OT Hurricane Hilary

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  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,694
    edited August 2023

    Yikes. Have an earthquake with a side order of rain water? No thanks. When I left Newfoundland, Canada for Ontario, in December of 1984 I thought I was saying goodbye to the friendliest place on earth with the worst weather ever. The footage is old (1983). Now,  I question what worse weather is. a tornado, a hurricane, a flood, a blizzard, a fire (lightning regions), sinkholes (rainy climates), or an earthquake. I honestly don't know which is worse. Sometimes inland is not always safer than coastal living. It seems no matter where you live the weather will always get you, one way or another, so you may as well live in the environment you love. Of all the places I have lived or travelled, Hawaii yanked on my heart strings but it is prone to so many natural disasters . . .  The rain today is fairly heavy, but I have seen heavier torrents in Victoria BC. The winds don't seem as bad as I thought they would be by now, and as mentioned earlier, the Santa Ana winds at this point, seem far worse than this. Our roof has 26 solar (electric) panels and the other side has six or so solar (water) panels for pool and I'm not hearing those tunnel noises from the roof yet. Hopefully it stays that way. The plywood is still staring at me as if to say, "Do you plan to leave us here?" I'm thinking yes, because the house has too many vulnerable windows. But, I did go out in the rain and get the Kolbalt, in case I change my mind.

    Edit: Yikes!  Yikes! Yikes! Giving the wood a third-thought.

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  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,286

    I'm still waiting for a plague of frogs.

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,762
    edited August 2023

    One of the lessons with preparedness, is to know it is better to have it and not need it, rather than needing it and not having it.

    Some severe weather images coming from all this.The Baja raging torrent looked threatening. The downgrade to a tropical depression reduce the wind threat but the amount of water falling was still staggering. Then an earthquake on top of all that. Hopefully it will get weaker as it continues northward. Let's hope the worst is over. Let us know you're all alright.

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,511
    edited August 2023

    One thing I didn't think of regarding hurricane preparedness in California, is runoff from the mountains.  Florida is short on mountains, and the water from the sky just lays there and doesn't gang rush people in in a massively erosive torrent.frown

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  • That was it?! Hilary, you dissappoint. And to think I couldn't get any brisket at Bristol Farms yesterday for this?!

  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,179
    edited August 2023

    I guess Hilary still brings lots of rainfall even though it's no longer a tropical cyclone. At where I live there is a saying that even though you didn't get a direct hit by the typhoon you would still have heavy rainfall in the coming three days - seems to be true though.

    Since Katrina we know that the flooding due to typhoon is deadlier. It's heartbreaking to see that in my neighbor city a couple of shop owners drowned in their own shops and people drowned in underground car parks when we were hit by a Category 5 typhoon, and our local government took several months to clear the fallen trees (!).

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,511
    edited August 2023

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    That was it?! Hilary, you dissappoint. And to think I couldn't get any brisket at Bristol Farms yesterday for this?!

    That's the type of thing that people in Florida say about 4 out of 5 hurricanes they experience.indecision  But it only takes one big one to make a believer.

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  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,762
    edited August 2023

    All you need is one of those fast moving mudslides to rip through your neighbourhood to make it all quite horrible and destructive while other areas of a large geographic area go unscathed. We have yet to hear from ArtAngel since yesterday. Hopefully its just electrical issues.

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  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,169

    Hope everyone has been spared damage, and as much water as feasible has been harvested instead of runoff.

  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,179

    TheMysteryIsThePoint said:

    That was it?! Hilary, you dissappoint. And to think I couldn't get any brisket at Bristol Farms yesterday for this?!

    That's the type of thing that people in Florida say about 4 out of 5 hurricanes they experience.indecision  But it only takes one big one to make a believer.

    True. I still remember how other folks in my city and I felt our apartments shaking in a Category 5 typhoon - and we live in concrete buildings and that typhoon made landfall 100 km away from my city. I was so horrified that till this day whenever a typhoon is forecasted to make landfall near my city I will be really worried.
  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,115

    @ArtAngel, I hope everything is going okay at your home and neighborhood? 

    Mary

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,694
    edited August 2023

    memcneil70 said:

    @ArtAngel, I hope everything is going okay at your home and neighborhood? 

