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  • SnowPheonixSnowPheonix Posts: 896
    edited December 1969

    ArtXtreme said:
    ropeman said:
    V3 had the digital clone of Anna-Marie Goddard. V4 had Reby Sky. V5 seems to have missed out. Anyone know if there will be a V6 "real" digital person?

    Personally, I have to agree with some of the later people that posted and say it's not about the celebrity status of the model but rather if the textures look 'real'.

    I mean, here we all are, and it's now 6 months after the initial release of V6 female and now we have V6 HD but do we have textures that when we put them on those HD meshes, that look real? I've only recently discovered Reby Sky. I have no idea who she is and to be honest, I don't really care but I do know that I like the texture on that old V4 character.

    I subscribe to the principle of 'Garbage In, Garbage Out". The elements of your picture are the most important... You can have the best lighting and surrounding in a picture but if the textures look fake then your picture is going to end up looking like a cartoon.

    I believe that the future in character modeling is going to be reliant on having 'real' looking textures and not just one based on a sample of skin and tiled over the entire human body so it all looks the same color... that seems to be the biggest mistake all of the texture makers do that I see. You can't tile human skin because different parts of the human body have different colors.. maybe your arms are darker then your legs because you wear pants all the time.

    I get so tired of new characters having flat single color skin. I wonder who can make a photo realistic looking render and share it. Whats the most realistic looking textures you can find and whats the name?

    I totally understand what you mean! I mainly try to do photo realistic renders and it usually takes forever for me to find a texture/character that can fool (or almost fool) a person into thinking it's a real person. The best textures/characters (in my opinion) is the older DAZ Elite textures and Reby Sky. The closest I was able to get to photo realism was with one of the Elite textures (M4 Sol).

    I just wanted to say thank you again for introducing me to M4 Sol. I've since bought it and its now my new favorite male for my runtime... granted, I made some minor modifications to update it but it really is a GREAT looking texture.

    I hope in the future that DAZ makes textures like this one the new standard. They are capable of great things if they do.

    “What's terrible is to pretend that second-rate is first-rate. To pretend that you don't need love when you do; or you like your work when you know quite well you're capable of better.”
    ― Doris Lessing, The Golden Notebook

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  • ArtXtreme101ArtXtreme101 Posts: 68
    edited December 1969

    ArtXtreme said:
    ropeman said:
    V3 had the digital clone of Anna-Marie Goddard. V4 had Reby Sky. V5 seems to have missed out. Anyone know if there will be a V6 "real" digital person?

    Personally, I have to agree with some of the later people that posted and say it's not about the celebrity status of the model but rather if the textures look 'real'.

    I mean, here we all are, and it's now 6 months after the initial release of V6 female and now we have V6 HD but do we have textures that when we put them on those HD meshes, that look real? I've only recently discovered Reby Sky. I have no idea who she is and to be honest, I don't really care but I do know that I like the texture on that old V4 character.

    I subscribe to the principle of 'Garbage In, Garbage Out". The elements of your picture are the most important... You can have the best lighting and surrounding in a picture but if the textures look fake then your picture is going to end up looking like a cartoon.

    I believe that the future in character modeling is going to be reliant on having 'real' looking textures and not just one based on a sample of skin and tiled over the entire human body so it all looks the same color... that seems to be the biggest mistake all of the texture makers do that I see. You can't tile human skin because different parts of the human body have different colors.. maybe your arms are darker then your legs because you wear pants all the time.

    I get so tired of new characters having flat single color skin. I wonder who can make a photo realistic looking render and share it. Whats the most realistic looking textures you can find and whats the name?

    I totally understand what you mean! I mainly try to do photo realistic renders and it usually takes forever for me to find a texture/character that can fool (or almost fool) a person into thinking it's a real person. The best textures/characters (in my opinion) is the older DAZ Elite textures and Reby Sky. The closest I was able to get to photo realism was with one of the Elite textures (M4 Sol).

    I just wanted to say thank you again for introducing me to M4 Sol. I've since bought it and its now my new favorite male for my runtime... granted, I made some minor modifications to update it but it really is a GREAT looking texture.

    I hope in the future that DAZ makes textures like this one the new standard. They are capable of great things if they do.

    “What's terrible is to pretend that second-rate is first-rate. To pretend that you don't need love when you do; or you like your work when you know quite well you're capable of better.”
    ― Doris Lessing, The Golden Notebook

    No prob! Great render by the way!

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,581
    edited January 2014

    I just wanted to say thank you again for introducing me to M4 Sol. I've since bought it and its now my new favorite male for my runtime... granted, I made some minor modifications to update it but it really is a GREAT looking texture.

    I hope in the future that DAZ makes textures like this one the new standard. They are capable of great things if they do.

    I hate to contradict you again, but I hope DAZ never makes a texture like this again. It's probably one of the worst they've made. You're not looking correctly at the texture.

    To see why, morph a round face and make the body shape obese. Do a render without the shirt.

    What do you see?

    Do obese people have rib cages showing?

    Absolutely not.

