Daz Studio Pro BETA - version 4.9.0.24!
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Daz 3D is pleased to announce Daz Studio Pro BETA - version 4.9.0.24!
!! IT IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED THAT YOU BACKUP YOUR CONTENT DATABASE IN DAZ STUDIO 4.8 BEFORE LAUNCHING DAZ STUDIO 4.9 !!
How do I backup my User Data in Daz Studio?
Important Notes:
Content Database / Metadata related
- The first time you launch Daz Studio 4.9, any data that exists in the content database is migrated so that it can be used in Daz Studio 4.9.
- The amount of time the database migration operation takes is proportional to the amount of data to be migrated.
- The database migration operation does not delete the data that it migrates from the previous location so that it remains accessible by earlier versions and other applications, such as Carrara.
- Daz Studio 4.9 uses the same PostgreSQL database as Daz Studio 4.6 and later, and/or other applications, such as Carrara.
- A portion of the data contained within the database is shared amongst versions but not entirely. For example:
- Creating a category in either Daz Studio 4.9 or 4.8 will cause that category to exist in the other version
- Assigning a file to that category in Daz Studio 4.9 will NOT cause that file to be assigned to that category in Daz Studio 4.8
- Assigning a file to that category in Daz Studio 4.8 WILL cause the file to be assigned to the category in Daz Studio 4.9
- Reseting the database in any version of Daz Studio that uses PostgreSQL (4.6 or later) will purge all of data in the database, including any data that may be used by earlier versions or other applications, such as Carrara.
- After the initial migration operation, edited metadata in Daz Studio 4.8 will not be migrated to Daz Studio 4.9.
- A workaround is to export User Data from Daz Studio 4.8 and reimport User Data in Daz Studio 4.9.
- *Fixed in the 4.9.0.24 build*
Importing non-User Data from DSX files does NOT function correctly in the 4.9.0.21 build and is, therefore, NOT recommended—this is fixed in a subsequent build.- A workaround is to reimport metadata within Daz Studio 4.8 or Daz Install Manager.
- Importing User Data that has been previously exported to DSX file(s) DOES function correctly in 4.9.0.21.
NVIDIA Iray related
- Fixes made to the implementation of Sub Surface Scattering (SSS) in the NVIDIA Iray renderer affect materials which have "Translucency Weight" active—not set to 0. This manifests in skin tones appearing more blue than they do in 4.8. A quick adjustment that can be made during the BETA phase is to adjust the "SSS Reflectance Tint" from a light blue to a light yellow—R: 1.00, G: 0.88, B: 0.67. Adjust this value to your liking.
- After the BETA phase, Daz 3D products will be updated to include this change.
- The Mac version now requires OS X 10.7 or later.
Frequently Asked Questions:
- How do I backup my User Data in Daz Studio?
- What is a BETA?
- General Release, Public Build, BETA... What is the difference?
- Will the version in the Public Build channel replace the one in General Release?
- Has the Content Management Service (CMS) changed?
- What is the Application Improvement Program about?
- Have the content packages been updated too?
- How do I get the latest version?
- Can I have a General Release and a BETA installed at the same time?
- What about the plugins I have?
- What is new in Daz Studio 4.9? Do I need to update my copy?
- Is there any documentation?
Frequently Asked Daz Connect Questions:
- What is Daz Connect?
- What are the goals of Daz Connect?
- How do I get my purchased products now?
- How can I get new products through Daz Connect?
- Are all products Daz Connect ready?
- Will the products I already own keep working?
- Will products from stores other than Daz 3D keep working?
- Can I use products installed through Daz Connect with other software?
- Does this update make it easier to find content I can use with Auto-Fit in Smart Content?
- Can I use the Content Library pane with Daz Connect?
- Does Daz Studio 4.9 require me to use Daz Connect?
- Does Daz Studio 4.9 require me to be online to use Daz Connect installed content?
- I use my content on multiple computers. Can I still do that?
- I have multiple people in my household who share content with each other. Can we still do that?
- Is the encryption associated with Daz Connect essentially Digital Rights Management (DRM)?
- Can I copy products installed using Daz Connect from one computer to another?
- I like to move files around on disk to organize them differently. Can I still do that?
- What will happen with the content already on my hard drive(s)?
- What will happen to my custom metadata?
