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Maybe by country/state. I'm not in Utah :).
Maybe they will actually show the characters how they look completely so we know exactly what we are buying. How do we turn off this filter, though?
Ah, now the option came up for me to turn it off. It wasn't working before I posted.
My account lost its setting today and I had to come in here to work out how to show the "mature" content. A bug perhaps? That's why I'm mentioning it, in case it needs investigation.
I'm seriosly staggered as to what's considered mature. Maybe the standards in the Daz part of the world are very different to the UK, but I don't see anything I wouldn't see in display in posters in clothes shops on every high street... but it doesn't matter. That's what the setting is for!
I believe this is the plan - that we can now show outfits on characters properly without needing mannequins, and that otherwise disallowed character texture details can now be shown. Obviously there's a little teething problem with some images being marked 'mature' when they're not but the usefulness of this filter outweighs the occasional hiccup IMO. Of course, this will only affect promos going forward - older mannequined images are there to stay.
Edit: It goes beyond nudity too - reasonable displays of violence and blood can now be in promos if they help show off a product (so not just gratuitous for the sake of it) like a pose-set or a blood texture/prop set, among other stuff.
Once again daz feels they have to protect us from ourselves without so much as as a post to tell us how to either opt out or opt in before it is implimented.
Way to go daz.
Did this change recently then? I thought they did it ages ago and I lost the setting.
On these points, for genuinely mature content, I'd agree 100% that this is sensible. It saves potential embarrasment apart from anything else. But is there actually a single image on this entire site that anyone considers mature, at least from a nudity perspective? There is nothing I would feel bothered about browsing in public, and nothing I would care about children seeing, because they see the same things day in day out in pictures, in adverst, and on real people.
Is this really, honestly offensive to anyone???
https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-mk-nightgown-for-genesis-9
But if we can lose the grey manequins that stop you seeing the products, then it's a step in the right direction.
Please take a look at the Renderosity implementation (where there is genuinely mature content). I don't have to come on the forum to find an obscure setting, or ask your overworked support team. I click on a "Show Mature Content" button on the image. A bit more discoverable...
But more importantly, the decision is surely based on where I am, not a "set once"? I don't want topless pictures on the train, I don't care at home. Again, the Renderosity implementation is a lot better in that regard. Although since the content isn't mature, it's probably better that every user of the site sets it once and forgets about it...
...I take some of this back. it's actually very annoying. I have to sign in to see the so-called mature products, or click on every one of them, which is hassle, and even then, some of the images are hidden within the page.
Again, I will point out that the Renderosity solution is light years ahead. Click the button, see all the products.
And looking at my wishlist with the setting reverted, I see that products in there are blurred out. On the actual wishlist page. I added them to my wishlist. Doesn't that mean I'm OK with them???
Message to the developers. If you must have this ridiculous feature, please implement it in a way that doesn't have any significant effect on the user experience regardless of whether the user is signed in or not. Other people have solved this problem.
Did you get my joke on it?
Yes, I have heard that. But I think that's more about porn. I guess it's a theory, and none of us can know.
But I don't think things on the Daz site are any different to this. I will be surprised if M&S decide to block these images on their site unless you create and account and opt to see them.
https://www.marksandspencer.com/c/lingerie#intid=gnav_Lingerie
I did indeed forget that! They have bouncers on the door now, lest a child should glimpse one of the underwear models!
I always thought of the UK as pretty conservative, certainly compared to mainland Europe, but maybe the US is different again. I wonder what their clothes shops are like?
I do understand that DAZ is a family site. However they really need to use 1 standard for mature content.
For example:
- P3D Shayleen HD for Genesis 9 | Daz 3D a girl wearing shorts and a top is mature content.
- FN Chris HD for Genesis 9 | Daz 3D a guy wearing nothing but underwear is not mature content.
Bare legs/showing some skin is not mature content in my opinion.
As some have suggested it may not be a human making these decisions and possibly an AI bot that actually does. This would explain some of the very strange items being censored like brick textures. Civitai has been using AI for a long time to moderate posted images but in their case it seems to be far more accurate than what's going on here.
