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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,244

    I only have 7 OSO3D products, but I find them unusual and creative. Here is a little showcase of renders of those products that I own. OSO Elder is fun to blend into other characters. The Alienator that was part of the OSO Alien Scenery product was so fantastic, I bought the Pro version when Totte released it.

     

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  • HylasHylas Posts: 4,988

    Oso3D said:

    The forums used to be a place where people would excitedly show others the cool things they were doing with new products.

    Now it's mainly complaining about prices, unrelenting negativity about everything, and... it really makes me sad. I only occasionally look in The Commons for topics that might relate to my products. Only bright spot is some of the enthusiastic stuff for UltraScenery in the Commercial subforum.

     

    The problem with negativity in an online space is that it generally snowballs, because a lot of people will get turned off and just stop looking at forums, other than perhaps technical or help areas. Best solution is for everyone to think twice about how they present and post on the forum.

    Are you saying something welcoming and encouraging, or bitter and angry?

    Have to agree, I think there's more negativity in The Commons than necessary.

    I think the Art Forum has a better vibe but I wish it was a little more lively there. Come on over y'all, comment on some work and start your own threads!

    I also really like the Render Your Buys thread, super happy about that, I hope it will stick around and become an ongoing staple. And I think Appreciate new releases was a good idea, if I do say so myself.

  • Sven DullahSven Dullah Posts: 7,621

    barbult said:

    I only have 7 OSO3D products, but I find them unusual and creative. Here is a little showcase of renders of those products that I own. OSO Elder is fun to blend into other characters. The Alienator that was part of the OSO Alien Scenery product was so fantastic, I bought the Pro version when Totte released it.

     

    Oso's stuff is fun, here's an old non artistic render heh

     

  • paulawp (marahzen)paulawp (marahzen) Posts: 1,372
    edited October 2023

    PerttiA said:

    wsterdan said:

    mwokee said:

    I think it would help if the Daz forum would stick to Daz subjects. Every time someone famous dies or there is a wildfire we think no one watches the news? There are appropriate places on the internet to discuss current events. We all endure the usual things life throws at us, my dog died, my medical issues, there are better places other than here if you need to discuss.

    I don't see how that would help anything. Those posts are always clearly labelled and if someone's not intersted, it just means not opening the thread. It doesn't really impact anyone who's not intersted in the topic in any measurable way but does allow people who do want to connect with others who are interested.

    -- Walt Sterdan 

    These forums are almost the only place I have been participating in during the last 13 years and one reason are the moderators and the TOS, although I have received my share of slaps on the wrist too.

    Some 10-15 years ago one could see how the forums in general started being more about bashing other posters instead of having discussions and helping others and that was when I got out.

    I'm not active on any other forums myself. I want positive energy in my life, so I create. I write and I'm a writer trying to learn art. (I am totally not an artist. smiley ) These forums have been a great place to search for answers to questions I have (yes, one uses google "site" to get proper results) and when I can't find what I'm looking for, I open a thread and as often as not, someone, or multiple someones, pop in with suggestions or answers. As I've gained more confidence, I've joined in a bit more on the social side, notably those of us ... er ... enabling others to go buy stuff. But seriously, as subject-related forums go, this is a pretty decent one, and I for one am hopeful that it can continue to be a decent one. Like others, I suspect issues like the notifications being broken certainly didn't help, and like others, I wish the gallery had more features and traffic - that's largely my outlet for posting my stuff as I evolve and learn this product. But I'm here and plan to stay a while and hope the rest of you do too.

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  • Oso3D said:

    Being positive, tactful, and upbeat isn't lying or duplicitous. This sort of thing fosters a healthy community.

    Absolutely!

    A lot of the negative mood comes from how things are said rather than what is said. Many complaints and frustrations are valid, but they can be expressed in ways that don't come off as outright rude or combative. There are quite a few vendors here who help with issues or products that are not even their own, and spend the time to teach skills. They don't have to do that, and we should be hugely appreciative of that help, not making a toxic environment with endless hissy fits.

    I don't get the price complaints at all. I think the constant sales have spoiled people. I sometimes feel as if I'm robbing vendors. Let's not forget that for some of them, this is their primary or only source of income. Their food costs, utilities, etc. have increased the same as everyone else's. They deserve a raise too. I spent 3 decades in an industry where I created things, most of them custom items, and I can tell you the vast majority of people do not value an artist's time, neither the time put into creating a product nor the time spent learning the skill, researching, acquiring resources, making promos, etc. It can be quite maddening and disheartening. 

