V6 Celebrity
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V3 had the digital clone of Anna-Marie Goddard. V4 had Reby Sky. V5 seems to have missed out. Anyone know if there will be a V6 "real" digital person?
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V6 is pretty new, but give it a little time.
There will be some V6 celebrities in short order.
You sure tsarist? I mean wheres my V5 celebrity? I guess Genesis got Reby Sky for Genesis....
I put Reby in a K4 outfit once. Sure I deleted it by now... Oh no I found it.
Sorry, just had to share.
EDIT: OK I guess I did two reby renders...
I can't be 100% sure (I'm no big Daz insider).
I'm surprised we are up to V6, since V5 is not really that old.
I can't imagine them pushing ahead to a V7 as quickly as they made the most recent jump.
So that's why I'm guessing there will be a V6 celeb.
Not 100% certain though.
I guess I wonder if we would ever get another celeb is my point. Unless it's someone like that Byrns girl or that Farrah chica.
I just don't see it.
I just don't see it.
That is my wonderment as well. I remember the reactions Reby received. At first, they were quite positive. Reby and the photographer (sorry, I forget his name) hung out in the forums and answered questions. Then the morons showed up and started all manner of negative comments. Reby stopped posting. It was appalling. Why would anyone want to go through that?
That is sad :( Thanks for sharing, I didn't know that.
John Barrowman's got plenty of experience in handling negativity, no problems with showing off his “assets” (he's positively gleeful about it), and has a large fanbase (most in science fiction fandoms) who'd be ecstatic about getting a posable anatomically-correct 3D-clone of him. It'd be a great way to bring in new customers, and might sooth fears of even-further-reduced male-figure support in the G2 generation.
And Reby's photographer's back on the forums, his current screename is Randall Lloyd.
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Holy crap! Randall's back! :-)
Though, how come he's not with DAZ anymore?
Greetings,
Genesis had a Reby Sky version also, fwiw, which may qualify as the 'celeb' for the 5thGen series.
And yeah, I was sad to see DAZ_Rand go away; one of the folks who interacted a lot with the forum. It's really nice to see more DAZ_* names showing up these days.
-- Morgan
I think I would be simultaneously incredibly creeped out and yet possibly unable to resist.
... But mostly kind of creeped out. I mean, yes, consenting participation is better than otherwise (and there is a LOT of "otherwise"), but still. (Then again, I suppose there's not a huge distance between having dolls made of yourself -- albeit with molded-on clothing, usually -- and this. Although the molded on clothing kind of matters.)
I have always been astonished that Reby Sky consented and participated. It just seems so potentially ... icky. Which it turned out to be, apparently.
The internet would explode if they did a V6 Kate Upton
The other inspiration was slimfast commericals. Gia is way thinner than Gina...(and if you know me that's not meant to say Gina is too big by any stretch)
I'd like a male digital clone, but we know that will never happen.
Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the point of "celebrity" models. A lot of folks using Studio/Poser are doing this to create stuff that appeals to their own fantasy ideals, and dial in whatever their definition of the ideal human form is. And for the folks doing contract/production work, a celebrity model has limited usage unless you've been contracted specifically to replicate that particular person.
The biggest non-professional use of celebrity clones is fan art. Yes, you can use your own interpretation of characters, for example Professor Snape, if you're into the Harry Potter fandom and want to do some renders of your favorite scenes. All very well to start from scratch. But it certainly helps if you have an Alan Rickman look-alike somewhere in your runtime, ready to play the part. ;-)
(Of course, that's assuming you are doing movie!Snape who can be quite different from book!Snape.)
The biggest non-professional use of celebrity clones is fan art. Yes, you can use your own interpretation of characters, for example Professor Snape, if you're into the Harry Potter fandom and want to do some renders of your favorite scenes. All very well to start from scratch. But it certainly helps if you have an Alan Rickman look-alike somewhere in your runtime, ready to play the part . . .
There are already plenty of fanartists who work in traditional media or 2D painting programs (Euclase is an excellent example, and tumblr's fanart tag has a good range but may not be safe for workplace viewing), and far more people who want to make fanart but aren't happy with their skills. DAZStudio would be perfect for them, if a) there were good Genesis emulations of the characters in demand, and b) this site was more welcoming to women looking to make art with male subjects. Unfortunately for this, most women in fandoms are keenly aware of how media impacts various social justice issues, and aren't likely to start buying from a company whose product line is so heavily skewed towards (to take just one example) male gaze privilege. This is one of the reasons I'm so disappointed in Genesis2 -- the return of the gender-split base figures and renewed primacy of female base characters undoubtedly makes the T&A fans in the current customer base happy, but it locks DAZ out of other potentially lucrative markets. Hence my recommendation of John Barrowman for the next celebrity clone -- unlikely as DAZ is to go for him, this might turn the tide a little.