I don't see what decision needs to be made. There's nothing on this site that's mature.
I dread to think what they would make of an Ann Summers shop window :D
Not yet, or at least not much. But with the new filter, PAs can now include this if they choose. It would still need to be within reason (so selling a character and showing off a default pose with nudity to show off skin details is okay. A sexualised pose for the same, not so much). Like I said - more going forward, but some older images may get caught up in it.
That's a really good point. I hope this can result in something more like we would see at Renderosity. So have a filter, but in return, raise the bar for what's permitted.
Why has this "feature" been introduced in the first place?
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They did try it before with the "Show Mature Content" filter filter in the shop
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/588971/new-daz-3d-safe-search-filter/p1
It's a good idea but the bar is far, far, far too low, and consequently it's an annoying barrier to browsing the site. It also means PAs that don't want to be blocked must make useless previews which must surely affect sales, as will blurring content.
Maybe they set will see sense and turn it off again. Hopefully anyway!
Maybe they think we are all geriatrics who might go into a cardiac arrest if we see a sock below the ankle
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Been seeing this lately too and was wondering why. Some of the things marked as mature content are outright bizarre as well. A recent product, an abandoned room, had several images marked as mature, yet they were all just of some fully dressed guy sitting in a chair or standing up next to a window or something. Nothing mature about it. FG Egirl poses has several images obscured as mature and, again, not a single one of them actually shows mature content. Well, unless sitting at your computer is considered mature content these days. lol.
I find it interesting how such innocent images we are exposed to every day as we walk the streets could be classed as mature, and I wonder it it's a matter of perspective.
I know that what would count as mature in Germany is different to the UK, for example. I watch a fair bit of German TV on their main public service channel, most of which which is free to view globally. On Sunday, at 8:15, there was a programme with full frontal shots of a naked man (on a very popular show called Tatort). It wasn't in any way sexual, there was just a guy that happened to be naked. Never would you see that in the UK at that time, in fact I'm strugging to remember ever seeing such a thing at any time. I've seen topless women at lunchtime before.
And my guess is that in the US, it goes in the opposite direction. But I really don't know. It's the only thing I've been able to think of that would explain this decision, which from my view of the world is utterly mystifying.
Actually, I think this blurring and plastering "Mature" everywhere is me sligjtly more reluctant to look at the site in public in case I'm not logged in. "Mature Content" implies that I'm looking at some sort of adult site, rather than... well just nothing out of the ordinary.
I don't know what they're smoking with some of the "mature content." Fully dressed figure sitting down at a desk = "mature?"
https://www.daz3d.com/rfx-izumi-for-g9 ; - what in any of these images is "mature?" Is it the dress having a cutout in the chest? Doesn't explain the others...
https://www.daz3d.com/fg-egirl-poses-for-genesis-8-female - several poses (including the aforementioned "sitting at a desk") blurred as "mature?"
Daz needs to stop this until (a) they get some sort of guideline and (b) *tell us what it is.* Because this is just silly. And just annoying when trying to shop for things.
Heh heh. I wonder how the airplanes, aircraft and aeroplanes category is doing? The price of the Ghost Modifier toolkit was reduced this week - it was in FastGrab. I searched the string "ghost" and - you guessed it, nothing comes up.
This must thrill the P.A.'s to no end.
I have no inside information and am not claiming this is the case, but it did occur to me that maybe AI is involved in determining what "Mature Content" is? This might explain some of the odd decisions on what is flagged.
- Greg
it's so odd that I think that's very likely.
But whatever the case, nobody has yet showed me an image that should be mature. And by that I mean something we wouldn't see in our everyday lives.
This is 2024, not 1824. Which items for sale here should be hidden by default in 2024? Maybe there are.a few, they are exceedingly rare.
I think they need to get out more!
Is anyone going to speak up in favour of this, just to provide some balance? Does anyone actually want it? Anyone???
Yes, AI is being used in this respect - Daz is aware that it is sometimes getting it wrong. A number of anomalies have now been fixed.