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,011

    What's funny about Oso Elder is that originally I was trying to make a craggy old cultist and expanded it once I saw how well it mixed.

    And while it's fun as undead or creepy folks, I think it's more broadly useful as a mixer.

  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,169
    edited October 2023

    I have over 200 items by @Mada going all the way back to the Fairytale bundle with the three pigs, wolf, and fairytale giant.  I attach an image I did with a more recent product, the caballero western outfit.  I have 18 products by @Oso3d.  Some of my Oso3d content like the shader blender and the magic effects get used more often than I can identify by quickly scanning my recent images - sorry. 

    On forum use, attitude, negativity, etc, my personal view is there needs to be balance.  Sometimes I have something negative to say.  Sometimes I have something positive to say.  I want to be able to express both.  When reading forum posts by others, there is a distinction between (a) constructive criticism, (b) frustrated venting, and (c) mere trolling.  I welcome both (a) and (b).  

     

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  • MadaMada Posts: 1,991

    Great image- that was one of my favourite outfits to work on :D Thanks!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057

    caravelle said:

    Maybe it's because the rest of what's going on in the world is taking up a lot of attention at the moment. It may be that many are now visiting other forums where they can talk about these things. For a very good reason, it is not allowed to use the Daz forums for political discussions; then it is just quieter here in times of great political unrest.

    ...good point. 

    My mornings are usually taken up with staying informed and being (as I usually put it) a "concerned citizen",  As of late, it has been going into the early afternoon and sometimes (like today) even later. 

    Even though I've stepped over the line from time to time, I'm perfectly fine with the rule as yes such discussion can get very ugly and disruptive as I've seen elsewhere. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,219
    edited October 2023

    I have been doing a lot of YouTube shorts lately though I hate the format myself

    (apparently I am the only person who watches YT on a 50" TV not a phone)

    so am going to work my way through a few outfits starting with https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-corsican-raider-outfit-for-genesis-8-and-81-females

    she is wearing a G2F bandana and hair combo because I was too impatient to simulate a hair too and autofited ones follow

    I have the male counterpart I might do next

    this is an early frame, animations take a while blush

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057

    daveso said:

    I know I am posting way less than before. One of the reasons is the nature of this forum, its TOS. I'm one that likes to say whats on my mind, on many topics, which is overall not allowed here. Its a smothering feeling.

    DAZ has a serious problem with its interactions, or lack of, with its customers. It also does not appear they listen, as their methods just keep marching on, while the customers have been complaining about it, like the convoluted sales for instance, lack of certain products, styles, the redo over and over of specific genres. The tech suppport, or often lack of. Forums not working, galleries, etc. It is looking like screw the customers wants and needs, we're going to make money. 

    This apparent attitude reflects in the forums as it gets really tiring asking, suggesting, etc without getting positive results. Its been said multiple times that DAZ does not read the forums, so why continue to post about DAZ related things that affect us? I think it pretty obvious G9 is not getting the attention of other gnerations of releases. There are so many G8 products that serve the purposes of the art created here that why buy more and more of basically the same, plus what I think one of the major problems with G9 is its incompatibility with other generations. Sure, some PAs are creating products to allow use, but then that involves even more money to do things. 

    That's partly what I see as an original customer on this site. 

    ...agreed, the reissuing of the same content/characters over and over from generation to generation has become less an incentive to shop. and has not supred discussion like it used to 

    I've stopped with G8 (haven't bothered with 8.1 either because of the UV change)  Indeed the virtual "plethora" of G8 items (G8 lasting longer than Vicky 4) has generated a vast library of related content as the cost of adopting another generation is just to much these days.  I also haven't seen much that impresses me that I already cannot do with G3 and G8.

     As to trying to get help on issues it can be frustrating . Sometimes I can find the what I need by Googling the issue with a reference to Daz3D as the forum search here is a disaster (for one it doesn't allow filtering by "literal strings" so you end up getting a tonne of hits that you have to manually sift through comment by comment). I also haven't bothered much with the galleries either as I just don't care for the format (it sort of feels like Daz's version of DA).  In the old Monthly Galleries, you had to submit your best effort to get it accepted which I felt raised the bar (there was also a little remuneration involved as well as an added incentive).

