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  • linvanchenelinvanchene Posts: 1,382
    edited May 9

    Prompt: Woman piloting a spacecraft crash lands and is savaged by a house cat.

    Seed: 1964012014

    LoRA: Victoria 9

    Note the added helicopter, different cables, different spaceship and improved number of cat limbs compared to the old one which I got twice on the same day, which is

     

    Background information - sampler, scheduler, multiple seed values

    It is possible that behind the scenes multiple nodes are linked that each feature different seed values.

    The rough shape of the image remains because of the shared main seed.

    Small details are altered because of different secondary seed values.

     

    Example:

    During generation steps 1 - 35 the sampler "euler" is used with the scheduler "normal". seed: [..]53290.

    During generation steps 35-70 the sampler "dpmpp_3m_sde_gpu" is used with the scheduler "sgm_uniform". seed: [...]91798.

    As a result of this combination the rough shape of the noise is locked in during the first 35 steps with seed 53290.

    When you run the same workflow again during steps 35-70 the image is altered in some small ways each time.

     

    Different servers with different builds?

     

    The odd thing here is that I am able to get the same image variations as richardandtracy.

    Run some images, log out and log back in...

     

    After loging in you may be connected to a different server.

    During the beta not all of them may use the exact same build of Daz AI Studio for testing purposes...

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  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760
    edited May 9

    Exact same prompt and exact same seed. very curious.

     

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  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760
    edited May 9

    adding,  I did forget to click Vic9,  so these are with angela9. Michael9 and Victoria9  added into the mix. It does appear to be same ballpark.

     

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678

    I must admit I think that's fascinating how the similar but different images appear from the same externally visible seed. Thanks @linvanchene for the insight into the additional hidden seeds.

    Regards,

    Richard

  • linvanchenelinvanchene Posts: 1,382
    edited May 11

    Server Farm

     

     

    server cluster - worked as expected....

     

    Not sure how exactly a giant red sun was morphed into a chewing toy...

     

     

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  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760

    I do like how,  when it doesn't understand what you asked for in the prompt,  it gives you default architecture,  either a house or a room.  Real estate is the perfect temp solution.

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760
    edited May 14

    linvanchene said:

    Not sure how exactly a giant red sun was morphed into a chewing toy...

     

     

     Its a "Men in Black" reference,  in that movie,  the kitty alien  had an entire galaxy hanging on her collar.  Everything is relative.

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  • linvanchenelinvanchene Posts: 1,382
    edited May 15

    FirstBastion said:

    I do like how,  when it doesn't understand what you asked for in the prompt,  it gives you default architecture,  either a house or a room.  Real estate is the perfect temp solution.

    I started to save some of those random default results with houses and a car parked in the driveway...

    After I collect enough I may publish them in a themed post. cheeky

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678
    edited May 29

    Err. Escher Legs?

    Regards,

    Richard

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  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 8,611
    edited May 30

    Cricket batsman at crease - I think the AI is having trouble with this one .....

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678

    I have to confess that I feel the game would be greatly enhanced if some of those images were real. The two balls one in particular.

    Regards,

    Richard

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,456
    edited June 11

    When will this AI generator learn that the human hand has FIVE (5) fingers? And why the heck does it always only show me the hands of white women?

     

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678

    I must be strange, I only have 4 fingers and a thumb on each hand. Knew a gent with four fingers and two thumbs (one very whithered), but never 5 fingers. wink

    It suggests to me that the AI has no understanding of the concept of 'hand' as we do, it's just replicating patterns. As for the skin colour - that's probably down to the images it has been trained on.

    Regards,

    Richard

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,456

    richardandtracy said:

    I must be strange, I only have 4 fingers and a thumb on each hand. Knew a gent with four fingers and two thumbs (one very whithered), but never 5 fingers. wink

    It suggests to me that the AI has no understanding of the concept of 'hand' as we do, it's just replicating patterns. As for the skin colour - that's probably down to the images it has been trained on.

