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Is AI killing the 3D star?

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456
    edited November 2023

    The more the merrier...

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456
    edited November 2023

    Could piglets play a game - sure, they can...

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456
    edited November 2023

    What game is that...

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456
    edited November 2023

    What a legs...

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,208

    I feel like bacon now devil

  • Dim ReaperDim Reaper Posts: 687
    edited November 2023

    After spending a few days trying out different options with Easy Diffusion, this afternoon I had a go at using the results as a background in DS and adding figures.  I'm happy with the results, but want to work a bit more on the lighting of the figures and the casting of shadows.  Overall though, I wouldn't feel happy passing this off as a render in the gallery, since only the figures were really done in DS.  Great though if you wanted to make a selection of Christmas cards for friends, each one unique - 10 minutes to get the AI to spit out 30 images, 5 minutes to select the acceptable ones, then drop into DS and render with the figures, repeat with the next image.

    Unfortunately, although the ability to do this directly in DS would be nice, I can't see it happening because it would seriously impact sales from props and scenery, and this would not only affect Daz3D, but the vendors here who make scenery.

    IMAGE REMOVED at request of other users and moved to Art Studio thread.

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  • Dim ReaperDim Reaper Posts: 687

    @artini - I Love the pigs around the poker table.  I'm also impressed that you managed to get four figures all doing the same thing (and also not sitting "in" the table).

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456
    edited November 2023

    Where did they go?

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456
    edited November 2023

    At the Opera...

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456
    edited November 2023

    On the stage...

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  • RobotHeadArtRobotHeadArt Posts: 917

    There is a thread in the Art Studio for posting your AI art.  https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591121/remixing-your-art-with-ai#latest ; Can we please stay on topic in this thread on the impact of AI on Daz/3D art and not the images themselves.

  • PerttiAPerttiA Posts: 10,024

    RobotHeadArt said:

    There is a thread in the Art Studio for posting your AI art.  https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591121/remixing-your-art-with-ai#latest ; Can we please stay on topic in this thread on the impact of AI on Daz/3D art and not the images themselves.

    +1 

  • paulawp (marahzen)paulawp (marahzen) Posts: 1,370

    My stance remains as it was. Until AI reaches a point in which you can reliably reuse objects from a scene to make future scenes with full continuity, or alter things about a scene predictably (eg, put a different shirt on a figure that otherwise remains exactly the same, rotate the camera to exactly where you want it, set the time of day or weather exactly as you intend, arrange figures in the exact poses and positions relative to each other and other objects in the scene that you want, etc) it's literally a different hobby than products like Daz. Do you want a "make art" button? AI is for you. Do you want full control over scenes? Daz and other 3D products are what you're looking for. That doesn't mean that AI won't get there at some point and it doesn't mean that you can't usefully refine a Daz image with AI (I've seen that done to worthwhile effect). It doesn't even mean that a given person might not like both products and processes for what they are and can do. But until that point, AI does not supplant Daz and 3D products like it for what they can do.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,954

    RobotHeadArt said:

    There is a thread in the Art Studio for posting your AI art.  https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/591121/remixing-your-art-with-ai#latest ; Can we please stay on topic in this thread on the impact of AI on Daz/3D art and not the images themselves.

    ++1

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621

    Artini said:

    A 3D renderings is my hobby, and I am trying to use many tools available to me,

    including AI.

     ...so I had a look in the AI thread in the art forum, and now have a better understanding of what you're doing, or trying to do:) Have to admit there's some cool stuff going on. Not going to go down that route at this point and time, but wish you the best of luck exploring this "new" tech!

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,208

    Sven Dullah said:

    Artini said:

    A 3D renderings is my hobby, and I am trying to use many tools available to me,

    including AI.

     ...so I had a look in the AI thread in the art forum, and now have a better understanding of what you're doing, or trying to do:) Have to admit there's some cool stuff going on. Not going to go down that route at this point and time, but wish you the best of luck exploring this "new" tech!

    I share  Artin's view in that all of this 3D too, just a hobby for me

    I also agree with those against AI taking jobs away

    it's like sewing a dress copying a designer for yourself versus selling knock offs

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,954

    AI is not only a technology but a mindset as well. I'm embracing and learning it even though I'm a serious 3D hobbyist. I just don't wanna be left behind...

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,120

    Artini said:

    Glad you asked,

    so here comes Happy Piglets

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    Your ComfyUI images are great. I like their "Paint by Number" style.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456

    Thanks, Nonesuch00, and I like this style, as well.

     

     

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,691

    magnificent pigs, hopefully they have a spider friend or two

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,691
    edited November 2023

    damn, forum goblins made me double post lol

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  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456

    Sven Dullah said:

    Artini said:

    A 3D renderings is my hobby, and I am trying to use many tools available to me,

    including AI.