- Can I still custom sort my files?
- If the content is stored encrypted, how do I reinitialize morphs?
- Will Daz Install Manager and Daz Connect work side by side? Can I choose one or the other?
- Do I have to re-download all of my products?
- Does having the Daz Connect service mean that all content will finally be Smart Content capable?
- Does Daz Connect work with plugins?
- Will my saved scenes also be encrypted?
- How do I add content that I have created myself to Daz Studio?
- What happens to my Bryce and Carrara content?
- Does Daz Connect support 32-bit operating systems?
- Will this update work with products like ZoneAlarm or other software firewalls?
- Will this update eliminate the Hexagon, Bryce, GoZ, or Photoshop bridges?
- Will the DSON Importer for Poser plugin work with products installed using Daz Connect?
- Will this update keep zip packages on my computer like Daz Install Manager does?
- Is there a reason to upgrade to 4.9 if I do not plan to use Daz Connect?
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What is new in Daz Studio 4.9? Do I need to update my copy?
Daz Studio 4.9 resolves many issues and implements many improvements since the 4.8.0.59 General Release. More detail on specific fixes/changes/improvements can be found in the Change Log, which can be viewed online within the Documentation Center portion of our site. All new downloads of the Daz Studio Pro BETA product (SKU: 12000) will be of this version.
*Changes since the last build are marked in red*
Supports mass uninstall via multiple selection + context menu
Has the NVIDIA Iray renderer been updated?
Yes, it has.
Iray 2015.3.2, build 246000.4498
Added and Changed Features
Fixed Bugs
See Also
Iray 2015.3.1, build 246000.3782
Added and Changed Features
Fixed Bugs
Iray 2015.3, build 246000.3341
Added and Changed Features
Fixed Bugs
Iray 2015.3 beta, build 246000.1253
Added and Changed Features
Fixed Bugs
Iray 2015.2.1, build 243400.2118
Added and Changed Features
Fixed Bugs
Iray 2015.2, build 243400.1151
Added and Changed Features
Fixed Bugs
For instance:
The compiler erroneously assumed, that the default case has a reachable exit, hence code after the switch is not dead.
When base::blend color layers() was used in a jitted expression, the modes color layer hue and color layer saturation failed. This has been fixed.
where the compiler complains that a T[] array cannot be transformed into a uniform T[] array.
Is there any documentation?
Yes, there is. And we're actively working on more.
Check out the User Guide and QuickStart Guide that we've posted in the DAZ Studio 4.x Documentation section.
The Reference Guide is also in the process of being populated/updated—updates will be posted over the course of the beta.
*Note: Some pages are still being built. If you see "permission denied" for a page, that page is not live yet.
Cool a new one to try.
Agreed. and I think my first thing to look at is that ram thing. I'm being hopeful that it is nothing more then debugging stuff causing that.
(EDIT) looks like a small drop in use, so maybe it is because of debugging stuff in the beta (is hoping). My goof, Revised Numbers. Test run twice for each beta.
Studio 4.8 64bit. Empty 281,252k
Studio 4.8 64bit. ZdgTestChammberAll 296,569k
Difference, 15,317k
Studio 4.9.0.21 64bit. Empty 274,372k
Studio 4.9.0.21 64bit. ZdgTestChammberAll 298,248k
Difference, 23,876k
Studio 4.9.0.21 64bit. Empty 278,944k
Studio 4.9.0.21 64bit. ZdgTestChammberAll 301,204k
Difference, 22,260k
Studio 4.9.0.24 64bit. Empty 277,952k
Studio 4.9.0.24 64bit. ZdgTestChammberAll 303,392k
Difference, 25,440k
Studio 4.9.0.24 64bit. Empty 278,332k
Studio 4.9.0.24 64bit. ZdgTestChammberAll 298,688k
Difference, 20,356k
I will also note, that there appears to be a bit of variation in how much ram studio uses when it is started up. Ranging from around 274MB to 280MB about for v4.8.0.59 64bit.
(EDIT 08NOV2015 17:54utc) I just noticed 4.9.0.24 still in the "Ready to install" tab of DIM. I'll need to run the test again, My Mistake. I had turned off the install once downloaded button to grab Studio 4.8 32bit for archiving it, and forgot to turn it back on. The ram usage is considerably inconsistent and "All over the place".
