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Usage for Lora Training?

joshuasmithjoshuasmith Posts: 1
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So is it possible to use a render to use for a lora training the EULA is complicated for me to understand part of it “License Restrictions” says no but the "Terms of Use. Two-Dimensional Works." section is a bit vague on AI training, it is a derivative because it is a render but it is not using the 3d content file itself, bullet points would be better for explanation then jargon only a lawyer can understand frown

So if you can help then "Please, speak as you might to a young child or a Golden Retriever. It wasn't brains that got me here, I can assure you that.", Having enough brains to make an account and download DAZ3D.

Any help would be appreciated smiley

 

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,755

    You can use any render "you" create for whatever you want. If you did not create it, then it is not yours to use, especially for AI

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220

    if you only intend using the LoRa on your own computer and not sharing it just the generated AI images you should be OK

    but I am not a lawyer

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,986

    The Content you bought and the 2D works you created are different things. As per the EULA, what's stated in 'License Restrictions' is related to the former. So as long as what you're gonna use are only the 2D works you created, just go ahead, at least for now.

    I'm not a lawyer either, and meanwhile, pls pay attention to any further modification of the EULA...

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,596

    Someone from DAZ needs to answer this because I seem to recall that they did not want AI users to train LORAs to the point where it could consistantly create a specific clothing item or unique character (because if shared, it would cut into that item's sales).

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,986

    SnowSultan said:

    Someone from DAZ needs to answer this because I seem to recall that they did not want AI users to train LORAs to the point where it could consistantly create a specific clothing item or unique character (because if shared, it would cut into that item's sales).

    Hmm...if there's EULA modification to restrict this... it might cut into overall sales...

  • joshuasmithjoshuasmith Posts: 1

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    if you only intend using the LoRa on your own computer and not sharing it just the generated AI images you should be OK

    but I am not a lawyer

    ok hypothetical here what if you then used the lora to make an image and then made a 3d model from it and distributed the model, Where are the lawyers?

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,948

    The relevant paragraph of the license would be:

    Terms of Use. Two-Dimensional Works. Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, User may (i) access, use, copy and modify the Content in the creation and presentation of two-dimensional animations and renderings, (ii) incorporate two-dimensional images (including two-dimensional images that simulate motion of three-dimensional objects) derived by User from the Content in User's other works, and (iii) publish, market, distribute, transfer, sell or sublicense User's two-dimensional animations, renderings and other works; provided that User may not in any case publish, market, distribute, transfer, sell or sublicense any renderings, animations, software applications, data or any other product from which any Content, or any part thereof, or any substantially similar version of the Content can be separately exported, extracted or de-compiled into any re-distributable form or format.

    which does not have any special clauses. - the nearest would eb the section at the end, since a comprehensive enough trained AI might in principle be able to produce views of the content from any angle.

    In general, for content that does not haev additional restrictions, it sjould be OK to use images to which you have title (that you rendered, or that were rendered by others under commission including such rights or as a work for hire) in AI training. However, there are a lot of open legal questions 9and suits) about the use of imagery in AI training - I am not immediately sure whether any of those are suggesting that use for training would require an explicit grant of license (i.e. if having "all rights" to a commissioned piece from befiore the emergence of AI would be deemed to include the, at the time unkthought of, right to train an AI from it); as I recall there were challenges when ebooks came out arguing that publishers did not automatically have the right to publish a title as an ebook if the author had agreed to let them publish in all formats, so such a challenge is not unthinkable.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,986

    joshuasmith said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    if you only intend using the LoRa on your own computer and not sharing it just the generated AI images you should be OK

    but I am not a lawyer

    ok hypothetical here what if you then used the lora to make an image and then made a 3d model from it and distributed the model, Where are the lawyers?

    If you were competent enough to create a 3D model based on a LORA 2D (trained in the way as above-mentioned) and then published it, and the content and assets associated with the model were sufficiently relevant for Daz to believe that it may be a clone or a pretty close approximation of some Daz product(s) (since Daz may not be aware of your workflow),  you would have chance to receive email(s) from Daz, or a lawyer on behalf of Daz, I suppose...

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,596

    To be safe, I'd go with a combination of what FSMC and Wendy said - if you train the LORA yourself and use it for your own personal purposes, it's probably OK. If you share the LORA, you could be asking for trouble.

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 6,986

    SnowSultan said:

    To be safe, I'd go with a combination of what FSMC and Wendy said - if you train the LORA yourself and use it for your own personal purposes, it's probably OK. If you share the LORA, you could be asking for trouble.

    LORA model is totally different from the 3D model OP mentioned... but I won't further comment though that's a grey area...

  • joshuasmithjoshuasmith Posts: 1

    ok thanks everyone, curiousity satisified because no eula in the world could even be simplified to bullet points

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,220

    joshuasmith said:

    ok thanks everyone, curiousity satisified because no eula in the world could even be simplified to bullet points

    this is a user forum of peers

    if you want bullet points you need to ask DAZ themselves via a ticket 

  • joshuasmithjoshuasmith Posts: 1

    Per https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/651506/usage-for-lora-training i have had some understanding of what is okay and not but it would be nice for the eula to be in bullet form and not in a language only a lawyer can understand, is it okay for a lora to be created for either a character, style or a concept, or is it just not okay, full stop, this would help clear up any future confusion from future users

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 100,948

    joshuasmith said:

    Per https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/651506/usage-for-lora-training i have had some understanding of what is okay and not but it would be nice for the eula to be in bullet form and not in a language only a lawyer can understand, is it okay for a lora to be created for either a character, style or a concept, or is it just not okay, full stop, this would help clear up any future confusion from future users

    Please don't start a new thead when you already have one on the topic, especially as it is not a Daz Studio application topic but a content licensing topic.

    The EULA is a legal document, it is unavoidably written in language that meets the legal advisers requirements in order to ensure that Daz does not open loopholes.

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