of your time...

    Thank you very much , Its easy to do ? I mean I put it on my model G8F before and then put this help software or I need to put it on nothing and then convert it to my model size.

    If its hard to do I think I will pass it that's why I asking haha thanks BTW :) 

    Actually it's pretty simple, pls just check this page to follow the steps: http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/59859/start

  • foxyfoxfurriesfoxyfoxfurries Posts: 325

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    Gordig said:

    In theory, male clothing can be fit to females and vice versa, but I can't imagine that particular outfit working well cross-gender. If you have something that's similar in design, you could try doing the scene identification trick to it: load it into the scene with nothing selected, so that it doesn't try to autofit to the female figure; select it and click the three-lined "hamburger" icon in the scene pane, and go to Edit -> Scene Identification. Change Preferred Base to G8F, then accept and fit the outfit to G8F. This is recommended over autofit because autofit deletes additional bones in the outfit, but it is more time-consuming if you're doing multiple items. If you have the Cross-Figure Resource Kit, you can do the same thing, since that streamlines the process. In any case, attempting to fit an outfit with a similarly outrageous design that you already own will give you some indication of how this will fit.

    @Leana @crosswind @Gordig Thanks for the comment and help!

    About the Cross-Figure Resource Kit , If I buy the outfit and put it on my G8F model and I follow your comment step by step it will works? and its easy to do? want to make sure before I buy it haha

    THANKS SO MUCH for all of you :)

    Cross-figure Kit works well in most case~ As for some unique body morph of G8F, you might need to make some fixing ~ But still the Kit will help to save lots of your time...

    Thank you very much , Its easy to do ? I mean I put it on my model G8F before and then put this help software or I need to put it on nothing and then convert it to my model size.

    If its hard to do I think I will pass it that's why I asking haha thanks BTW :) 

    Actually it's pretty simple, pls just check this page to follow the steps: http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/59859/start

    Thank you very much you really help me a lot! I tryed to translte everything also make it on my DAZ but the question is I need to load my girl G8F and put the outfit on her? Because its tell me how to fit it to her and its not saying anything there. Sorry for all this question I really need it the simple as posible haha , Thanks! :) 

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,926
    edited April 2023

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    Gordig said:

    In theory, male clothing can be fit to females and vice versa, but I can't imagine that particular outfit working well cross-gender. If you have something that's similar in design, you could try doing the scene identification trick to it: load it into the scene with nothing selected, so that it doesn't try to autofit to the female figure; select it and click the three-lined "hamburger" icon in the scene pane, and go to Edit -> Scene Identification. Change Preferred Base to G8F, then accept and fit the outfit to G8F. This is recommended over autofit because autofit deletes additional bones in the outfit, but it is more time-consuming if you're doing multiple items. If you have the Cross-Figure Resource Kit, you can do the same thing, since that streamlines the process. In any case, attempting to fit an outfit with a similarly outrageous design that you already own will give you some indication of how this will fit.

    @Leana @crosswind @Gordig Thanks for the comment and help!

    About the Cross-Figure Resource Kit , If I buy the outfit and put it on my G8F model and I follow your comment step by step it will works? and its easy to do? want to make sure before I buy it haha

    THANKS SO MUCH for all of you :)

    Cross-figure Kit works well in most case~ As for some unique body morph of G8F, you might need to make some fixing ~ But still the Kit will help to save lots of your time...

    Thank you very much , Its easy to do ? I mean I put it on my model G8F before and then put this help software or I need to put it on nothing and then convert it to my model size.

    If its hard to do I think I will pass it that's why I asking haha thanks BTW :) 

    Actually it's pretty simple, pls just check this page to follow the steps: http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/59859/start

    Thank you very much you really help me a lot! I tryed to translte everything also make it on my DAZ but the question is I need to load my girl G8F and put the outfit on her? Because its tell me how to fit it to her and its not saying anything there. Sorry for all this question I really need it the simple as posible haha , Thanks! :) 

    I think the vendor gave a pretty clear guideline. First load the garment to G8M, dial 'Transfer To: Genesis8Female' to 100%, run the script - Cross-Figure Setup and save those hidden 'XID...' dials as Morph Assets. Then load the garment to G8F...

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,049

    crosswind said:

    I think the vendor gave a pretty clear guideline. First load the garment to G8M, dial 'Transfer To: Genesis8Female' to 100% and save those hidden 'XID...' dials as Morph Assets. Then load the garment to G8F...

    The CFRK includes a script that works without you manually saving anything, apart from the garment itself after everything is done.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,926
    edited April 2023

    Gordig said:

    crosswind said:

    I think the vendor gave a pretty clear guideline. First load the garment to G8M, dial 'Transfer To: Genesis8Female' to 100% and save those hidden 'XID...' dials as Morph Assets. Then load the garment to G8F...

    The CFRK includes a script that works without you manually saving anything, apart from the garment itself after everything is done.

    Yeah, forgot to mention that script~ The script is used for preventing auto-fit and generating cross-gender morphs... @foxyfoxfurries you need to run that script before saving morphs assets...

    Post edited by crosswind on
  • foxyfoxfurriesfoxyfoxfurries Posts: 325
    edited April 2023

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    Gordig said:

    In theory, male clothing can be fit to females and vice versa, but I can't imagine that particular outfit working well cross-gender. If you have something that's similar in design, you could try doing the scene identification trick to it: load it into the scene with nothing selected, so that it doesn't try to autofit to the female figure; select it and click the three-lined "hamburger" icon in the scene pane, and go to Edit -> Scene Identification. Change Preferred Base to G8F, then accept and fit the outfit to G8F. This is recommended over autofit because autofit deletes additional bones in the outfit, but it is more time-consuming if you're doing multiple items. If you have the Cross-Figure Resource Kit, you can do the same thing, since that streamlines the process. In any case, attempting to fit an outfit with a similarly outrageous design that you already own will give you some indication of how this will fit.

