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Ugh I'm sorry! I do hope you find it in yourself to continue.
...Thank you.
BTW I totally enjoy your "commentaries" and find them to be a pleasant break from RL trauma.
..thank you.
I remember those drives, we affectionately called them 'Maytags", because yes, they did look like a top loader washing machine. We also had tape backups of the backups as well so if worse came to worse it was, load up several of the the "Kelvenator" tape drives (so named as they were as big as a refrigerator) start the recovery process, and go get some coffee.
...ours were Digital Corp.
..thank you all.
Yeah it will be a monumental task. I actually use a lot of old content as I not only have the Beta of 4.10 running but 4.8, 3.1 (64 bit), 2.3, and yes, even 1.8 all concurrently running (C: Drive so that isn't lost) as some older content doesn't fare well in the latest versions (I still love LDP2 and Nerd3Ds environments/effects for example).
The tough part will be reconstructing the lost characters and scenes I need (the Railway Station scene was still a WIP).
Sorry to hear the bad news, KK. Good luck rebuilding.
Oh, and those huge "Maytag" drives? I remember the IBM 3330 and 3350, which gave way to the 3380 and 3390 drives. If I remember correctly, the 3350s and later weren't removable. And after the 3350, they were mounted in an oversized-refrigerator cabinet with the HDA's (Head Disk Assemblly) spindle parallel to the floor; 1 HDA per cabinet, and looked like a Wascomat commercial washer, with a big rubber belt going from the motor to the drive spindle.
Times have changed. The big drive platters with oversized cabinets have been gone for decades. They're all standard-sized HDDs now, mounted inside of big storage array cabinets. They're emulated to appear to the OS as if they were still the old drive types, of course, but the physical drives now look like regular drives and you can swap them to change out bad mirror drives, etc.
...thank you. Yeah decided to finish the full network setup and making a few other adjustments/updates before re-installing everything (just received the router I ordered).
I remember back in the late 80s early 90s we had what we called the "doorstop" a 660 MB full height internal drive which was where the data for a CD product was assembled before sending to the CD "write once" burner.
This thing was a beast in comparison to today's drives about the size of a medium sized brick with 5.25" platters rotating at 3,600 rpm.
heh.. remember the infamous 3390 bad bearing issue?
I thought this might benefit from an update, a couple years on. It's been some seven years since that 1 TB 'spinner' HD went to neverland. Today I have over 40 Runtimes, most reside on a 2 TB SSD, and most are backed up to BluRay disk (25gigs ea). My content has been reinstalled, and using external Runtimes is wonderful. But I have yet to rebuild my centaurs. Xai and Break ought to be easy, so the evolutions of Xai should be too.
I turned 66 on July 1, 2020 and decided to do another "Birthday Build" computer. Being as the last one was in 2008 this one was way overdue! Really, I used that same PC for 12 full years. The new one is named Bad Moon RYZEN. IT's a Ryzen 7 3700X in an ASUS TuF Gaming Plus (WiFi) X570 motherboard. 64 gigs DDR4, an ASUS TuF Gaming GTX 1650 Super 4g GDDR6 vid card, 6 SSD's, 2 Acer 24" LED widescreen monitors, Win 10 Pro 64. All air cooled, and it runs cool, happily. Quiet too. I'm a happy old doofus now!
Hi! Long time no see! Is that an old Maxtor drive? My first 100 meg drives, first 1 gb drives were Maxtors. I still have a few of those old spinners. Some are perfectly good, others bombed. Lilke that old 1 TB Seagate. Sigh. Nothing hits harder than losing your hard work.
