Daz 3D is part of 
Connect
DAZ Productions, Inc.
7533 S Center View Ct #4664
West Jordan, UT 84084
Licensing Agreement | Terms of Service | Privacy Policy | EULA
© 2024 Daz Productions Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Comments
DAZ_Steve said this:
On this page (near bottom). I can't find anything more formal than that, though.
Nice that there have been no DRM releases for a couple of days. The recent upswing has been giving me pause to continue investing in Studio. Hmm...
They mostly come on Fridays.
They mostly come at night... mostly.
It's pretty much impossible to find an actual indpedant study that supports that. The best examples we have are the music and book industries which both tried DRM and then abandoned it. The music industry because they were forced to which is telling in and of itself and e.g. TOR books, because they realized they were antagonizing their actual customers and saw no adverse effects from abandoning DRM. They shifted their focus to community building instead. As a sdie note, BAEN has been releasing books for free for well over a decade now -- they even used to incluide a CD with hardcovers many,many years ago.
DAZ released Kenji 7 HD DRM'd so I skipped it. Now Kimo 7 HD comes out and I'm skipping that too because I finally broke the chain of having all of the HDs. Several of the DRM'd poses and that new hair that just came out DRM'd would have gone into my cart if they were not DRM'd. These are concrete examples of lost sales from a loyal customer.
I was going to do the nuke site from orbit line but Daz might take it the wrong way.
Well they lost all my sales. I don't shop here anymore - I just drop by now and then to pick up my PC+ freebies, then I'm gone to spend on another site!
Haha! Classic!
Neither am I!
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/70624/you-ve-been-heard-response-re-4-9-and-encryption/p60
And for general amusement, a screenshot of the post in question.
Wait, it was to Ivy in the first place...
No. They did say that they would not necessarily do metadata-only updates for DIM, while Connect installs would get any metadata updates automatically when the user logged in, but nothing was said or implied about content updates (updates to the actual files) not being made available though DIM (or manual download and install, though it would then be up to the user to find out they existed).
Nice! :)
I'd have little reason to visit if they went full DRM, so the only products I would buy would be those involved in clearing up any credit I had outstanding; but if there are plans to do that, we certainly don't know about them.
Thanks, WOW Man! thats shows how old I am.. I already ask this question, & Prolly more than once. too,......lol ((BLUSH))
For sure there's plenty to keep busy with Studio as it is for now (including all the content I've purchased under the delusion that I'd get time to use it). But that's a different issue to the one of me further investing my (limited) time, energy and resources into a platform that looks like it will diverge from where I want to go. The potential of Studio at the moment (with Iray incorporation, plus DAZ and the vendors upping their game, etc) is really exciting, but it looks headed into a closed world of DRM encryption. I don't want to pay money for things that at best I have to jump through hoops to use, and at worst can lose the use of altogether.
If the entire shop would go "new sales all DRM" starting now, and they do keep their de-encrypt after one year promise, it would simply mean for me that all new items that are in the shop go to my wishlist, and if I am still interested in them after that year is over, I will buy them in the next sale.
Stopping to buy entirely at DAZ store would be self-flaggelation, IMO, but me not buying when it comes out first, and buying later at the sales is a money statement that they'd see in their sales statistic... especially if a lot of other buyers do the same. It would be interesting to see that really happen, and what DAZ3D would do then. If they'd decide then to keep their content encrypted after the year, it would, unfortunately, mean I'm out of here.
That's very interesting to see. I tried to run this way and DAZ !STILL! replicated almost my entire library into its own directory:
D:\Users\<username>\Documents\DAZ 3D\Studio\My Daz Connect Library\data\cloud
I did NOT buy any "encrypted/cloud/connect" garbage. I loathe the entire concept of their so-called "low/no intrusive" scheme. This is why. Without asking; no popup message, no notification at all, DAZ Studio copied nearly my entire asset directory contents into that \cloud directory. You might want to look again at your \cloud directory content. Since I have NO daz-connect content, why did it copy non-encrypted data to the \cloud directory?
I realize there are those proponents of protecting their assets/works by any means necessary. That seems to also include performing background manipulation without operator notification. So we go from what, protecting assets using an encryption scheme (ok, I see inherent problems in that implementation as others have) to have the DAZ Studio product deciding that since it's on the users machine we'll just take the opportunity to do things behind their back? Since this data migration occurs without notice, what else is this "connect" doing that they don't want to have absolute transparency in information?
When they say it's protecting the creator's works, what's protecting us from background processing they don't feel compelled to share with us?
This is potentially a symptom of something else. Until "daz-connect" was implemented I knew what was going on. I'm not saying "the sky is falling" but am drawing attention to DAZ Studio behavior that should NOT occur. After attempts to get a clear answer on this from the tech staff, I was told it should not happen. That non-connect assets should not migrate because the "cloud directory" was for connect-only assets.