     ...so I had a look in the AI thread in the art forum, and now have a better understanding of what you're doing, or trying to do:) Have to admit there's some cool stuff going on. Not going to go down that route at this point and time, but wish you the best of luck exploring this "new" tech!

    Thanks for understanding and all the best for you.

     

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456

    Dim Reaper said:

    @artini - I Love the pigs around the poker table.  I'm also impressed that you managed to get four figures all doing the same thing (and also not sitting "in" the table).

    Thanks. I was surprised, as well. Looks like the technology is reaching another level of usefullness for me.

     

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456

    TheKD said:

    magnificent pigs, hopefully they have a spider friend or two

    Thanks. Would be great to have such possibility to create similar images in Daz Studio.

    Maybe these new Daz Studio templates will evolve further, at some point.

     

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456

    Has anybody tried AI generators of 3D objects, like Wonder3D or ShapE?

    I have tried ShapE, but the generated props are constructed from triangles

    and are not UV mapped. I have fixed UV mapping in Blender.

    The recommendation is to retopologize them, but I have not tried it.

     

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,336
    edited November 2023

    paulawp (marahzen) said:

     

    [Until AI reaches a point in which you can reliably reuse objects from a scene to make future scenes with full continuity, or alter things about a scene predictably (eg, put a different shirt on a figure that otherwise remains exactly the same, rotate the camera to exactly where you want it, set the time of day or weather exactly as you intend, arrange figures in the exact poses and positions relative to each other and other objects in the scene that you want, etc) it's literally a different hobby than products like Daz.]

    While I don't know what AI software they are using, a former Daz artist on Instagram has gotten seriously into AI, and seems to have successfully developed a character which he uses in different settings, scenes and obviously clothes,  and I must admit it's rather impressive.  AI characters in fact now have their own sites, so it seems that AI is at the cusp of reaching that point you're talking about.  "Reliably" seems to be the key point, but seeing as some of these creators have reached a level of reliability I'd say now that it really depends on how much time and effort someone wants to spend on developing and learning the skills -- like any craft.   Having dabbled in it briefly I can attest to the fact that if you're trying to get precisely what you want using AI is much more than a "make art button". 

    But then again, a lot of "artists" say the same thing about people using Daz3d, that some of the people using Daz are saying about the users of AI ( the "10 click render" anyone? ).  The main point is that everybody using the tools aren't using them to make "art".  Tools are just that.  You can use a tool like Daz to make incredible art, or to make crude NSFW pin ups it's always been up to the individual how serious, or hobbyist they want to be about any pasttime.  I think the main problem many have is that a hobbyist can get professional level results without "paying the dues" serious artist think they should, rather like the way photographers look down on camera phone users, or musicians who have learned how to play an instrument look down on digital music creators.

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  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,828

    Artini said:

    Has anybody tried AI generators of 3D objects, like Wonder3D or ShapE?

    I have tried ShapE, but the generated props are constructed from triangles

    and are not UV mapped. I have fixed UV mapping in Blender.

    The recommendation is to retopologize them, but I have not tried it.


     

     

    Perhaps I am Biased (being an experienced 3D modeler myself) but the “meshes” I have seen,  that AI generates, are so bad that the time you spend cleaning them up would likely be better spent modeling them from scratch particularly if  it is a Character model that I plan to rig for animation 

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,669

    Artini said:

    Example cats generated with ComfyUI

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    ...

    Now, I've heard of  Polydactyle Maine Coons with up to 6 toes on their front paws, but I have yet to see a 7 legged cat. I hope I never do, as I suspect it's three too many to control.

    Regards,

    Richard

  • DartanbeckDartanbeck Posts: 21,568

    I don't use AI, but I think the 3D Star is getting killed by these horrendously irritating and insulting sales.

    I do agree that the contributing artists need to and deserve to make good money for their work. But if they want to scare away the folks that like to make a habit of buying, where will they be then? Flipping burgers at McDonalds, I suppose.

     

    Maybe it's time to try something... different.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 9,456

    wolf359 said:

    Artini said:

    Has anybody tried AI generators of 3D objects, like Wonder3D or ShapE?

    I have tried ShapE, but the generated props are constructed from triangles

    and are not UV mapped. I have fixed UV mapping in Blender.

    The recommendation is to retopologize them, but I have not tried it.


     

     

    Perhaps I am Biased (being an experienced 3D modeler myself) but the “meshes” I have seen,  that AI generates, are so bad that the time you spend cleaning them up would likely be better spent modeling them from scratch particularly if  it is a Character model that I plan to rig for animation 

    Thanks for the comments.

    I agree, the meshes are not that sofisticated, so I think, I use them as a props, mostly.

    I have not modelled any advanced props myself, so for quick scenes

    and for the rendering in Daz Studio with iray shaders, AI props will do the work.

     

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