...interesting to see this thread brought back to life particularly as the PSU in my 8+ year old system popped this past Sunday. Been heck having to do everything on the phone for nearly the last five days (old eyes and very artitic hands are not conducive to texting on that small virtual keypad & tiny screen). Then there's having to deal with HTML tagging here on the forums to format thngs properly
Back to the PSU failure, looks like nothing else was damaged as there wasnt a visible flash, flames, or any smoke. Have a new unit on the way (arriving by Tuesday), an 850w modular one so cable management will be a lot easier. One positive side to this it gave me a chance to do some minor upgrades, do a bit of maintenance, perform a thorough cleaning, (can't believe where dust can get into) and figure out a better cable routing plan to tidy things up a bit more (that Titan X is a big card)
The power supply blew... yeesh, I had that happen in a G5 iMac years ago.
It had a PSU that was riddled with bad capacitors from the "Capacitor Plauge".
I feel for you... that sucks a lot, and I'm sorry to hear that happened.
On a side note... For anyone who has never heard the term "Capacitor Plauge", it refers to an event (around 1999 to 2007) where a capacitor manufacturer engaging in industrial espionage made a knockoff electrolyte formula they stole from a competitor and sold assorted cheap "high performance" capacitors to various electronics companies.
These capacitors in the case of computer were used primarily in power supply units, motherboards and video cards, but many found their way into other products like CFLs, stereo equipment and other devices.
The capacitors had a "higher than normal" failure rate, and somehow managed to flood the market with their crappy presence, leading to a plague of dramatic PSU and motherboard failures... and when they failed, they did it spectacularly.
Unfortunately most manufacturers just flipped customers the bird and denied responsibility for using faulty components.
Eventually several manufacturers gave in to pressure (lawsuits) and replaced defective components, but several managed to weasel out of doing the right thing... one of whom took weaseling to an epic level.
I've heard capacitors "pop" before on stereo equipment, but when these things went it was like firecrackers... and it wasn't just one that exploded. It was most of them.
Several shredded the capacitor's cans (not popped the top on the score lines... blew it up!) and left large patches of heat damage....
To make matters worse, I was actually leaning forward to look at something on the screen when that happened and I had no idea what the eff was happening and thought someone was shooting at me (that's usually my first thought... it's a complicated explanation).
The damage was limited to the PSU, and I was able to repair it, with no help from Apple who wanted to charge more than the computer was worth to replace the PSU (the Apple Care was a little over a month expired and they knew it was a manufacturer defect)... about a year and a half later the motherboard popped too, but not as spectacularly and that was it. About a year later I found out about the capacitor plague by accident and how badly most manufacturers screwed customers.
I don't know how accurate this is, but apparently loads of those capacitors are still out there and occasionally show up in random products.
If you ever see capacitors with "Tayeh", "Chhsi" or "Choyo" don't trust the product or if it's applicable, replace it immediately.
Sorry to sidetrack this thread, but every time I mention capacitor failure, it awakens my inner Ralph Nader and I have to mention that incident.
Somewhere I still have the board and debris from that PSU, but this is what the damaged cans looked like... (not my pix, internet reference)
Yea, I've replaced quite a few of these bad capacitors on mainboards and PSUs. It's only a couple of months ago I had to repair a couple of Intel boards for the second time as a few more caps on them had gone bad. Luckily I've only had one that blew up (in a DVD player).
I'm sorry, I know exactly what this is like.
A few years ago I was doing a backup to an external drive but the external drive was at max capacity so I decided to delete the backup file for my work drive and all the older revisions of that backup and do a single clean new backup since my work drive had grown significantly since the last backup.
The backup was in the middle of it's job when I get an error that the backup failed, I try it again and it fails, then the drive is gone from the system. No clicking but not recognizable in the system or bios. Well the drive is dead and I literally just deleted the F'n backup for all my college work/3d work/photography work/video editing/audio, music work. Basically everything I had done during and after college for myself and for work. The 3d work I would be sad about but the photography was absolutely devastating as it's not only my portfolio work but family and friends too.
I had no choice but to go to a local computer shop that offered data recovery and let them recover it. They managed to get everything and now I'm super paranoid about my data, so I backup in several places and I'm always checking the status of those backups to make sure they're ok.
Hope the best for you, KK.
