OK, fine, I guess I'll make some DAZ stuff after all.

DodgerDodger Posts: 304
edited August 2023 in The Commons

Starting with the 70s. In space.

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  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,721

    yes

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 413
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    Interesting Blake's 7 outfit. They spent a large part of the shows budget on costume, Apparently the costume designer had some considerable influence and believed 'nothing says futuristic more than costume'  I would have said special effects and believable aliens do,. The spider in 'Harvest of Karos' was risible. The best non humanoid alien they had, they pinched from the Dr Who production, and then blew it up. ( in a quarry not suprisingly ). At least Brian Blessed got to do one of his signature shouting characters in an early episode, and Colin Baker had a chance to play a psychotic villian . The blaster was interesting because it was established early on that you were only allowed to hold one, except when the script found it convenient to hold more, also it was powered from a belt power pack, except when the cable snapped off.  Are you going to do other B7 costumes?

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  • TimbalesTimbales Posts: 2,333
    Excellent work
  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,169

    Now THERE'S a name I haven't seen in a long, long while ;)

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,755

    Holy frack!!!! love me some old school BSG and Buck Rodgers!!!! Need a Wilma Deering morph for that Buck Rodgers outfit!!

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,169

    Well done.  Brings back great memories.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,755
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    This totally made me want to open up DS and play around. It's amazing what models you can find on the Sketchup warehouse

     

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  • Gotta love 70s space-opera stuff.  laugh

    I wonder if there's any Space1999 stuff in the works for Daz.  Or maybe Space Academy. Or....  (tries to remember any other space-adventure stuff he saw back then....)

  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 8,624
    edited May 2023

    nomad-ads_8ecd56922e said:

    Gotta love 70s space-opera stuff.  laugh

    I wonder if there's any Space1999 stuff in the works for Daz.  Or maybe Space Academy. Or....  (tries to remember any other space-adventure stuff he saw back then....)

    https://www.imdb.com/list/ls000097386/

    https://www.imdb.com/list/ls050578746/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_films_of_the_1970s

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,058
    edited May 2023

    As far as I'm concerned, the most interesting designs for 70s SF were the ones for Gerry Anderson's U.F.O., which despite only lasting a single season in syndication, has ended up becoming a major inspiration for several generations of Japanese anime creators.  By comparison, I found the designs for Anderson's follow-up, Space 1999, to be bland and uninspired, even though the costumes were designed by a man who had become famous for the first topless woman's swimsuit.

       

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,058

    nomad-ads_8ecd56922e said:

    Gotta love 70s space-opera stuff.  laugh

    I wonder if there's any Space1999 stuff in the works for Daz.  Or maybe Space Academy. Or....  (tries to remember any other space-adventure stuff he saw back then....)

    Tehre's quite a bit of Space1999 and U.F.O. stuff available for Poser and V4, most of which converts to DAZ Studio quite well.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131

    cool

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 413

    Apparently U.F.O was pitched as a series for adults, but being a Gerry Anderson production it attracted children. It was notably more adult themed than the earlier puppet series, including elements like drug and alchohol use/abuse, and showing women shedding most of their clothes. Space 1999 was originally pitched as U.F.O 2 with the much expanded moonbase. 

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 413
    edited May 2023

    I feel Space 1999 suffered a similar problem to the original Lost In Space series. It started off quite well but got side tracked into a virtual parody, the shape changing alien woman pushed it into fantasy. 

    The rate at which the moon passed by alien planets ( a new one each week ), it must have been moving at several times light speed, so there would be no possibility of visiting any of those planets as it flashed past.

    Going back to Blake's 7 for a moment, they had the classic D&D team. Blake, the charismatic leader, Avon the wizard, Villa the thief, Gan the barbarian, Cally the mystic with special powers, and Jenna the skilled navigator/pilot.  Sadly in a world where most combat is with ranged weapons there was little for a barbarian to do, and Gan got written out. Oh and can't forget ZEN.

    I really liked the character progression, especially Avon, who went from trusting no-one to being totally paranoid that everyone was trying to kill him, even including Blake in the end. To be fair, most people he met did try to kill him, so perhaps it's understandable.

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,511

    Science shows written my non-sciencey writers.crying  Just call it bad comedy and be done with it.cheeky

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 1,984

    background said:

    I feel Space 1999 suffered a similar problem to the original Lost In Space series. It started off quite well but got side tracked into a virtual parody, the shape changing alien woman pushed it into fantasy. 

    I ignored completly season two. 
    Loved season 1, hated / still hate season 2 

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 413
    edited May 2023

    I felt original Lost in Space, and Space 1999 had some excellent sets and props ( even though the Jupiter II seemed to have more decks than looked possible on exterior shots ), someone had put a lot of effort into the designs, it was a great pity that a lot of that effort was wasted imho by scripts that went to almost cartoon level.