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057

    background said:

    One thing I am finding, across the information media generally, is that everything is exaggerated beyond reason,  Where someone might have previously been described as 'annoyed' or 'concerned', they are now 'furious'. While this might be intended to draw attention, to me it just makes me switch off.  As an example of my response, I have today cancelled my UK Televison license because I can find very little watchable content that is not filled with hyperbole and rubbish, including the so called British Broadcasting Corporation news service.

    So it's not just in the DAZ forum, I think the whole world of media has really lost its way.

    . ..hmmm, I keep hearing that bit about the television licence in the voice of John Cleese for some reason.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,647

    I like the forums, and I'm back now in the art studio. Real life intervened for a while.

    The reason I stopped posting was because of the image issue. 

  • MadaMada Posts: 1,991

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I have been doing a lot of YouTube shorts lately though I hate the format myself

    (apparently I am the only person who watches YT on a 50" TV not a phone)

    so am going to work my way through a few outfits starting with https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-corsican-raider-outfit-for-genesis-8-and-81-females

    she is wearing a G2F bandana and hair combo because I was too impatient to simulate a hair too and autofited ones follow

    I have the male counterpart I might do next

    this is an early frame, animations take a while blush

    fun image - the skeleton heads and bones are a nice touch :D very nice

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,344

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Renderosity forum is a graveyard cheeky

    Agreed... don't even bother asking a question... no one sees it to answer it.  :(

    At least I get answers when I post something here at Daz ;)

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,219
    edited October 2023

    Mada said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I have been doing a lot of YouTube shorts lately though I hate the format myself

    (apparently I am the only person who watches YT on a 50" TV not a phone)

    so am going to work my way through a few outfits starting with https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-corsican-raider-outfit-for-genesis-8-and-81-females

    she is wearing a G2F bandana and hair combo because I was too impatient to simulate a hair too and autofited ones follow

    I have the male counterpart I might do next

    this is an early frame, animations take a while blush

     

    fun image - the skeleton heads and bones are a nice touch :D very nice

    is this https://www.daz3d.com/dungeon-modular 

    while called a dungeon I thought it passes as a hallway in a pirate cove village 

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,057

    RadioactiveLily said:

    I feel like there's just less to talk about, compared to a decade ago.  There's no competition in the Daz market other than AI.  The app wars of 10 years ago are dead and buried, and so is all of the conversation it generated.  There are no new figures from other stores or programs to compare against the Daz figures.  Named figures are churned out by the dozen instead of being an occassional treat to look forward to.

    And there's just less general "under the hood" talk.

    Traditional forums also seem to be abandoned for more phone-friendly things like Discord.  Which is a shame, because Discord chats are so chaotic.

    ...several years ago one of my roleplay game groups tried to move their forum to Discord and it ended up in a disaster. Fortunately they kept the old FB page alive at the time which I could access from my PC at home or Notebook.

    Personally, I dislike reading anything of length on a phone.  I like having a full page that actually formats like text on a book page rather than a long skinny block or stream of text you have to keep scrolling to read (almost makes me dizzy sometimes).  Having a real full sized keyboard instead of that tiny digital substitute (a real bother for someone with dyslexia and severe arthritis like myself) makes things so much easier as well.  I

    like to joke that I create new languages or security codes if I try use my thimbs to text like everyone else does.

  • Llola LaneLlola Lane Posts: 9,344

    Well... I haven't read ALL the responses to this thread... but I would say it is a success!  4 pages and counting.  Nice to see some new peeps here too.  I'm wavin' to everyone who doesn't know me... Pleasure to mee'chas :)

    I am throughout the forums in various threads... Remembering my mother always said "if you can't say anything nice... then don't say anything at all"... I try and stay positive with everything I say.  It is so hard to be misunderstood... We have various peeps from different countries and what may be inoffensive to me may offend another.  After thousands of years... lanugage is still a barrier that can cause conflict.

    When I first started working with Daz it took me almost a year to brave the forums.  There were a LOT of positive peeps back then who have since passed away :(  I would hope they are smiling down on us to keep encouraging each other. 

    Be well one and all... Feel free to join my Challenge Threads... ALL are welcome!