    Regards,

    Richard

    Four fingers and a thumb, of course. I KNEW that someone would write that... laughwink

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678
    edited June 14

    Used this prompt: female cat, furry, wearing cloth armor, nature, fantasy, soft light, highly detailed, detailed skin, depth of field, film grain

    And... Five legs.

    Regards,

    Richard

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  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 8,611

    That's just her one legged twin hiding behind her .....

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760

    That extra leg comes in handy on uneven terrain.

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678
    edited June 24

    Woman & Insectoid Alien

    Really don't know where to start, there are a lot of problems that didn't go too well.

    Human character: Right foot and heel... Underside of right thigh. Entire Left Leg. Right hand. Elbow location on left arm too far from body & odd looking. Location of left forearm on part of alien's appendage. Left hand shape, finger shape & angle of joints.  Angle of body to horizontal. Nose shading - is that a cockroach partly embedded in the skin?

    Alien: No comment - have no real frame of reference except to say it looks MIB-ish.

    Regards,

    Richard

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678
    edited June 28

    Mad Cat Lady 

    Seed 722896362

    Not entirely as planned.

    Regards,

    Richard

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  • LeanaLeana Posts: 11,712

    richardandtracy said:

    Mad Cat Lady 

    Seed 722896362

    Not entirely as planned.

    *Looks at top of image* Doesn't seem too bad so far...

    *Scrolls down* Wait, what?

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678

    Pretty much my train of thought when I looked at it, too.

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 7,760

    "we'll fix it in post"

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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,146

    caravelle said:

    When will this AI generator learn that the human hand has FIVE (5) fingers? And why the heck does it always only show me the hands of white women?

     

    AI engines are having trouble with hands because of verbal conventions - we have 5 digits on each hand - four fingers and a thumb - but coloquilly, as you mentioned - we have five fingers, and the thumb is considered a finger in that expression. AIs are trying to keep a separate thumb but adhere to the five fingers definition with the thumb NOT being a finger. We're going to continue getting images with five fingers and a thumb until someone overrides the AI on the facts.

  • FettbemmeFettbemme Posts: 319

    I have deleted all Problem images relating to TREE & TOWER >>> T R E

    just so, that's why negative prompts are important. Not so important with Daz AI. I understand.

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678
    edited July 28

    Now July, and DAZ AI still seems to be having issues with cat tails, as in 'How many per cat?'. Think it must be three.

    And numbers of limbs on humans.

    Regards,

    Richard

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  • FettbemmeFettbemme Posts: 319

    richardandtracy said:

    Now July, and DAZ AI still seems to be having issues with cat tails, as in 'How many per cat?'. Think it must be three.

    And numbers of limbs on humans.

    Regards,

    Richard

    Yeah, terrible. Daz AI is way behind. You won't see images this bad with other AI generative art. Can't give names or are we allowed to name other platforms?

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678
    edited July 29

    How interesting. I went back to the "Woman piloting a spacecraft crash lands and is savaged by a house cat." prompt and "1964012014" seed to see if anything had changed. First off, I forgot to specify V9, and got the image below:

    But after realising my mistake, I added V9 and got a very familiar variation of the original image I got, with the same foot to tail meld. New version:

    Original version:

    If there has been development of the AI in the last 3 months, the effect is less than the effect of the secondary seed mentioned by Iinvanchienne at the beginning of this page.

    Regards,

    Richard

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,678
    edited August 6

    Prompt: "kitten wearing armour on horseback racing across a shallow river. Lots of splashing. clearing in forest with stream."

    One question.. Where's the kitten?

    Second, less important question.. Where's the clearing?

    Regards,

    Richard

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  • felisfelis Posts: 4,327

    I got similar results. Also tried with a cat, but that made no difference.

     

  • Bunyip02Bunyip02 Posts: 8,611
    edited August 9

    Leggy model - "A jumpsuit with an asymmetrical hem and stilettos"

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