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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220
    edited May 2023

    I actually have Powerdirector 12 on my Win7, never used it, looking at it now

    will get back to you

    OMG a PITA but doable 

    and I immediately found a 2500 image limit

    no wonder I never have used it

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  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I actually have Powerdirector 12 on my Win7, never used it, looking at it now

    will get back to you

    OMG a PITA but doable 

    and I immediately found a 2500 image limit

    no wonder I never have used it

    Unfortunately Wendy, I have already followed the instructions on that video.  As I said, all you can do is reduce the duration to .01.  And that is not short enough.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220
    edited May 2023

    I am rendering something to see what I can do

    but

    Blender is free

    I find it's video editor more robust than Hitfilm in spite of being basic
    Hitfilm Express also free but as I said Carrara image series janky in it

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  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    Tomorrow Yesterday said:

    RE: changing video playback speed.  I have revealed 100% of my information.  In Lightworks, right click on the video segment and choose from 4 possible speeds.  If the response is, 'none of the 4 speeds works for me,' then you and I are in the same boat.  

    Yeah, what we need is someone to say, "Ahh, you want to be able to be able to set the frame rate for sequenced png files.  Here is an editor which actually allows you to do that."

    smiley

    In the meantime I did a workaround.  You can change the speed of a video clip in Powerdirector by simply using control > drag.  In other words, you can make it as fast or as slow as you want by merely dragging it.  So, I loaded a sequence of pngs into Powerdirector, and used Powerdirector to convert them to an AVI file.  Then I reloaded them back onto the Powerdirector time line, and shrunk the file a little.  After a little fiddling, it now syncs with the music file pretty well.

    All that may seem redundant, as Carrara already can output to AVI.  But the problem is that it is wonky, and doesn't always work.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220
    edited May 2023

    UnifiedBrain said:

    Tomorrow Yesterday said:

    RE: changing video playback speed.  I have revealed 100% of my information.  In Lightworks, right click on the video segment and choose from 4 possible speeds.  If the response is, 'none of the 4 speeds works for me,' then you and I are in the same boat.  

    Yeah, what we need is someone to say, "Ahh, you want to be able to be able to set the frame rate for sequenced png files.  Here is an editor which actually allows you to do that."

    smiley

    In the meantime I did a workaround.  You can change the speed of a video clip in Powerdirector by simply using control > drag.  In other words, you can make it as fast or as slow as you want by merely dragging it.  So, I loaded a sequence of pngs into Powerdirector, and used Powerdirector to convert them to an AVI file.  Then I reloaded them back onto the Powerdirector time line, and shrunk the file a little.  After a little fiddling, it now syncs with the music file pretty well.

    All that may seem redundant, as Carrara already can output to AVI.  But the problem is that it is wonky, and doesn't always work.

    that seems workable 

    a video editor that imports image series easier though 

    again I recommend Blender 

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  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    Wendy, thanks for the recommendation.  I am not opposed to using Blender.  I've used it for exporting different files as objs.  I'll look at some tutorials, because with the exception of those very specific actions, I'm pretty clueless in the Blender UI.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220

    I meanwhile am updating Powerdirector

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    I have Powerdirector 14.  It is pretty old.  Still, I remember that it was more functional than previous versions.  I think that 14 was the first version that outputted mp4.

    I also watched a video about importing sequenced files in Blender.  It looks fairly easy.  But the "framerate" issue is still foggy.  The author found that his sequence was laggy, and couldn't adjust the framerate, so he went to an effects tab and doubled the speed.  It appears that you cannot adjust the framerate of the sequence in Blender with any fps precision.

    The way I see it (probably wrong) is that if the frame rate is 25 fps, then each frame has to be .04 seconds long.  And yet, I haven't seen those numbers work in an editor yet.

    I may still be missing something important, so I am staying humble during this search. :)

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220
    edited May 2023

    well the video I linked before worked for me

    for 30fps

    0.02 in preferences 

    0.1 all selected rightclick duration on timeline 

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220
    edited May 2023

    UnifiedBrain said:

    I have Powerdirector 14.  It is pretty old.  Still, I remember that it was more functional than previous versions.  I think that 14 was the first version that outputted mp4.