Another reason for clone-characters: realism. Take Reby Sky -- a dial-spin or sculpted emulation of her is unlikely to have captured her as well as body-scanning and cloning her did. She's my go-to Genesis female character not because I'm a fan of hers or because I think she's super-sexy, but because IMHO she's got the most real face and bodyshape in my runtime. A celebrity character can be made unrecognizable with a few dial-spin tweaks while still retaining the real-person look. So yeah, I'd like to see more character shapes cloned from bodyscans of real people. A lot more.
Like this, you mean?
If people would take the time to use reference photos when they are spinning dials, you would get more realistic characters and not have to worry about the expense of body scans, etc. Reference photos with dial spins can work. It's just that not many take the time to do it correctly. That's another reason textures and clothes often don't look as good as they could... the lack of referencing real world photos.
Personally, I have to agree with some of the later people that posted and say it's not about the celebrity status of the model but rather if the textures look 'real'.
I mean, here we all are, and it's now 6 months after the initial release of V6 female and now we have V6 HD but do we have textures that when we put them on those HD meshes, that look real? I've only recently discovered Reby Sky. I have no idea who she is and to be honest, I don't really care but I do know that I like the texture on that old V4 character.
I subscribe to the principle of 'Garbage In, Garbage Out". The elements of your picture are the most important... You can have the best lighting and surrounding in a picture but if the textures look fake then your picture is going to end up looking like a cartoon.
I believe that the future in character modeling is going to be reliant on having 'real' looking textures and not just one based on a sample of skin and tiled over the entire human body so it all looks the same color... that seems to be the biggest mistake all of the texture makers do that I see. You can't tile human skin because different parts of the human body have different colors.. maybe your arms are darker then your legs because you wear pants all the time.
I get so tired of new characters having flat single color skin. I wonder who can make a photo realistic looking render and share it. Whats the most realistic looking textures you can find and whats the name?
First, I don't get the celebrity thing either. Second, what made the Reby Skye texture set so good isn't the photographic diffuse channel textures. This set is one of the few that have properly and well done bump, specular and SSS color and strength maps.
One of the things I didn't liked about the textures was the near black specular maps.
Just a quick point, while not a big name celebrity, the Stephanie 5 shape, and the Joanie texture is a digital clone of a real person, Joanie Brosas is her model name.
If they did another "celebrity", the HD morph system might create a stronger resemblance than in shapes past.
Stephanie 5 base? Or Model?
Personally, I have to agree with some of the later people that posted and say it's not about the celebrity status of the model but rather if the textures look 'real'.
I mean, here we all are, and it's now 6 months after the initial release of V6 female and now we have V6 HD but do we have textures that when we put them on those HD meshes, that look real? I've only recently discovered Reby Sky. I have no idea who she is and to be honest, I don't really care but I do know that I like the texture on that old V4 character.
I subscribe to the principle of 'Garbage In, Garbage Out". The elements of your picture are the most important... You can have the best lighting and surrounding in a picture but if the textures look fake then your picture is going to end up looking like a cartoon.
I believe that the future in character modeling is going to be reliant on having 'real' looking textures and not just one based on a sample of skin and tiled over the entire human body so it all looks the same color... that seems to be the biggest mistake all of the texture makers do that I see. You can't tile human skin because different parts of the human body have different colors.. maybe your arms are darker then your legs because you wear pants all the time.
I get so tired of new characters having flat single color skin. I wonder who can make a photo realistic looking render and share it. Whats the most realistic looking textures you can find and whats the name?
I totally understand what you mean! I mainly try to do photo realistic renders and it usually takes forever for me to find a texture/character that can fool (or almost fool) a person into thinking it's a real person. The best textures/characters (in my opinion) is the older DAZ Elite textures and Reby Sky. The closest I was able to get to photo realism was with one of the Elite textures (M4 Sol).
Stephanie 5 base? Or Model?The Joanie Texture is her skin, which was not ready in time for the release of Stephanie 5. The Stephanie 5 shape is her body scan.
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I totally understand what you mean! I mainly try to do photo realistic renders and it usually takes forever for me to find a texture/character that can fool (or almost fool) a person into thinking it's a real person. The best textures/characters (in my opinion) is the older DAZ Elite textures and Reby Sky. The closest I was able to get to photo realism was with one of the Elite textures (M4 Sol).
First off, let me say that your render is awesome and without a doubt realistic. To date, I think that's the best render I've seen to match realism including anything I've ever made. I love photo realism in rendering and I'm glad to see somebody else that appreciates it too. Thanks for the heads up on M4 Sol, I'll be purchasing that myself as soon as I budget it.
This is my best runner up.. V4 Milan by Danae.
I hope more people share.