I have my issues with what is happening, but it would be unfair of me I feel to not at least try it; although the amount of time needed to spend organising content is horrendous.
What would be cool, is a method to share our custom-sorted databases with each other - as long as it could ignore products we don't own, until we do.
As a reminder for anyone coming in to this thread:
This is for discussions about your experiences with this beta, any discussions not directly pertaining to this build will be moved from this thread and placed over here: http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/65560/encryption-discussions-go-here
Thank you for your understanding, the last thread got a little out of hand and it was difficult to see the actual user experiences of the 4.9 beta in all of the side-discussion.
If you Export User Data someone else could import those .dsx files, any files they don't have are ignored.
If your current organization is based on files & folders, you can create categories mimicking that structure.
Still waiting for these two to be adressed:
Oren Nayar as a specular BSDF. #191313 Shader Mixer - Oren Nayar BSDF
Raycache parameter. #192012 Bug Report - DAZ Studio doesn't pass GI ray cache attributes to 3Delight
This really needs to go at the top of the first post v.v
I'm a little confuse in the download, Do I need both the PostgreSQL CMS and PostgreSQL CMS Valentina Conversion? If not, which one am I suppose to download?
"PostgreSQL CMS" is the required part. The Valentina Conversion is to transfer data from the Valentina version, if you were using that version and the database isn't corrupt -- personally I would use "Export User Data" and "Re-Import Metadata" instead.
The converter is for converting the old Valentina database into a Postgre one...you'll need that if you were running the Valentina CMS and haven't converted it.
- Upon install, it imported my metadata but most of my products appeared yellow exclamation mark. I assume this is because I already have them installed in a different library on 4.8. A database reset fixed this.
- changing Iray Render Mode to Interactive actually works for me now without crashing (never did before.)
SHOP
- I don't want the shop to be invasive, and I like the current way it updates its data etc. as detailed in a previous thread, but the window is too small: it'd be much better as a whole pane that is placed in the 3d View space by default (like Render Library is.) It's not like you care about adjusting camera angles of your WIP while shopping, and it'd give a lot more space for content to be displayed. It'd also be more intuitive having its own item in the panes menu as a result.
- I really don't like the way it constantly does new searches as I navigate the Smart Content library. I understand why it does this and why it would be useful, but all it leads to is that I close the shop because I don't want it to keep reloading while I'm not actually in "shopping mode" which means I'm less likely to look at the shop at all. Apart from specific testing I leave it closed at all times because I'm sick of it reloading itself all the time (I have since realised that once the images are loaded they cache, but seeing it happen on 2-3 tabs is enough to make someone get fed up with it, or at least it was for me. Not sure of a solution here.) Then again I also have Smart Content closed at all times so the shop is doubly hidden, reinforcing the give it its own tab argument.
- I've attached some screenshots below of what using the shop is like right now.
1. There is only one big buy button, which goes straight to payment. I don't like this since I shop in batches and want offers and related things when I make a purchase, but I also get that it makes sense as a quick grab an item you see while using the program sort of mentality.
2. The biggest problem is that the images are absolutely tiny and don't have any sort of easy way to make them fullsize. Promo images on the web store already lack a lot of the things people actually want (full body for characters, no makeup/clothing/hair base displays of what you're getting, etc.) but there is no way I would ever buy a product based on what I can see here.
3. I accidentally clicked a blue 1 in the bottom left corner and this happened (also on the initial display, there is the buy button and shop text, then tiny images, then more than double that in nothingness.)
- As it is the shop just isn't complete enough other than for someone wanting to make a sudden rabid purchase of one particular item. Speaking for myself, I would never do that. I look at the current sales going on (the emails are really great for that. I love getting them. They look good and bring good news that makes me actually want to buy) grouped offers, etc. then I decide if/what to buy based on those and related/required products, grouping them up in the shopping cart, double checking prices, adding coupons, etc. before actually buying. I can only speak for me, but I think that is a common way to shop on the site? Also, wishlists. Wishlists are really important. None of these things mentioned are accessible to me in the client store in any way that I've seen.