I have installed the whole smash on a different system and it did it again. Copied everything from the assigned DAZ install location to the \cloud directory. If you have non-connect assets installed you might just mouse-over them and see where they link to. Even though I have the original, non-connect content in the install directory I chose in DIM, the mouse-over link points to the asset as being in the \cloud directory.
No explanation is forthcoming from D3D. It's the kind of thing that makes you question what else does this "protect the creator's works" take advantage of while it runs. I have used the login to get updates to products but since I have no encrypted content there should be no reason to put stuff in \cloud.
It's not a fear of the unknown, it's seeing behavior that should not occur and did not occur before "connect". Ok, so worst case scenerio: DAZ decides to force encryption on everything, retroactively using the migrated assets (the \cloud directory). Since they didn't pop-up notification for the migration, what's to stop them from shoving this "it's good for everyone" idiom down our throats?
Give a mouse a cookie...
edit1: I removed the contents of the \cloud directory. Behold, all my links point to the original DIM configured install directory locations. So if I update Metadata or do a Product Update, what will it do?
edit2: ok. The links/mouse-over are correct. Browse to file location pulls up the DIM installed directory and all the assets are there. I'm using on the Content Library just to be clear. When I try to add the asset to the scene I get the Resource Error message box "Could not open file : /<location of duf file is shown>" "File does not exist."
Interesting since all the assets do, in fact, exist exactly where the Content Library link shows. So by clearing out the \cloud directory it has made the original assets unavailable.
So the argument that the encryption scheme doesn't cause a valid, paying customer to have problems is a fallacy. So I will attempt now to use DIM to reinstall and see if that corrects the broken linkages that "connect" created.
edit3: I had to uninstall all assets and reinstall using DIM in order for them to work again. So "connect", without notice, copied all content to its \cloud directory and then all the links overrode the actual DIM install directory setting. That is NOT connect-only data being manipulated here. This is DAZ-connect performing an undesired function without authorization. That has nothing to do with encryption or DRM. It forced that to happen. Now tell me "connect" is a good thing. Like many others I won't be spending my resources on encrypted assets. After the far too many thousands I've spent at the DAZ store only to be treated this way.
I understand the PA's desire, but making a good customer angry is the best way to get no income.
Hmmm.... interesting. And disturbing. I checked and I do have that directory, but it's empty. I've never logged into Connect.
If you do not log in to DAZ with Studio, Connect does nothing. If you do log in, Connect will pull down the metadata for all products you've purchased that have metadata - these files will end up in /data/cloud/meta in your connect directory - on my system, with some 7,000 products, this directory takes up about 446 MB. If you log in AND select some number of products on either the Install pane or the Smart Content pane AND right-click and select 'install' - then and only then will Connect copy down the products selected and add them to your /data/cloud directory.
446mb of metadata you arent using o.o Good thing I never logged in. 4.9 is annoying enough already.
Since I did have to reinstall recently, I had to download Studio again. When I went to the homepage, it told me to download DIM (there was a small direct link for studio too.) The moment I loaded DIM, it told me that it was installing 4.9. Didn't ask, didn't let me go to options and set up where I wanted things, nothing. Fortunately, I cancelled it. Also fortunately, I had all my DIM content backed up prior to the reinstall.
If I was a new user, logging in after this and Connect downloading all this crap and being told to use that while I'd started with DIM to GET the program (and updates for it later, associated content that isn't easy to see in the Smart Content pane, etc.) and then being having links in my new Smart Library that pulled down Connect versions of things, I would be insanely confused.
As a more experienced user, if all my content had been in Connect then I'd have lost everything when I had to reinstall and would get to download thousands of products all over again. I would have been super irritated (and unable to do anything much for days.)
Today's encrypted content:
http://www.daz3d.com/aiko-7-expressive
http://www.daz3d.com/kailani-outfit-for-genesis-3-female-s
Added to both lists in the first post ...
Please check: Release Date: 2016-08-06 is OK?
Date looks correct to me. Thanks for adding to the lists.
Thank you for the confirmation! (timezone fun and chaos - LOL)
Poor Aiko doomed to have her expressions locked away in a box forever.
There's a story there ;o
Well yeh, Pandora has already had that story told, and the poor girl got a bum deal... Besides, it wasn't a box, but something more like a jar, or urn.
I uninstalled the various SQL components; in another thread DAZ_someone said that SQL may be needed for additional functionality in the future.
Not only have I not logged into Connect (I did in an early Beta to test it out - and I've since reinstalled from a disk image), but I can't log into Connect.
I see far too many issues, and folks (maybe due to being unaware how it works) are not finding it easy, which I understand is the primary motivation for Connect system.
Connect: not keen, but not 100% against; not liking what I read, but again that could be due to 'our' lack of familiarity.
Smart Content improvements: would be interested, but...
DRM: It gets on my system over my well-rotted corpse.
Richard, isn't that a bit like stacking the deck?
Reducing the download impact (for those on metered connections) is a way of encouraging the switch; presuming I am understanding the processes correctly.