    I also watched a video about importing sequenced files in Blender.  It looks fairly easy.  But the "framerate" issue is still foggy.  The author found that his sequence was laggy, and couldn't adjust the framerate, so he went to an effects tab and doubled the speed.  It appears that you cannot adjust the framerate of the sequence in Blender with any fps precision.

    The way I see it (probably wrong) is that if the frame rate is 25 fps, then each frame has to be .04 seconds long.  And yet, I haven't seen those numbers work in an editor yet.

    I may still be missing something important, so I am staying humble during this search. :)

    Blender I just import sequence with all selected whatever fps is set that's what it is

    if its 24 then it renders that many

    I choose  

    my setup

    30fps for this one

    I use FFmpeg container MPEG4 with audio codec mp3 

    then top left

    render

    render animation 

    by default saves in C: tmp

     

    Blender video 

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  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588
    edited May 2023

    Wendy, I was certain that YOU could get something to work.  The problem is, the devil is in the details for someone at my level of experience.

    However, I finally solved the problem!  Basically, I think that your comments about framerates caused me to go back and stop experimenting, and to instead get the framerates solid from the get-go.  I redid my sequence in Carrara at 24 fps.  Then I opened Powerdirector and set the preferences to 24 fps.  Then I loaded the audio file, and then the sequences.  Then set the sequences to .01.  Lo and behold, that seemed to do the trick this time.  I may have been unknowingly messing up the framerate previously when I was experimenting.  Gotta do everthing in order it seems.

    Note - I have discovered that sometimes in Carrara, when rendering the png sequence, that it will just sometimes just disappear after the render is finished.  There is literally nothing in the render room - not even an empty container.  But when I look at where the render is supposed to be saved - a temporary windows file on the C drive - it is there.  Not sure why this happens, but happy to know that when it disappears that it is not lost.

    Thanks for your efforts!  I now have a fairly reliable workflow, and can start animating the characters knowing that it will likely work.  One small step for UB...

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220

    UnifiedBrain, I hope you never save to the default location surprise

    C:\Documents\DAZ 3D\DazTmp

    Carrara loves deleting images saved there while leaviing lots of other useless stuff that accumulates surprise

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    No, I don't save there, thanks for the warning..  I almost never save anything on the C drive.  But I am grateful for the file being there for obvious reasons. :)

    Bunyip, thanks for the comment on the Lost World render!

  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,193

    Bunyip02 said:

    ed3D said:

    &    Another  ^  Thanx

    the Big SunSet  - or -  Greetings from SomeWhere Else    

    Awesome !!!

    &    Thanx Very Much    + 

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,169

    Bowling Animation Update - attempt to add Bolwing Alley Polka music

    Please let me know if the link does not work.  Dio Bowling Entry Carrara 66  Video link

     

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    The link worked.  Good effort!  The sound was a little scratchy, and a little earlier than the action.

  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 8,627

    UnifiedBrain said:

    The link worked.  Good effort!  The sound was a little scratchy, and a little earlier than the action.

    +1 yes

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    I have an animation question about several characters singing a song.

    I created a key frame sequence of the first chorus for one character.  It included visemes and head movement.  Is there any way that I can use that sequence for a different character?  I tried making an NLA clip of the original sequence, and applying to a new (different) character.  Didn't work. :(

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220
    edited May 2023

    UnifiedBrain said:

    I have an animation question about several characters singing a song.

    I created a key frame sequence of the first chorus for one character.  It included visemes and head movement.  Is there any way that I can use that sequence for a different character?  I tried making an NLA clip of the original sequence, and applying to a new (different) character.  Didn't work. :(

    depends on the base

    V,M,A,H4 etc should work on each other with base morphs 

    likewise V,M,A.H3

    but not between generations as not unimesh

    also make sure expanded the morphs are ticked

    also prior to genesis + Fenrics pz2 exporter supports morphs but BVH only bones

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  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,193

    Tomorrow Yesterday said:

    Bowling Animation Update - attempt to add Bolwing Alley Polka music

    Please let me know if the link does not work.  Dio Bowling Entry Carrara 66  Video link

    +  nice  ,  But  the sounds of the Strike is Before ball hits the Pins   +   Thanx 

  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,193
    edited May 2023

    And  the  " Duck "   added to  the rest of  the items 

    &    + Thanx  +

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  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,193

    UnifiedBrain said:

    I have Powerdirector 14.  It is pretty old.  Still, I remember that it was more functional than previous versions.  I think that 14 was the first version that outputted mp4.

