"merge into scene" acts same as "open as new"?

s.c.a.r.yenchanter

This hapens to me several times:

I used to save several charactor setup templates and merge them form "saved files" to a new empty file each time, instead of setting charactor from begining. But sometimes I happended to save the merged file by mistake the same name as the template one and thus overwrote the original template.I firstly thought that was me wrongly clicked "open as new" instead of "merge into scene". However as it happens again and again I found it was the software it self changing the file name on "merging into scene". Actually, it changes the current opened default empty file (which should have no name displayed on the title bar) into the name of the template file I merged into the scene. And when I save it for the first time (as I thought), and expect it to toast me the window asking for a filename, but nothing happed, I realized that everything was messed up. I reinstalled the software for some other reason, and the problem was gone for a while, but it cames back after several times of crash on simulation or rendering (which I have no idea if they were relevant or not). 

This really bothers me much. It is annoying when I found I've just unredoably overwritten one of my important template.

Am I misunderstanding anything or using any function in the wrong way?

But what is the difference if, if the both option actually do the same thing?

Thanks

Richard Haseltine

Are they Scenes or Scenes Subsets? With an empty scene merging a full scene in does adopt the name of the merged scene, but it shouldn't happen with Scene Subsets. One workaround is tio make sure you save your templates with a different Author value (Edit>Preferences on WIndows, Daz Studio>Prefrefences for a Mac) from your regular Author - that way File>Save will function as Save As even if the filename is applied to the empty scene.

s.c.a.r.yenchanter

Richard Haseltine said:

Are they Scenes or Scenes Subsets? With an empty scene merging a full scene in does adopt the name of the merged scene, but it shouldn't happen with Scene Subsets. One workaround is tio make sure you save your templates with a different Author value (Edit>Preferences on WIndows, Daz Studio>Prefrefences for a Mac) from your regular Author - that way File>Save will function as Save As even if the filename is applied to the empty scene.

I was merging a whole scene.

So, in this case, should I understand the both option with no logical difference?

Thank you for your solution! 

or should I create anything in the scene to make it not empty file anymore before I merge any template into it?

crosswind

Yes, if you Merge a Scene Into an empty Scene with no name... this action just turns out to be Open as New (Open a Scene). So actually Merge Into Scene action should be just used for the case that you've alread have one scene opened beforehand.

So better use Scene Subset as "templates" or...mark your template Scens as Read-Only in File Browser... if you accidentally Ctrl + S with it, it'll remind you of a failure...

Richard Haseltine

Adding something to the scene is also an option, but using Subsets or changing the author don't require you to remember to do something on using the templates (I assume saving templates is a less frequent action than using them).