    I get annoyed at textures that keep detail such as ribcages, scapula marks, and cheek creases in them. They are inflexible (and they can hide a lazy morph if you're not careful) and don't work with other morphs other than fit, muscular characters. Not to mention the specular needs to be cleaned out of them. This doesn't work with all lighting. And textures should work with various lighting, because that's drives good renders... not textures.

    Good lighting and materials can make bad textures look good, but a good texture can't save bad lighting and materials.

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  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    edited December 1969

    ropeman said:
    V3 had the digital clone of Anna-Marie Goddard. V4 had Reby Sky. V5 seems to have missed out. Anyone know if there will be a V6 "real" digital person?

    v4 has another one that totally look like the real person, mrl riley alias jessica biel

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,437
    edited December 1969

    I just wanted to say thank you again for introducing me to M4 Sol. I've since bought it and its now my new favorite male for my runtime... granted, I made some minor modifications to update it but it really is a GREAT looking texture.

    I hope in the future that DAZ makes textures like this one the new standard. They are capable of great things if they do.

    I hate to contradict you again, but I hope DAZ never makes a texture like this again. It's probably one of the worst they've made. You're not looking correctly at the texture.

    To see why, morph a round face and make the body shape obese. Do a render without the shirt.

    What do you see?

    Do obese people have rib cages showing?

    Absolutely not.

    I get annoyed at textures that keep detail such as ribcages, scapula marks, and cheek creases in them. They are inflexible (and they can hide a lazy morph if you're not careful) and don't work with other morphs other than fit, muscular characters. Not to mention the specular needs to be cleaned out of them. This doesn't work with all lighting. And textures should work with various lighting, because that's drives good renders... not textures.

    Good lighting and materials can make bad textures look good, but a good texture can't save bad lighting and materials.

    While I agree with MM on the undesirability of painted-on shadows and highlights - I was very annoyed with the initial V6 maps for this - and complain loudly about hair with painted-on specular highlights we do need to recognise that for others these are vital parts of the textures, and they will complain if they are absent. Really what we need is a clear idea of what we are getting so that each camp can choose the products it wants.

  • Male-M3diaMale-M3dia Posts: 3,581
    edited January 2014

    I just wanted to say thank you again for introducing me to M4 Sol. I've since bought it and its now my new favorite male for my runtime... granted, I made some minor modifications to update it but it really is a GREAT looking texture.

    I hope in the future that DAZ makes textures like this one the new standard. They are capable of great things if they do.

    I hate to contradict you again, but I hope DAZ never makes a texture like this again. It's probably one of the worst they've made. You're not looking correctly at the texture.

    To see why, morph a round face and make the body shape obese. Do a render without the shirt.

    What do you see?

    Do obese people have rib cages showing?

    Absolutely not.

    I get annoyed at textures that keep detail such as ribcages, scapula marks, and cheek creases in them. They are inflexible (and they can hide a lazy morph if you're not careful) and don't work with other morphs other than fit, muscular characters. Not to mention the specular needs to be cleaned out of them. This doesn't work with all lighting. And textures should work with various lighting, because that's drives good renders... not textures.

    Good lighting and materials can make bad textures look good, but a good texture can't save bad lighting and materials.

    While I agree with MM on the undesirability of painted-on shadows and highlights - I was very annoyed with the initial V6 maps for this - and complain loudly about hair with painted-on specular highlights we do need to recognise that for others these are vital parts of the textures, and they will complain if they are absent. Really what we need is a clear idea of what we are getting so that each camp can choose the products it wants.

    Yeah, my complaint is that some people define realism in textures alone and that's far from the truth. When you have these issues in textures... laugh marks when none exists in the morphs, defined body shadows in flappy morphs... it takes away from the realism, especially when the lighting is poorly set up. I would guess that things would be necessary if you're not bothering to learn light setups so that light creates the proper shadows of the body so that you can tell your model has laugh lines or a defined body. It's little things like that actually make your renders look real.

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,776
    edited December 1969

    Yeah, my complaint is that some people define realism in textures alone and that's far from the truth. When you have these issues in textures... laugh marks when none exists in the morphs, defined body shadows in flappy morphs... it takes away from the realism, especially when the lighting is poorly set up. I would guess that things would be necessary if you're not bothering to learn light setups so that light creates the proper shadows of the body so that you can tell your model has laugh lines or a defined body. It's little things like that actually make your renders look real.

    Couldn't agree more. Looks especially bad when using unbiased rendering. Richard has a point though, some users rely heavily on the baked in details unfortunately. Since it is hard to see if they are indeed baked onto the texture when looking at promos, it really should be stated if that is included or not as i feel it is a deal breaking more and more lately and I have deleted a few se3ts i bought because of how bad/pronounced they were.

    Snowphoenix, MM knows what he is talking about and it trying to give you pointers. The characters he and his team produce are of high quality. Since we have all seen your work at the end of your posts, there is definitely always room for improvements, for all artists.

    One of my fav textures sets is Abbey from ARTCollaboration, simply because it comes withe an AO and baked details version and one with hardly any, shows they are using their heads during the design process..

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,263
    edited December 1969

    Since the thread is degenerating the thread is being locked.

This discussion has been closed.