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I will chime in briefly in that i have been trying to create a realistic looking 10-12 yo. character so far, trough 3 generations of figures, and have spent far too much time and money on morph sets and textures, and base figures to do it. most seem either as was stated earlier in the tread "creepy" or just far too cartoonish for what im looking for. i do not presume to criticize any PAs products. Art is infinitely subjective. perhaps it is meerly a lack of skill on my own part at the root of it, But to quote U2, i still havent found what I'm looking for. The above creations by Angel-Wings are pretty much the closest thing to realism I've seen in a kid's figure, and would snap them up immediately. beautiful work. A set of DAZ base figures that match the adult base figures for realism, seems unlikely at best at this stage. the closest i think they came may have been julie/justin in generation 5. Tween Julie 7 is quite adorable, but still far too stylized for realism, and her morph is so strong that it seems to dominate rather than blend. i fear realistic kids are seen more as a taboo that DAZ would rather not indulge in, for fear of some sort of backlash.
I have been watching this thread. I do agree that having a base Kids 7 would be great. I really haven't had an interest in kids but this thread and Angel-Wings fantastic renders have got my creative juices flowing. I have the Growwing up morphs but haven't touched it until now. Making kids is not really that difficult though. A little tweeking of the poses and some clothes and hair is a challange but I made these with very little effort. Not fully rendered but just enough to see if I could do it.
Those are some very nice renders ALLIEKATBLUE and Angel - Wings.
With the Growing Up morphs and textures, as well as the Tween characters and 3D Universes stylized kids, I think G3 is the best figure for kids since V3/M3 and the Millennium Preschoolers and Young Teens. Unfortuneately we still have the problem of not enough kid friendly clothes. Kids 4 had plenty of clothes, but as was already mentioned, the K4 base looked wrong. If DAZ released a Kids 7, we would get several outfits, some poses, and characters with appropriate textures.
Boys clothes are fairly easy. Most male clothes work well on the Growing Up morphs and there is not a lot of difference between kids styles and some adult styles. Some boys pajamas, shorts, and maybe winter coats would be nice, but jeans, tee shirts, and school uniforms are pretty well covered. Girls styles on the other hand can be significantly different from adult styles. There are dress and shirt styles worn by young girls which are not worn by adults. Also, it takes a lot of work to fit adult clothes to younger girls.
As far as children not being worth a PA's time, I find it interesting that Zev0 has made the Growing Up morphs for all three generations of Genesis and even added the Growing Up merchant resource texture sets for Genesis 3. In fact, if a PA wanted to make a child character, Zev0's resources could be an excellent starting point. If Kids 7 required the Growing Up morphs, I wouldn't object at all, and it might increase sales for Zev0.
@Zylox, I think Zev0 saw a niche that needed filled, much as SickleYield has done with her "Faces of" series of morphs, and was willing to take a risk that other PAs may not be. And ultimately that's what it comes down to; PAs that choose to make products that don't sell as well as others do usually are willing to take more of a risk.
Adorable renders ALLIKABLUE! What bases did you use? Mine all seem to have that wierd adult vibe retained when i make them. As i said perhaps i simply lack the talent and perspective to create what Im trying for. love seeing everyone's wonderful works here though! Very lovely, and inspiring, thank you all for sharing!
My apologies ALLIEKATBLUE! should have checked my spelling before last post. Sorry.
It's ok @wickedxxangel. So I really don't have any particular base. What I did was look for a sweet face, not to angular and fooled around with some character skins with the no make-up option but glossy lips. I have sooo many charaacters so my favorite to blend in is any P3D or Thorne characters to get a pouty lip and big eyes. After applying the growing up morph I just fooled around with the head shape and breast morphs. Add a sweet expression and that's what I came up with. There are a lot of clothing that can be adapted for a child, just look for some jeans and t-shirt stuff and some dresses that don't have a low cut neckline. Surely, It would be easier to have a plain ole Kids 7 base package, I would get the pro bundle just for the base figure and some clothing. But just like I didn't wait around for black character once the Monique and Darius for G3 came out, I just dial them in to any existing character I have and I can make my own. I find this whole 3D art to be a challange to my own creativity and I like what I am able to come up with on my own. But still, a Kids 7 would be great but until then, the growing up set is wonderful to use.
I now doubt very much that there will ever be a Kids 7 package. In reply to my enquiry, the DAZ3d Marketing Department simply referred me to Zev0s "Growing up for genesis 3" morph packs. Presumably they consider this sufficient for their clients who would like to render realistically proportioned kids. I am not knocking Zev0's morph packs. I have used his morphs, but I always need to do additional work in Zbrush. It looks like this will continue to be the case. As for the HD baby, I assume that this is also a lost cause.
Can't say I'm surprised, though it's not fair to folks that want a simpler workflow, or those potential PAs that actually want to make kids and not adults.
Hey bravo,
Looking forward to seeing your work :)
ok, so here's a bunch of pics of the topo...sorry for a couple of them, mouse got in the way, if I need to retake lemme know lol. This one is female, 4 yro. I also have a male but it was so identical in topology I didn't bother to take any screenshots, but if y'all still want to see them I can.
Looking nice. So, what is the youngest age this could be dialed down to? Say, 1 or 2 years old? Or would that be done with a seperate package?
I suspect 2 is probably as young as I'd ever need it. Presumably infant to 1 or 2 would work better as a dedicated Baby7 morph pack.
Actually I'm rather amazed at the number of people who will post a shot of a Victoria 7 Gen 3 character next to a K4 kid, and say, "see they look completely compatible", when the results looks like Bob Hoskins in a scene with Roger Rabbit. So one has to take into account that some people simply don't have the artistic eye to tell the difference; even though they can spot when a hair product looks photoshoped and not realistic because it doesn't have the requisite amount of sheen, or gravity isn't affecting a spit curl in just the right way.
Bravo,
Thanks for showing us the results of all your hard work. I would like to make a couple of constructive comments. You indicate that this is a 4 year old character, in which case I would expect the head to be somewhat larger. The second issue I'm not so certain about, but it seems to me that the limbs (at least the arms) are a bit long for a 4 year old.
I do think you've got the hands and feet in correct proportion. Kids have short fingers :) Keep up the good work.
Zev0 just released a new teen figure for his Growing Up morphs. I want to encourage Zev) to continue creating characters like this, so I plan to buy it this weekend.
https://www.daz3d.com/molly-hd-for-genesis-3-female
You might want to consider going to your local library or college library and checking out artist reference books. They can give you a good idea of how the proportions for arm and leg length as well as head size vary at different ages. Another reference might be stock photography sites.