    Mary

    Yes, thanks for asking. The worst winds for us came after 10 pm Sunday. Lost three birds. But I did take your advice and bring in as many as I could. Aviary has concrete floor with drains but the right end is next to a bank (with stucco wall) that houses a large waterfall. What i thought was a clump of mud on the aviary floor, had a leg twitching. It was a diamond dove on it's back near dead. Bought it in and ran very warm water over it, numerous times, wrapped in microwave heated towels and force fed it via a straw. It actually survived and I was able to release it back yesterday afternoon. Two windows to replace (something hit a moon shaped window so that might be a tough one to replace. I have a dirty patio but clean skylights. Now I know what to do if it happens again (hopefully never) thanks to the tips I got. Even though it is Wednesday, I have been so busy with the backyard cleanup, Needless to say the pool is a mess. And suddenly we have a ton of mosquitos. Yesterday I resorted to wearing long-sleeved pajamas outside. I have not yet checked the front yard. Maybe I should do that . . .  

    Out front, in terrace, lost one huge ceramic tree stump gnome village with fairy houses (broken to pieces. It was so big . . . so heavy . . . sitting on a low wrought iron table, thought it was safe. One plant uprooted (pot still there) that's it, I think. Palm Springs is 45 miles from us , while LA is about 60 miles away. We are sandwiched between both. Palm Springs got hit the hardest.

    Never been to Oklahoma but hubby has. His Mom, a third generation Minister, (the Mills family - farmers, ministers) was born-raised in Oklahoma. Her Dad was also her public school teacher. She moved to Missouri after she married.

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  • CHWTCHWT Posts: 1,179
    Glad to know that you are safe ArtAngel !
  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,762
    edited August 2023

    It is good to hear you made it through ArtAngel. Based on the tube videos online, some areas got whalloped by the storm with water runoff and mud. Might explain the mosquitos, with the standing water. Since the last tropical storm of this size was in 1939 hopefully it will be a while until it happens again.  Still with the changing climate,  and all the extreme weather patterns of late, outside shutters might be a useful investment. It's alot easier to hinge close a shutter and latch it,  than to put up plywood if the need arises again.  And I'll suggest an acrylic lexan plexiglas for your moon window. It can be hand cut on site and it never breaks.

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,681
    edited August 2023
    Acrylic/Perspex/Polymethylmethacrylate/PMMA is a good choice for difficult windows and is about 4x more shatter resistant than glass. It can be cut at home with hand tools or home style power tools. The thinner it is, the more difficult it is to cut without cracking it a bit (talking 2mm thick/ 3/32" type thin. It's relatively easy at 6mm/ 1/4"). Polycarbonate/Lexan/Makralon is much, much tougher even than acrylic and is vastly more difficult to shatter, but does yellow rather faster than acrylic due to UV damage and you can get surface microcracking in time (seems like a white haze on the surface). But it's tough - which is why it's often the outer shell of motorcycle helmets. Please note I'm using UK names and trade names for these two plastics, I think they are the same in the US but am not 100% certain. Regards, Richard.
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  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 4,115

    My reaction to the moon window as to suggest a custom stained glass window be made for it! I think the guys above have better, more realistic ideas. 

    During my military career I ended up in plenty of climates, but Oklahoma was the challenge. I arrived a days before a week of tornadoes tore through Tornado Alley and was made dorm chief for 175 women, had no experience with this weather and no chance for the intro briefings, and when the first hit, we had two women out missing, and could only hunker down on the bottom floor hallway of an old WWII barracks. That one moved a C-5A off its moorings. I spent sixteen months there, numerous storms, some deaths and a near miss for myself when out taking photographs.

    With natural disasters becoming so wild, weird, and everywhere now, I think every person needs to be prepare their homes, have a Go Bag, a rally point, and raise their kids to know what to do if 'home alone' when disaster hits. And that also includes thinking about your computer back-ups and having off-site storage for a fail safe, in case you have to start your computer life over from a new computer with no old one to copy from. Think family photos, history and papers. Since 2018, I have watched three towns now burn completely down, Paradise CA, the Marshall Fire took out Superior, CO, part of Louisville, CO and a bit of Broomfield, and now Maui, HI. 

    Reading the BBC app, I see floods, mudslides, fires, hurricanes, typhoons at a rate I haven't seen in my 71 years.

    Take care everyone,

    Mary

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,694

    Because of all the helpful hints, I wish I had named this thread 'Disaster Preparedness' so people would share their experiences with tornadoes, flooding, fires etc.