  • I think I forgot most of what I wanted to say as my brain got derailed looking at barbult's render collection (Nikolai running with the rats, Gengis Khan in naval officer outfit, and mostly the lion and sheep in Australia were the biggest culprits - fun to look at and imagine how you came up with those... laugh)

    Then I got derailed looking for what items I had of Mada's. Lots it seems. And what a beautiful collection of outfits! heart I have plenty of favorites there, but one of my earliest favorites was the Sighni outfit with the Celtic textures by Sarsa. I used it in the cover art for a Celtic styled instrumental track I composed. (Cuimhní Cinn translates as Memories.)

     

     

  • MadaMada Posts: 1,991

    That's great - I love the soft look - Sighni outfit was one of my favourites too, once I got past the rigging lol

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,244
    Yes, I have Sighni, too. I ran out of energy before I got that far back. I was afraid I'd run into some limit on attachments if I kept going too long.
  • hacsarthacsart Posts: 2,025

    Poppet valves and as an aside the Steam loco Valve Pilot device for starters?

    Matt_Castle said:

    FSMCDesigns said:

     I like a more varied topic selection.

    Feel free to discuss the relative merits and drawbacks of different designs of steam locomotive valvegear.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,244
    @SapphireBlue you know from my Jack and Richard stories that my mind goes off in strange directions at the least provocation. Even I don't know how I come up with some of those scene combinations with Mada's clothes. I'm glad you got a kick out of them.
  • I like the DAZ forums for the artist community feeling and the art shared and yes, to feel more normal in my DAZ addiction by hanging out with other DAZ addicts... cheeky Though I like the gallery and made lots of lovely friends through the gallery space, I more actively follow the forums and only sporadically find the energy for the gallery. There's always more of a community vibe in the forums because people get to say more and share things within context. It's nice to have that.

    Though we have the Art Studio and a few render threads, I still feel that a lot of people are maybe shy about sharing their renders, or feel maybe that they're not seen much anyway, so why bother? I'm sure in reality that lots of people enjoy seeing the renders everyone shares, I know I do, but it's hard to know without a means to give quick feedback (like emoji responses in Discord which work really well for that). Leaving comments for everything is not remotely possible time-wise.

    Also, I think render threads set up by DAZ for various sales, and more PA specific render threads etc. would be fun and make people feel like they have permission to just share. It should be easy to do and invite more people to engage. The DAZ+ sale contest thread is always so enjoyable for that reason (and would be even without prizes and such). Next to shopping, using the stuff we bought and seeing what everyone does with their buys seems like it would be the most interesting.

    As such, I'm enjoying the "Render your buys" thread a lot and hope people keep trying out their buys and sharing their renders (and not feel shy about it). It's really great to see what everyone's doing, use our shiny new things and find even more stuff to get...wink 

  • jd641jd641 Posts: 458

    There's been a decline for sure but it's not just here where that's happened. I've never been super active but if something intesting comes along I'll post. It's just that a lot of my posts are the last posts in whatever topic I post in and that really makes me not want to post. crying

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 24,244

    jd641 said:

    There's been a decline for sure but it's not just here where that's happened. I've never been super active but if something intesting comes along I'll post. It's just that a lot of my posts are the last posts in whatever topic I post in and that really makes me not want to post. crying

    That won't happen here!

  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,614
    For me, life got more stressful & busy. Also, the censorship, locked threads, etc made having any conversation that wasn't all rainbows & puppies difficult.

    People complaining about bundles that have a handful of items, but are over $100 seems like a pretty legitimate reason to complain.

    Case in point, when money wasn't tight, I pretty much bought every bundle that came out. Now? I've not bought a bundle since Gen 8.1 came out. The quality of the characters isn't the problem. I just can't keep up price wise.
  • tsaristtsarist Posts: 1,614

    Renderosity forum is a graveyard cheeky

    Yeah, I noticed that. Are they threatening to close the Carrara forum down? By the way, has Stan shown his face in awhile? I was hoping he was okay.
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,219
    edited October 2023

    tsarist said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    Renderosity forum is a graveyard cheeky

    Yeah, I noticed that. Are they threatening to close the Carrara forum down? By the way, has Stan shown his face in awhile? I was hoping he was okay.

    they did close it but we got it back

    need to keep it active apparently so I am posting the occasional render 

    and not seen him or many others

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  • SapphireBlue

    You make beautiful music, and the use of Daz stuff in the music video is stellar. It's obvious you're a talented composer and recordist. You're possibly too young for this, but were you ever at MP3.com back in the day?

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