    +  &  perhaps  " Could "   try  DaVinci Resolve     +  Thanx  +

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    UnifiedBrain said:

    I have an animation question about several characters singing a song.

    I created a key frame sequence of the first chorus for one character.  It included visemes and head movement.  Is there any way that I can use that sequence for a different character?  I tried making an NLA clip of the original sequence, and applying to a new (different) character.  Didn't work. :(

    depends on the base

    V,M,A,H4 etc should work on each other with base morphs 

    likewise V,M,A.H3

    but not between generations as not unimesh

    also make sure expanded the morphs are ticked

    also prior to genesis + Fenrics pz2 exporter supports morphs but BVH only bones

    None of this may apply to me currently, as I am using Daz animals, but good information, thanks.

    <<<also make sure expanded the morphs are ticked>>>

    Ticked where?

  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    ed3D said:

    UnifiedBrain said:

    I have Powerdirector 14.  It is pretty old.  Still, I remember that it was more functional than previous versions.  I think that 14 was the first version that outputted mp4.

    +  &  perhaps  " Could "   try  DaVinci Resolve     +  Thanx  +

    Thanks.  I looked at some Resolve video tutorials, and decided against exploring it any further.  For me the interface is as cold as ice.  But the bigger reason is that I have found no indication that there is any way to fine control the speed of sequenced images.  And as I mentioned earlier, since I found a way to make the process work in Powerdirector, the need for making a radical change is basically gone.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220

    DaVinci Resolve makes no sense to me whatsoever with it's nodes

    seems even a simple import and export of media needs some linked up voodoo

    even Blender in general isn't that complicated 

  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,193
    edited May 2023

    UnifiedBrain said:

    ed3D said:

    UnifiedBrain said:

    I have Powerdirector 14.  It is pretty old.  Still, I remember that it was more functional than previous versions.  I think that 14 was the first version that outputted mp4.

    +  &  perhaps  " Could "   try  DaVinci Resolve     +  Thanx  +

    Thanks.  I looked at some Resolve video tutorials, and decided against exploring it any further.  For me the interface is as cold as ice.  But the bigger reason is that I have found no indication that there is any way to fine control the speed of sequenced images.  And as I mentioned earlier, since I found a way to make the process work in Powerdirector, the need for making a radical change is basically gone.

    And  even  though  ,  You're not useing  Resolve  +  here is a 5 min  Tutorial  about setting  Clip Speeds 

    Casey Faris

     

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  • UnifiedBrainUnifiedBrain Posts: 3,588

    Wendy, I have the same opinion about node-based software. :)

    Ed3d, the guy in the video loaded a video clip.  That is different from sequenced images.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220
    edited May 2023

    UnifiedBrain said:

    Wendy, I have the same opinion about node-based software. :)

    Ed3d, the guy in the video loaded a video clip.  That is different from sequenced images.

    well it does import image series, I did do that

    I did try it once or twice but found it pretty complicated otherwise  ...and any features I actually wanted were paid version only

    just to import the series if I recall and export a damned mp4 you had to link up some bricks FFS

    when you eventually Google how to export that is as it's not obvious 

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,169

    Update Bowling.

    Trade-offs.

    https://youtu.be/bZLLHyO9BQA

  • ed3Ded3D Posts: 2,193
    edited May 2023

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    DaVinci Resolve makes no sense to me whatsoever with it's nodes

    seems even a simple import and export of media needs some linked up voodoo

    even Blender in general isn't that complicated 

    &  not  have troubl Video Edtor with it ( But use previous Version 14.3 )  Seems alright   +   No Voodos   +  Thanx  + 

    Post edited by ed3D on
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