    Some of the guest writers made strange choices, for example the writer of the Space 1999 episode 'The rules of Luton' who was foreign saw a roadsign with Luton on it and thought 'hey that's unusual, and a great name for an alien planet ( not realising that Luton is a well known international airport in the UK ).

    If you like parody check out 'Blake's Junction 7' on youtube, some well known actors and keenly observed wit.

     

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,058

    background said:

    Apparently U.F.O was pitched as a series for adults, but being a Gerry Anderson production it attracted children. It was notably more adult themed than the earlier puppet series, including elements like drug and alchohol use/abuse, and showing women shedding most of their clothes. Space 1999 was originally pitched as U.F.O 2 with the much expanded moonbase. 

    Yeah, Space 1999 literally began as a re-tooling of U.F.O. 1999, which was to be U.F.O.'s second season in which the Moon and the SHADO Moonbase were blown out of orbit.  U.F.O.'s main problem was that Sir Lew Grade, whose ITC had owned Anderson's Century21 since the mid-sxties, was obsessed with selling a show to one of the three U.S. networks, and would cancel otherwise quite sucessful shows like THUNDERBIRDS in the hopes of getting a new show that one of the big 3 would go for.   While U.F.O.'s initial ratings were fairly high, they began to slip as the season wore on, in no small part because since it was syndicated, it was playing in a very haphazard pattern and would often be moved or pre-empted for local programing.  IIRC, it was on sunday afternoon at first in Washington DC, then moved to a much later time slot with no warning.  Of course, Space 1999 fared no better as far as getting a network sale, even when that show was massively overhauled in it's second season by bringing in a U.S. producer who'd worked on STAR TREK.  Too bad that guy was Freddie Freiberger, who apparently speciallized in coming in on popular series and killing them, as he produced the thrid, last, and by unaimous aclaim worst season of STAR TREK T.O.S., went on to kill SPACE 1999 with numerous (and universally disliked) cast and story changes, followed by producing the last season of THE SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN, and did it yet again with the abomination that was the second and last season of BUCK ROGERS.

     

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 413
    edited May 2023

    When I was a schoolboy watching the Gerry Anderson puppet series I was convinced they were American shows owing to the high proportion of US voices, in retrospect this was one way they were trying to get into the American market. Back then there was no Internet, and the only source of information came from TV schedule magazines and articles in comics, and those cost too much for my two shillings a week allowance. I could get a series 1 Airfix kit from the paper shop with my two bob, so the comics stayed on the shelf.

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  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,627

    background said:

    Interesting Blake's 7 outfit. They spent a large part of the shows budget on costume, Apparently the costume designer had some considerable influence and believed 'nothing says futuristic more than costume'  I would have said special effects and believable aliens do,. The spider in 'Harvest of Karos' was risible. The best non humanoid alien they had, they pinched from the Dr Who production, and then blew it up. ( in a quarry not suprisingly ). At least Brian Blessed got to do one of his signature shouting characters in an early episode, and Colin Baker had a chance to play a psychotic villian . The blaster was interesting because it was established early on that you were only allowed to hold one, except when the script found it convenient to hold more, also it was powered from a belt power pack, except when the cable snapped off.  Are you going to do other B7 costumes?

    At least for Blake's 7 there are already plenty of costumes in the store for Servelan, the ruler of the galaxy who seemed to mostly wear elegant cocktail dresses.

    The Battlestar Galactica helmets looked really sci-fi but I always thought the position of those lights must be really distracting. They would probably mess up your night vision (space vision?) and I couldn't see the point of them.

     

  • backgroundbackground Posts: 413
    edited May 2023

    Yup, Servalan was a pretty strong minded woman like "I don't care if it is an alien planet that looks like an abandoned quarry, I'm going to wear my posh frock and that's final".  

    I felt the Galactica helmets were trying to push the 'brothers of ancient egyptians' motif.

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,058
    edited May 2023

    background said:

    When I was a schoolboy watching the Gerry Anderson puppet series I was convinced they were American shows owing to the high proportion of US voices, in retrospect this was one way they were trying to get into the American market. Back then there was no Internet, and the only source of information came from TV schedule magazines and articles in comics, and those cost too much for my two shillings a week allowance. I could get a series 1 Airfix kit from the paper shop with my two bob, so the comics stayed on the shelf.

