Can one use Morris's G3 merchant resources to create G8 characters?
3Diva
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I know some PAs are totally ok with people using their G3 Merchant Resources to make G8 characters (like the awesome Hinkypunk!), since G3 and G8 share the same UVs. Are Morris's merchant resources also able to be used to create G8 characters?
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She is starting to release merchant resources for G8.
Yeah, I know. But that doesn't answer the question. heheh :) They could release new MRs and still allow people to use the older ones.
To be honest, you would have to ask her about it, and that would mean going through a third party in one way or another.
I don't think Morris is active in the forum, so you'll probably need to file a help ticket to ask the question. The only thing that's clearly forbidden, according to the product information on the MR pages, is using them on free characters.
Ok, thank you. :) I was hoping I'd be able to bypass putting in a ticket - usually the forum is faster. :)
For what little it may be worth, DTG has just released a character at Rendo that uses Morris' medium tone G3M resource on a G8M character. They may or may not have asked, to be sure, so it's probably good to ask anyway.
Hmmm Sounds like they probably do then. :) I put in a support ticket, to make sure.
DId you ever find out if you can use Morris's gen3male MR skin on gen*male?
I never heard from Morris so I contacted customer support and talked to Emma H who contacted the QA team. She said:
"Here is what our QA Team:
"Yes... the fact that it is a merchant resource is not limited to a particular generation. So if she CAN use it for Genesis 8 then she is allowed to use it. "
Please let me know if there's anything else that I can assist you with.
Thank you,
Emmalee"
EDIT (01-24-2018):
After talking to a forum mod about this and having been told by them that the previous response from Daz is inaccurate and that you have to get permission from each PA, I sent in another help ticket to get clarification on that. This time they gave me a completely different answer on this:
So conflicting information and wasted time... :(
AWESOME!!! And thanks so much, Diva. You really have been so helpful...
You're welcome. :) Happy character creating! I look forward to seeing your character(s)!
That’s good to know other stores do limit the generation the resource can be applied to. Glad to hear that isn’t the case here.
Yeah, I was really surprised. I heard one PA here said they don't allow people to use their G3 Merchant Resources to create G8 characters (unless it's a G3 AND G8 product) - which seems contradictory to what seems to be Daz's policy given what they said in response to my query.
Any restrictions should hopefully be in the product description... so users can understand what they are buying.
Exactly what i have heard a few times also. Kinda strange that Daz have a different view.
Well that answers my Morris MR question now to find out about Forbidden Whisper and Nathy! Those are the other MR's I own!
Just got a PM from Anna (ForbiddenWhispers) stating it's fine to use the MR's for what ever you wish! Not just waiting to hear from Fly028 as I have his and Nathy's Dark Beauty resource. Contacted him over at 'Rosity as I don't know how to contact either one here on the DAZ forums
Yeh, they NOW say that you have to ask each PA. Totally different information than the first time. That's extremely frustrating to put work into something based off of what you're told then to be told something totally different. :(
You should be able to read the readme. Some of them have restrictions on bases, some of them don't (you cannot add new and exciting restrictions to a license after the purchase).
The difficulty is that most of the licenses and readmes are absolutely silent on this issue. It's more or less understandable, up to a point. Mil4 textures could be used on Genesis, but new resources had to be developed for the native Genesis UVs. Genesis 2 base (and other) UVs were notably different from Genesis, and Genesis 3 base UVs were very different from Genesis 2. This is the first of the Genesis generation transitions where developing new merchant resources for most human textures was absolutely not needed. (Well ... not needed enough, anyway.) The licenses and readmes don't address multigeneration use because for the most part, it simply didn't happen often enough to be an issue before.
Of course, the fun with that is that at least on the male side, there are four merchant resources being used and used and used and used and used by almost everyone. (And not one of them is dark-skinned, either.) There are more on the female side (duh), but still.
I hope some vendors develop a few more resources, ideally with clearer license terms.
@Divamakeup, will Daz help you get in touch with Morris? It seems a bit much for them to say, "You have to ask the PA" and nothing more; if the PA doesn't participate in the forum, you have no way to get in touch. If I were the PA, I wouldn't want Daz handing out my contact information to all and sundry -- and I sincerely doubt they would -- but if they don't mediate the contact, then saying "You have to contact the PA" is essentially "No, you can't do that."
Poked around looking at the various merchant resource product pages here. Part of the complication is that there aren't necessarily separate readmes or licenses included with the various products, and merchant resources kind of need them. Oddly enough, Anna's MR product page is fairly specific about what you can do; she's kind enough not to let that be a limit. (IANALawyer, but I would rather strongly suggest that anyone wanting to use the ForbiddenWhispers merchant resources for other than their original use should get in touch with her, because of that specificity.) Most of the product pages for other resources are very general, and beyond "don't make freebies with this merchant resource", this type of use isn't clearly stated. (Because, as mentioned, entirely unanticipated.)
Daz may want to start being more specific about the information required for the product pages with anything that can be used as a merchant resource, since, effectively, the product page (in combination with the readme) states the license terms.
Don't forget that the set probably has a "for such-and-such" in the title, which may constitute an indication that it is not for other figures.
If someone wants to be sure of a reading that deviates from the PA's, with respect to non-standard usage, they need legal advice not forum advice.
One should definitely read the actual license agreement to check for such restrictions.
Yeah, I'd like to use a Forbidden Whisper merchant skin resource as the base for a skin texture for a custom figure that I modeled. I don't trust myself to accurately interpret the documentation. I'll try reaching out to the PA and to Daz and hope for the best.
I think sending in a helpdesk ticket for clarification would work too. That means **each** person that has a question about it would send in a ticket, not "this person got a response on the fourm so I should be fine".. that only means that person who was specifically addressed got the exclusion, not you. Everyone else is still bound by the EULA/licence unless given some type of express permission. Everyone would need to request the clarification for their protection or as Richard says, get legal advice.
But that's the issue: the actual license agreements (as such) may not really exist or have enough information. It's an artifact of how things are set up at this site. Here, you have the product page, the readme (sometimes) and the DAZ EULA which in combination are your license agreements. The product page may not be specific enough (or, conversely, general enough, depending); the readme will mostly just duplicate what's on the product page along with technical information unrelated to the license, and the EULA covers everything on the site and so can't be specific enough. (I don't think, but am not certain, that the EULA has any specific language covering merchant resources. No idea.)
Other sites include license agreements in the ZIP file that has any additional information needed. Sometimes it's on the product page as well. That doesn't always happen here.
That's why DAZ may need to be more specific about what information they need and present regarding merchant resource products, and to be clear about whether or not the product page information constitutes the license for merchant resources.
If DAZ sells merchant resources that don't specify that they can be used to create products for sale, for sure I'd be wary of that resource also. I don't buy texture resources for skin, maybe this is more common with them.
That's not actually what I meant to say -- although I see how it came out that way -- but I think I've reached the stage where I'm not only confusing others but also myself, and so I will gracefully withdraw.
I heard back from ForbiddenWhispers and Fly028/Nathy and both are fine with us using MR's for generation 8. So all is good now...
What are Merchant Resources? Are they a special thing that only merchants are supposed to buy?