    @FirstBastion I love the shutter idea. Shutters would be great but I don't know how I'd reach it to open/close.Will google Lexan.

    @memcneil70 You should write a memoir. I am not kidding. I say that because a memoir is about a portion of your life or an event in your life. And, I suspect like me, an autobiography (about your life) would need a fork-lift to carry such a giant sized volume. But a memoir (or memoirs) is doable..And I like your stain glass idea. Do they make plexi-glass stained glass? I do own alcohol paints and dyes . . . 

    richardandtracy said:

    Acrylic/Perspex/Polymethylmethacrylate/PMMA is a good choice for difficult windows and is about 4x more shatter resistant than glass. It can be cut at home with hand tools or home style power tools. The thinner it is, the more difficult it is to cut without cracking it a bit (talking 2mm thick/ 3/32" type thin. It's relatively easy at 6mm/ 1/4"). Polycarbonate/Lexan/Makralon is much, much tougher even than acrylic and is vastly more difficult to shatter, but does yellow rather faster than acrylic due to UV damage and you can get surface microcracking in time (seems like a white haze on the surface). But it's tough - which is why it's often the outer shell of motorcycle helmets. Please note I'm using UK names and trade names for these two plastics, I think they are the same in the US but am not 100% certain. Regards, Richard.

    I forgot about that. When we photographed racing events, at the motocross and Supercross venues, you'd see the visor strips of protective film fly through the air as drivers peeled the dirty ones away. On that trailer we had two wood strips that 1/4 inch plexi-glass slid into, to protect laminated printed posters of our 'money-shots'. We bought all the plexi-glass from a place that specializes in plastics. Over time the 1/4 inch warped with the sun and discolored slightly. But I admit, they were not a tight fit. So warping in the hot pits was inevitable. Especially at the Arizona venues for boat racers. I use 1/8 plexi-glass to protect the aviary walls during winter months, and partial areas during windier non-winter days. It has broken over time  (probably due to the drilled holes weakening it) but the 6 ft pieces I zip-tied to the back aviary are intact since 2014. Some of those came from a different aviary I had  built back in 2006. The rear panels are jammed between the back stucco brick capped wall and the cage wire. Wnd movement is close to nil. The side wall  cracked due to stress and winds. Recently while deconstructing the first half of the aviary I stored some sheets  of plexi-glass, removed from the back, against a palapa bar pole. While removing the top half of the roof arch, I slipped off a step stool and the plexi-glass broke my fall but did break. I think the idea is really good but my concern is how dull it gets if it is not regularly cleaned. The moon (half moon window) is too high up on second level outside for me to reach. I currently have security cammera on eave just above it. One is broke. Think I can find someone to unscrew and replace that sucker? Nope. I guess seeing the camera is broke I could just blast it with the garden hose once a week . . . hmmm. I built a narrow cubby in the shed to hold it upright when stored, else it warps if left outside. The 1/4 inch has never broken. This photo has a 1/4 inch piece sticking out from roof and a 1/8 inch on walls. Crack is on left side. .https://gcdn.daz3d.com/gallery/image/1305593/1692890923/main.jpg Am googling Makrolon. Thanks

     

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,762
    edited August 2023

    ArtAngel said:

    Because of all the helpful hints, I wish I had named this thread 'Disaster Preparedness' so people would share their experiences with tornadoes, flooding, fires etc.

    @FirstBastion I love the shutter idea. Shutters would be great but I don't know how I'd reach it to open/close.Will google Lexan.

    @memcneil70 You should write a memoir. I am not kidding. I say that because a memoir is about a portion of your life or an event in your life. And, I suspect like me, an autobiography (about your life) would need a fork-lift to carry such a giant sized volume. But a memoir (or memoirs) is doable..And I like your stain glass idea. Do they make plexi-glass stained glass? I do own alcohol paints and dyes . . .

     

    You can make a stained glass window,  and place a sheet of protective plexiglass on the exterior to protect it from the elements.

    There are shutter optiosn that can be opened and closed from the inside of the window.  And there are motorized shutters options too. They cost a bit more because they are usually used in commercial applications,  but for hard to reach windows a motorized roll shutter might be worth investigating.

    Lexan is just a brand of polycarbonate clear sheeting with many uses. https://www.acplasticsinc.com/informationcenter/r/what-is-lexan

     

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