    @Leana @crosswind @Gordig Thanks for the comment and help!

    About the Cross-Figure Resource Kit , If I buy the outfit and put it on my G8F model and I follow your comment step by step it will works? and its easy to do? want to make sure before I buy it haha

    THANKS SO MUCH for all of you :)

    Cross-figure Kit works well in most case~ As for some unique body morph of G8F, you might need to make some fixing ~ But still the Kit will help to save lots of your time...

    Thank you very much , Its easy to do ? I mean I put it on my model G8F before and then put this help software or I need to put it on nothing and then convert it to my model size.

    If its hard to do I think I will pass it that's why I asking haha thanks BTW :) 

    Actually it's pretty simple, pls just check this page to follow the steps: http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/59859/start

    Thank you very much you really help me a lot! I tryed to translte everything also make it on my DAZ but the question is I need to load my girl G8F and put the outfit on her? Because its tell me how to fit it to her and its not saying anything there. Sorry for all this question I really need it the simple as posible haha , Thanks! :) 

    I think the vendor gave a pretty clear guideline. First load the garment to G8M, dial 'Transfer To: Genesis8Female' to 100%, run the script - Cross-Figure Setup and save those hidden 'XID...' dials as Morph Assets. Then load the garment to G8F...

    Well my english is not that good + im not that good to find things , Its like japanese to me haha , any way I understand what you and he mean BUT I need to put my G8F and put the outfit on her make it fit to G8M and then start doing it? or just load the outfit on the DAZ screen without model? It's also have a lot of parts I need to pick them all together? or one by one?
    Wish it was to G8F already and everything was perfect lol 

     

    BTW I use the genesis 8m fit on my genesis 8f and its kinda looks good , I also use FIT Control and I made it looks more good on her , Problem only the hat I cant change that much and also the cape a little bit buggy and she dont have scrips.

     

    And now I see why you told me to fit it to G8F because the armor changed his shape when I move her... I will try it out lol I dont have a choice and to read it step by step even I know it takes me hours to do so and even more. 

    Also can I give someone to do it for me ? like if it to G8F? I dont mind even pay to him if its even possible.

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  • foxyfoxfurriesfoxyfoxfurries Posts: 325
    edited April 2023

    crosswind said:

    Gordig said:

    crosswind said:

    I think the vendor gave a pretty clear guideline. First load the garment to G8M, dial 'Transfer To: Genesis8Female' to 100% and save those hidden 'XID...' dials as Morph Assets. Then load the garment to G8F...

    The CFRK includes a script that works without you manually saving anything, apart from the garment itself after everything is done.

    Yeah, forgot to mention that script~ The script is used for preventing auto-fit and generating cross-gender morphs... @foxyfoxfurries you need to run that script before saving morphs assets...

    Ok thank for all of you!
    But in step 4 and 5 I kinda didnt understand what I really need to do , I did all the steps but didnt understand , Wish he was made a video to make it more easy I dont really know where all this options.
    Im sorry if its easy to do and I ask to many questions but I really dont find it , I did it also the script

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,203

    you can also probably just change the scene identification and then hide all the body

    then adjust the position of the head

    the result is more or less the same as Catherine's suggestion of two figures without needing the second figure 

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,335
    .... edit ...
     

    Also can I give someone to do it for me ? like if it to G8F? I dont mind even pay to him if its even possible.

    No. We can only make and share morphs, not the mesh which would be required for a converted outfit. Only the PA that made the original can do or arrange that.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,203

    I don't even own it myself 

    but have used full body male outfits with female heads before today

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,926
    edited April 2023

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    crosswind said:

    Gordig said:

    crosswind said:

    I think the vendor gave a pretty clear guideline. First load the garment to G8M, dial 'Transfer To: Genesis8Female' to 100% and save those hidden 'XID...' dials as Morph Assets. Then load the garment to G8F...

    The CFRK includes a script that works without you manually saving anything, apart from the garment itself after everything is done.

    Yeah, forgot to mention that script~ The script is used for preventing auto-fit and generating cross-gender morphs... @foxyfoxfurries you need to run that script before saving morphs assets...

    Ok thank for all of you!
    But in step 4 and 5 I kinda didnt understand what I really need to do , I did all the steps but didnt understand , Wish he was made a video to make it more easy I dont really know where all this options.
    Im sorry if its easy to do and I ask to many questions but I really dont find it , I did it also the script

    I just sent you a quick video demo. Pls check your Inbox ~

    Post edited by crosswind on
  • foxyfoxfurriesfoxyfoxfurries Posts: 325

    crosswind said:

    foxyfoxfurries said:

    crosswind said:

    Gordig said:

    crosswind said:

    I think the vendor gave a pretty clear guideline. First load the garment to G8M, dial 'Transfer To: Genesis8Female' to 100% and save those hidden 'XID...' dials as Morph Assets. Then load the garment to G8F...

    The CFRK includes a script that works without you manually saving anything, apart from the garment itself after everything is done.

    Yeah, forgot to mention that script~ The script is used for preventing auto-fit and generating cross-gender morphs... @foxyfoxfurries you need to run that script before saving morphs assets...

    Ok thank for all of you!
    But in step 4 and 5 I kinda didnt understand what I really need to do , I did all the steps but didnt understand , Wish he was made a video to make it more easy I dont really know where all this options.
    Im sorry if its easy to do and I ask to many questions but I really dont find it , I did it also the script

    I just sent you a quick video demo. Pls check your Inbox ~

    Thanks and thanks for all of you!!!! I will check it right now! :) 

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