I don't make enough art for myself... Other PA's with this problem?
Valandar
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Honestly, other than a character portrait for AD&D here and there, I honestly don't think I've done an image for art's sake in forever. Then again, what happens is I get an idea for an image, part of it isn't in my library, so I make it - then check the store, and yep, nobody's made it for DS yet. So then I make it as a product, and the image idea becomes one of the promos.
Anybody else that's a merchant have this problem?
Oh, and the latest of said character portraits is this, my current gnome ranger with too much body hair:
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I wish I had that problem. I keep trying to finish a character I want to submit for sale, but get distracted and do other art or try out new products I just purchased. This would be my first product, so there's a huge learning curve! After like 50 partial renders with Iray to get the skin just the way I want it, I need to take a break to do art LOL!
Yes, but then I get pipped to the post. Two days ago I started work on a deco style lobby . . .
I started out with the intention of producing graphic version of my novels. I've built a bunch of sets (most of which are built to render standards, not store standards), made a bunch of characters and props. But have I rendered a single frame? Nope.
Not me as I am not yet PA. I produce few pictures per month depending on my free time, but I wish I could make 3d like that, I mean just wow. Ad&d for me are magical words, I hope I will get more serious with my work, I need to work a bit more and shape things up and maybe one day it will happen. I wish I could make books and illustrated stories. I am still trying to make my own RPG rulebooks and do illustrations for them. For now I have done about 30 various pictures with DS but for me that mostly leads into more postwork and learning to do postwork better and not to create 3d content though I really wish to learn to do it good too, but lol what I need to do first is to learn to make games for my RPG. I am not sure if I will be able to make that all happen but I am trying. Here is my latest work http://thefantasiesattic.net/attic/cpg/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pid=27431#top_display_media now I better do another :)
I know what you mean - I have nothing ready for sale yet, but since I started modelling clothes and accessories I stopped making art. It doesn't worry me - I just take it as a natural part of my "evolution" ;-)
In the past there are so many things/interests, that took place of something else, I once enjoyed (started one, quit the other in a fluid transition) ... hm, I think it's about learning. I like to develop new skills :-)
Yah there's never enough time, or hours in the day. And promos somethimes take a lot of time and energy, Nonetheless I try to churn out atleast a couple "just for the sake of art" renders of the stuff I buy. I have an unwritten rule; I need to render what I bought, before I buy more.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/353/a-day-in-the-year-of-a-life-gallery/p5
I have this problem. I've only done a couple renders for fun in 10 yrs. All my renders are for promos.
I have to say that I just adore DAZ3d promos, why?... because they are really good and they are very motivating. I even thought to ask to use them in my books but figured that it would be better to do things on my own :)) Anyway here is one more picture for today from me together with a song ;) http://thefantasiesattic.net/attic/cpg/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pid=27435#top_display_media I hope I will post more of my work soon :D
Milos, in my case at least one of the promos for a given product is the picture I had the idea for in the first place. :D I should also note this doesn't apply to buyouts, with the exception of really, REALLY old products or my very recent Extreme Blades, the promos for them are done by a contractor for DAZ.
Sometimes you've got to force the fit through the shunnel. I'm not a PA, but I have had a similar problem in that everything I do is just a test of my NPR algorithms. At the beginning of this year, I forced myself to produce a new image everyday actually using the tools I'm developing. Only lasted for 2 weeks, but was immensely productive, and fun to boot.
- Greg
PS: I dig your archer! Is the morph available for purchase? He's got some elements I would love to add to the Genesis gene pool . . .
I guess this thread kind of answers a question I've had in the back of my head for awhile. I'm always curious about the art that some vendors do for themselves, but I hardly ever see anything in the galleries except for a limited few and those are usually the vendors who do characters or figures. I have tracked down DA pages where some vendors have a lot of their work since some isn't suitable for the DAZ galleries. It is a shame that vendors get into this because they like doing the art and then they become vendors and never have time for the art!
Hm, I don't think it's only because being a vendor is time consuming. As Valandar mentioned: " I get an idea for an image, part of it isn't in my library, so I make it - then check the store, and yep, nobody's made it for DS yet. So then I make it as a product, and the image idea becomes one of the promos."
That is creativity put into something else. Instead rendering a picture, he produces the elements/models that he needs for his vision.
For example one of my hobbies was crocheting, then I started knitting, then I started spinning my own wool for my knittings ;-)
I'm not a PA, but in the non virtual world, I've been making things for clients for decades, prototypes, sculpted items and artsy stuff... Yet the number of cool things I've made for myself is limited to very few items. I either don't have time or I get sick of making stuff... When I'm on the computer, I never make art, I make models... It's not exactly the same, but you are a type of commercial artist and most commercial artists, even those who get the freedom to create what they want or have a good amount of control over that, tend to be the same... Some dabble on little side projects for sanity or others pick one epic nutty project and obsess over it for years... But few that I've known really make much for themselves.
Actually, if I'm lucky, one day I might have a really nice Bryce render I started about 12 years ago on my G4 Mac... It should be about one third complete by now... If nobody unplugged it.
Right there with you, Val. I have a second deviantart for non-promo, non-tutorial stuff, mainly male peril and roleplay characters, but I post there pretty infrequently. Maybe once a month. I have a limited mental budget for art stuff, and if I get to 5 or 8 P.M. and I've used it all on work, I'm not going to render even if I have time. I'm going to play Minecraft or Morrowind or something instead, or even just sit around browsing Reddit for cute animal pictures.
Yep, been there, still doing the spinning, but haven't gotten much knitting done lately.
As a pose artist I cannot say I have had this issue. Sorry Val! I tend to treat all my main promos as if they were my art and there have been a few times that art has come out of the same promos. I just wont claim to have the greatest execusion in doing so!
Also been there, done that. For me it was a jewelry making obsession that turned into me making my own beads, and quilting that turned into me painting/dyeing my own fabric.
People make pictures that are not for promos? I guess some people must, otherwise we don't need to make the promos, do we? I really don't make any art for "myself," just for the sake of making a picture. To be honest though, I never did very much of it before I was a vendor either. My passion has always been in the parts. I love mucking about in the DS surfaces tab to see what new combinations I can come up with. What happens when you invert the black and white map? How would this clothing item look if it was textured in denim, or had a different transparency map? I love making the little parts, and then setting them free, to see what other people who don't live in my head make with them.
This happens to 2D artists as well. As a comic book artist I'm hired by companies and indivuduals to do art for their comics and novels. At the end of the day you've worked so much on art for other people that you don't do any art for yourself (either because of time constrictions or you're just tired and need a break from that program or form of art). It's been ages since I drew anything for myself. That's, sadly, the nature of most comercial artists be it 3D or 2D. That's one of the reasons I've started to learn 3D - it gives me an alternative media for creating art. So if I get tired of drawing I can create art in Daz Studio. You might try that too, pick up a different program or media and get your art and creativity fix in that program as a break from the commercial products. :)
Every so often I do a comp picture that is sort of almost kind of like doing art for myself. Other than that I try and at least do some image that I like when I am doing promos. Sometimes that works out where I feel like I did art and sometimes not. I do want badly to do more images that I feel less constrained about though.
I'll volenteer If any of you Pa's need promos rendered, Just hit me up I would be very willing to help yea all out :) it would be fun
{REMOVED} Sorry double post
Got it, now I just need to try to do things I need by myself :)
One of the hazards of making your hobby your job--then you need to find a new hobby! ☺
If I only could do that :)
RawArt manages to make some excellent "for the love of art" Art
http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/#galleries/100537