- Basically, aside from when I was a brand new customer, and glancing at the day's new releases, I almost never go through the actual shop categories anymore (although Daz Store is organised far better than many.) I shop via the sale banners at the top of the page, my wishlist, and the search function (which I really like on Daz Store because of the range of result types it returns.) Again, none of these are available in client so I would always have the shop closed and would use a browser to shop instead. Maybe it'll be helpful for impulse buy new people, but I'll never use it in its current state because the web store is superior in every possible way and I have a computer capable of having Daz Studio and a web browser open at the same time.
- This has been mentioned in a lot of threads lately, but many people feel there is way too much focus on skimpy and honestly just not really useable (for various reasons) clothing. I am absolutely not saying any of it is poor quality or should ever be removed, but people want a larger variety, ie practical male and female outfits (just go look at wilmap's free page if you don't understand what I mean.) There is a huge disparity here not present in many other fields, and I believe it's keeping you from getting more customers. I love sexy outfits too, but it shouldn't be only sexy outfits, or you won't be taken seriously by many people (whether they're right or not to think that way.) Also everyone is bored of skinny white overly tall white models. I've noticed a distinct improvement on these fronts in the last few days on the store and in sales, and I've seen a lot of happy forum posts as a result.
MANAGING CONTENT
- Properly named content makes navigating Smart Content a bit less painful. I still don't like the way it lumps a billion things together, but at least when something is named Arabella_Face_01 it's more helpful than 01_FC1 etc as older ones have. Still no idea if Arabella_Face_01 is iray or 3dl though so Smart Content still isn't worth using for me. I'll stick to Categories.
- Managing Daz Connect installed files is confusing. I now know to look in the Products section of the Content Library for my Connect files, but I only know this because I happened to read it in a forum post. Why not just have a new section called Daz Connect above 'Daz Studio Formats' and 'Poser Formats' ?
- I only just found the tab for displaying only available, updateable content, etc. in Smart Content (below the actual items.) I'm using the lighter of the two themes and it was almost invisible, so I didn't even think options for sorting existed. It's too dark to notice (it shouldn't be glaring but the selected one should be more visible) and maybe at the top?
- Categories are really powerful, and have many of the features many of the complaints about not being able to move physical files want, but they don't seem to be well known about, and their commands can be hard to find or even know they exist. I saw several complaints of categorising databases only for them to get corrupted and have no way to back up to deal with this. Asking on the forums, I later learned there has been a backup option all along. Why did I learn about this in this way? Why didn't those people know they could back up their databases? Where does the database backup even save to? These are questions that should be taught to a new user.
- I really want a completely separate Categories window and manager, and for the Categorise... function to not reset every single time I click it. Dragging and dropping is also really clunky because of folders opening and closing on mouseover while holding mousebutton.
TEACHING USERS
When I started using Daz Studio, the beginner tutorials in the program (especially the interactive ones) and on the web manual were extremely helpful. However once I knew how to place a camera and why I needed to, there was nothing explaining the more complex elements that I was getting into, such as using the many other tools in the program or managing my store bought content. I feel that this is one of the big things that has led to so many managing their things in their own way that is now conflicting so badly. Categories are (mostly) really good right now, but many don't seem to know about them and the commands are a bit spread out in weird ways. If all new users were taught to use them off the bat, you'd have more people managing their content in the same way, making transitions like this much less painful. Or maybe that's overly optimistic. But more guides and documentation beyond beginner things, please.
For example, I know there is a rigging tool and that clothing etc. is fully rigged within Studio. But I have ZERO idea how it works, and there is no Daz information I see on how to do it. The manual is excellent for the basics, and then stops existing and it's onto scouring for whispered rumours and ultra specific user advice to others. This leads many to think they need to go to other programs to achieve many 3d things, and they don't. I closed the animation timeline and never opened it again because there was no tutorial or user guide from Daz encouraging me to try it. That means zero animation related products sold to me. I may only be one customer, but I spent around $100 a week (I don't know if that's a lot or not but it's a huge amount to me) on the store, mostly thanks to sales promotions.
I get the direction of Connect and I like that, but it's clearly in early days and isn't really usable yet. I would also like to see a lot more direction going into wider range of marketing and teaching users. The intro material is fantastic. I found this program so easy to get into. If you think these points aren't relevant, just look at the storm caused by lack of clear explanation/understanding on the initial release of this beta.