    There were a few American actors who lived in the U.K fulltime, with U.F.O./CAPTAIN SCARLET star Ed Bishop being one of the most visible, popping up in a number of the Bond films as well as a very prominent bit in 2001- A SPACE ODYSSEY... (I recently ran across him playing an American political aide to what was clearly hinted at as being the Nixon administration in a shot-in-the-U.K. sexploitation flick starring porn actress Christina Hart!)  But mostly those voices were Brits doing fairly convincing accents.  If you're an actor in the U.K., or Australia you HAVE to learn to do an American accent if you want to work in film or TV, hence the reason that half of the actors in U.S. productions these days are imports.   

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  • backgroundbackground Posts: 413

    Cybersox said:

    background said:

    When I was a schoolboy watching the Gerry Anderson puppet series I was convinced they were American shows owing to the high proportion of US voices, in retrospect this was one way they were trying to get into the American market. Back then there was no Internet, and the only source of information came from TV schedule magazines and articles in comics, and those cost too much for my two shillings a week allowance. I could get a series 1 Airfix kit from the paper shop with my two bob, so the comics stayed on the shelf.

    There were a few American actors who lived in the U.K fulltime, with U.F.O./CAPTAIN SCARLET star Ed Bishop being one of the most visible, popping up in a number of the Bond films as well as a very prominent bit in 2001- A SPACE ODYSSEY... (I recently ran across him playing an American political aide to what was clearly hinted at as being the Nixon administration in a shot-in-the-U.K. sexploitation flick starring porn actress Christina Hart!)  But mostly those voices were Brits doing fairly convincing accents.  If you're an actor in the U.K., or Australia you HAVE to learn to do an American accent if you want to work in film or TV, hence the reason that half of the actors in U.S. productions these days are imports.   

    I'm surprised. While an English schoolboy might not tell the difference between a voice actor putting on an American accent and a genuine American accent I would have thought an American would spot the difference immediately , in a similar way to when American or Australian actors try to do a British accent.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 3,335

    background said:

    I felt the Galactica helmets were trying to push the 'brothers of ancient egyptians' motif.

    Agreed.

  • DodgerDodger Posts: 304

    background said:

    Interesting Blake's 7 outfit. They spent a large part of the shows budget on costume, Apparently the costume designer had some considerable influence and believed 'nothing says futuristic more than costume'  I would have said special effects and believable aliens do,. The spider in 'Harvest of Karos' was risible. The best non humanoid alien they had, they pinched from the Dr Who production, and then blew it up. ( in a quarry not suprisingly ). At least Brian Blessed got to do one of his signature shouting characters in an early episode, and Colin Baker had a chance to play a psychotic villian . The blaster was interesting because it was established early on that you were only allowed to hold one, except when the script found it convenient to hold more, also it was powered from a belt power pack, except when the cable snapped off.  Are you going to do other B7 costumes?

    Yes, I have already done a Federation Trooper for my klingon-not-klingon figure freebie over at ShareCG, and I am going to convert that to G8 as well

     

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  • DodgerDodger Posts: 304

    Peter Wade said:

    The Battlestar Galactica helmets looked really sci-fi but I always thought the position of those lights must be really distracting. They would probably mess up your night vision (space vision?) and I couldn't see the point of them.

    They were actually meant to be a force field emitter, so they could leave out the glass and make the faces easier to see. I vastly prefer this over the typical "we put lights inside the space helmet because derp derp that makes sense" approach that even hard stuff like Firefly and The Expanse has done. (Though Star Wars *never has*!)

  • DodgerDodger Posts: 304

    nomad-ads_8ecd56922e said:

    Gotta love 70s space-opera stuff.  laugh

    I wonder if there's any Space1999 stuff in the works for Daz.  Or maybe Space Academy. Or....  (tries to remember any other space-adventure stuff he saw back then....)

    Funny you should ask.

  • DodgerDodger Posts: 304

    background said:

    Yup, Servalan was a pretty strong minded woman like "I don't care if it is an alien planet that looks like an abandoned quarry, I'm going to wear my posh frock and that's final".  

    To be fair, if she hadn't she'd never get to wear what she wanted because all the alien planets looked like gravel quarries.

    Largely in part because they shot almost entirely in gravel quarries. That they had already secured for Doctor Who.

  • DodgerDodger Posts: 304

    background said:

    I'm surprised. While an English schoolboy might not tell the difference between a voice actor putting on an American accent and a genuine American accent I would have thought an American would spot the difference immediately , in a similar way to when American or Australian actors try to do a British accent.

    Depends on the actor. I mean, John Barrowman and Hugh Laurie and Emilia Jones are expert level. But then there's Nicola Bryant, Jason Statham, Pierce Brosnan, and, well, Kevin Costner, which is funny because Kevin Costner is American, but he can't do any accent other than his native one (that ... whatever in JFK... what even was that?)

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