Skin Builder Basic for Genesis3?

BomberBomber Posts: 121
edited February 2016 in Product Suggestions

Is there any product that is like Skin Builder Basic for Genesis 3? I'm mostly looking for a ghostly white skin that comes with it that can easily be adjusted to other colors. Thanks!

 

Genesis 1/2 version: http://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-basic-for-genesis-and-genesis-2-female-s

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited February 2016
    Bombkirby said:

    Is there any product that is like Skin Builder Basic for Genesis 3? I'm mostly looking for a ghostly white skin that comes with it that can easily be adjusted to other colors. Thanks!

     

    Genesis 1/2 version: http://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-basic-for-genesis-and-genesis-2-female-s

    I saw those too and I don't know how that works but I think like you - I would like extemely pale skin like in NW Europe and added to that various ethnicity / sun exposure tint overlays. It must be done very simply with tint opacity images. http://www.daz3d.com/lie-baker

    This product below seems to have Lie Baker and various base textures build in but unfortunately it's for Victoria 5 only:

    http://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-for-genesis-and-genesis2-female-s

    How do I contact DragonStorm and/or Zev0 for support? I would not buy this unless I know I can modify the UV sets and source code it uses for other Genesis 2 & Genesis 3, both male and female characters, to create skins. There should be reasonable instructions with such a product on how to use and extend it.

    So that's the answer to your question - yes it's possible to do such a thing but the scripts must be extended and new base skins generated. It's shouldn't be that difficult if you started with the Skin Builder Pro for Genesis 2 Female & Genesis if those are made with quality documentation.

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  • Bombkirby said:

    Is there any product that is like Skin Builder Basic for Genesis 3? I'm mostly looking for a ghostly white skin that comes with it that can easily be adjusted to other colors. Thanks!

     

    Genesis 1/2 version: http://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-basic-for-genesis-and-genesis-2-female-s

    I saw those too and I don't know how that works but I think like you - I would like extemely pale skin like in NW Europe and added to that various ethnicity / sun exposure tint overlays. It must be done very simply with tint opacity images. http://www.daz3d.com/lie-baker

    This product below seems to have Lie Baker and various base textures build in but unfortunately it's for Victoria 5 only:

    http://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-for-genesis-and-genesis2-female-s

    How do I contact DragonStorm and/or Zev0 for support? I would not buy this unless I know I can modify the UV sets and source code it uses for other Genesis 2 & Genesis 3, both male and female characters, to create skins. There should be reasonable instructions with such a product on how to use and extend it.

    So that's the answer to your question - yes it's possible to do such a thing but the scripts must be extended and new base skins generated. It's shouldn't be that difficult if you started with the Skin Builder Pro for Genesis 2 Female & Genesis if those are made with quality documentation.

    Don't forget that the UVs for G3F and G3M aren't directly compatible with previous generations, so it's a lot more work to build from older skins than it would be to start with new ones based on the Genesis 3 UDIM compatible UV maps.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited February 2016
    Bombkirby said:

    Is there any product that is like Skin Builder Basic for Genesis 3? I'm mostly looking for a ghostly white skin that comes with it that can easily be adjusted to other colors. Thanks!

     

    Genesis 1/2 version: http://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-basic-for-genesis-and-genesis-2-female-s

    I saw those too and I don't know how that works but I think like you - I would like extemely pale skin like in NW Europe and added to that various ethnicity / sun exposure tint overlays. It must be done very simply with tint opacity images. http://www.daz3d.com/lie-baker

    This product below seems to have Lie Baker and various base textures build in but unfortunately it's for Victoria 5 only:

    http://www.daz3d.com/skin-builder-for-genesis-and-genesis2-female-s

    How do I contact DragonStorm and/or Zev0 for support? I would not buy this unless I know I can modify the UV sets and source code it uses for other Genesis 2 & Genesis 3, both male and female characters, to create skins. There should be reasonable instructions with such a product on how to use and extend it.

    So that's the answer to your question - yes it's possible to do such a thing but the scripts must be extended and new base skins generated. It's shouldn't be that difficult if you started with the Skin Builder Pro for Genesis 2 Female & Genesis if those are made with quality documentation.

    Don't forget that the UVs for G3F and G3M aren't directly compatible with previous generations, so it's a lot more work to build from older skins than it would be to start with new ones based on the Genesis 3 UDIM compatible UV maps.

     

    Thanks. I'm not wanting ports of old skins to Genesis three but to use that tool as it says it can be used: start with an unblemished base skin and edit it to create a unique new skin for a new character.

    So they need to extend their LIE Bakers scripts (or the buyers of their G2F/G Skin Builder Pro product) to use the DAZ / PA supplied UVs and create a base set of really unblemished base skins using the G3F / G3M UVs. They would need two base skins - one based on pale pink skin and one based on pale olive skin and create overlays for those. Well they may need three base skins as I just read people have 3 different types of pigment - pink (red), brown (pale is blond/olive), and black (pale is grey - that one must only be in hair). I'd need to research that. Add another - albinism - but that would mostly appears to pink/red base skin on the skin and white hair. Basically make the system work in general more like it works in people so it's easier to get good results.

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,011

    That's pretty much what the existing version is: very pale (for supernatural types), pale/pink, olive/medium, dark. Then some extra tweaks, and then more layering for makeup and such.

    The thing is, it's very hard to fake one skin type into another. Olive tone maps are very different from pale skin, and dark skin often varies in ways the other skin types don't (like pale palms/soles of feet, darker wrinkles, etc)

     

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,131
    edited February 2016

    That's pretty much what the existing version is: very pale (for supernatural types), pale/pink, olive/medium, dark. Then some extra tweaks, and then more layering for makeup and such.

    The thing is, it's very hard to fake one skin type into another. Olive tone maps are very different from pale skin, and dark skin often varies in ways the other skin types don't (like pale palms/soles of feet, darker wrinkles, etc)

     

    That's good to know that's how they done it. I wouldn't want to try and fake a pale olive with a pale pink or a super natural although I suppose with unblemished skin I guess you could really just adjust the hues but that's more CPU/GPU cycles. I've never looked at the internal representation of these skins base diffuse images. I couldn't tell from the product description whaat they actually do. Maybe I'll buy and modify for Genesis 3. Have you looked at the scripts and LIE Baker that come with it?

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