I have a Q regarding that IPR with 3delight. I have abandoned that after my first taste with an HD figure that locked my computer up solid for around fifteen minutes while it reprocessed the SSS precompute delay of the shader. Dose the IPR now give my computer at least some of the CPU for the music to keep playing (if nothing else the mouse pointer), or dose it still consume 100% of the computer every time anything is changed on the figure still?
Yes, I'm asking instead of just trying it. Has IPR been tamed a bit with it's resources consumption?
lx, lots of good stuff there. Thanks for the feedback.
I agree with Ix to an extent, but I don't want a shop button, so an option to close it while keeping the info tab would be nice.
I prefer moving folders into catagories, which is my main gripe with Smart Content right now, the only way to move files from the product library is to first create a folder, name it the same way and move the files into it. This is tedious and a waste of time and very discouraging. It makes me want to get rid of the clould downloads and go back to my Library since it is easier to copy folders into a catagory.
Smart is great in placing all the accessories together like belts and gloves but it does not separate clothing by generation so unless you have a good memory, there will be some trail and error when using content. So far there is great potential with smart but unless it becomes easier to costumize to the user's content, I don't see this going past a novice user. It's something to start with but will outgrow in time as one becomes more confident with managing their own content.
I see a good few mentions of the new built-in shop. How does it compare with the old Poser direct Content Paradise link? I seem to remember no-one had a good word to say about that. What's different now?
Incidentally, I'll never use the built-in shop, for many of the same reasons I never bothered with CP when I still used Poser.
And I just noticed the bit in Ix's post about the shop bypassing multiple-purchase offers, only allowing to buy one thing at a time. My considered opinion of this — a pile of dingo's kidneys. If I want to buy something from the DAZ store, I'll do it the way it should be done, by going online with my browser.
I'm not sure why this doesn't work for you, you should be able to create a category from a Products folder.
You can still minimise the shop now to go to the info tab instead just fine. The shop won't connect or load when it isn't actually open displaying content.
But yeah, Smart Content is pretty much useless for anyone who actually knows about what all the file types do and own multiple generations, etc. It was nice the first day or two I used the program. Getting Connect only content from Smart Content into categories was annoying enough that I gave up, and Products listings don't have the folders organising things anymore so that sucks too. As I stated above, just add a new base level Content Library folder above Daz formats called Daz Connect and give us the files and folders there, or even better, auto generate purchases into categories there that we can rearrange as we like.
I can't really compare to Poser's CP because I thought that was a load of junk when I tested Poser and I thought the site was too. All that happened was that it led me to searching for these mysterious Daz figures like Victoria which were said to be the best, and that was that. I actually like Daz's web store, despite them taking away an option for light and dark layouts everywhere :/ The program store is at least dark, but built for tiny tiny ants who only make single impulse buys, as stated above.
Obviously I expect all of this will change since it's the first implementation of the store, but first impressions are important for many people, and those who think it's useless now might not notice when (if) it's made great.
One aspect of smart that I really like right now, is when you double click on a product and it shows all the files in that product separated by type. Love this part very clean and usable.
Still becoming irresponsive and crashing in Iray render:
A TDR has been detected.
The application must be closed.
Are your graphics drivers up-to-date?
Daz Connect: the login screen on opening the program is annoying. I can tell it to go away, but then I don't get logged in until I try to do something that requires online. Then the window is back. If I can already tell it to remember my details, could there not be an option to make it not ask me at all? (I do like the manualness of it all, but I should be able to opt in to just being connected as a choice.) If I'm not logged in, I assume I don't get product updates so I'll miss them unless I happen to want to install something I own via the Content tab?
Smart Content:
I've been trying to use only Smart Content for a bit and the lack of generation separation is just so confusing.
e.g. I installed Arabella 7 as a test, then wanted to grab a single hair to test, but ALL of them appear in the library. I get that autofit exists but I'd like to know what was actually designed for that generation.
Also, it's entirely possible to install a character without Essentials of that generation installed, but then you'll be asked to download Essentials, which is a massive file no matter the generation. Not that I don't appreciate all that free content, but I'd really really like to just be able to install the base figure without having to manually search for the specifically correct files in one giant zip and making my own.
Just tried to open up the DS Beta. Could not establish a connection with the server. I was unable to access smart content. If this is going to be par for the course... ugly.