...took a more thorough look with a magnifier, and none of the capacitors appear to have popped or exploded. From what I could see, none of them were the suspect brands McGyver mentioned. The only two oddities I found were a loose piece of what appeared to be some kind of insulation material and a dead winged bug (how that could have got in there past the fan I have no idea).
I saw no loose connections anywhere and no burn marks on the board or any components so what blew is a mystery. Didn't remove the board from the PSU chassis so not sure if whatever popped may have been on the other side.
They don't necessarily pop, they may just bulge a bit on the top.
https://www.markdigital.com/2011/02/14/bad-capacitors-lcd-monitor-repaired/
Be sure to use high temperature caps (like 105°C or higher) if you replace them btw.
I thought you actually heard a "POP" when your PSU died because you said the "8+ year old PSU in my system popped last Sunday" and I guess you meant this more figuratively than literally... My bad... I've done that before... when the news people said the "Dot com bubble burst" and the "Housing bubble burst", I was like "I didn't hear anything".
I was like, "well, maybe I had headphones on or I was mowing the lawn or something"...
I'm always having things explode around me... like my lawn tractor battery which squirrels sabotaged, two defective nine volt batteries and the lithium battery in a R/C car which we got our daughter... and that's only a few (non-deliberate) things... so it's understandable I'd assume your PSU exploded.
But yeah, I just figured it made a noise.
Years ago... okay, decades ago, a friend of mine had a really powerful stereo he built and he managed to fry some of the capacitors on it while showing me how cool it was... two or three had actually popped open... it wasn't until then that I realized what the little "x" embossed into the tops of most larger capacitor cans is for... it's actually a stamped relief detail so if the capacitor blows, it does it less violently... in that case the cans popped and split on the seams... but like Taoz said, most bad capacitors just bulge up before they cook out the electrolyte to the point where they no longer function.
I can't edit my post...
I just realized you did hear a pop... just a thought, but depending on how loud/violent it was, it could have even blown out at the bottom of the can... on my Mac, I thought some of the capacitors survived, but the actual blew out slightly from the rubber plug where the leads go in.
They looked okay, (not discernibly bulged) but then I noticed they were loose and they came off when I touched them a bit... I guess if the can is too thick and the scoring isn't deep enough, the rubber if it's not entrapped well, could give out before the thing blows.
...yeah used the term figuratively. It seemed more like the sound of a ruler being slapped on a hard surface. Again didn't see any evidence of burns or other discolouration on the board or other components. Of course without removing the board fom the chassis (the cables are blocking one of the screws), I am unable to get a more closer look.
I can't wait for the PSU to arrive so I can get my sustem up & running again. This phone rubbish is getting on my nerves as after I enter a few words, the keypad will suddenly disappear, and when I move the cursor to a different location, like to fix a typo, it often asks if I want to "Paste". Also the popup that says "Draft Saved" often covers up the area where I am entering text.One of my favorite electron guys on YouTube is "CuriousMark". Great videos fixing the guts of all sorts of electronic test equipment and computer gear. And just today I was browsing clips of his that I hadn't yet seen and found this one complaining about "Capacitor plague". Enjoy.
Also, I like to watch his clips because sometimes he has guests,with additional expertise. One of his guests that appears usually when Mark is fixing computer stuff is Carl Claunch a guy that I was roommate with in college for a while back we were both familiar with the college's IBM 1130 computer and we both worked in the schools computer center. He also has his own YouTube clips demonstrating his 50 year old rebuilt IBM 1130.
For a long time I had all sorts of IBM 1130 material. Punched card decks, books, a full rack of official manuals, games, and listings of OS code and some of the modifications we made to the OS to better suit the college's needs. But, unfortunately all that got tossed 15 years ago. (*sigh*)
What a coincidence... one of my aliases is "Electron-Man"... I didn't know there were more of us... but I suppose I can't be the only one to be dumb enough to get zapped by an old 70s magnetron while trying to fix it.
Which is how I got my powers... After thirty years, I don't actually know what they are yet, but I suspect it has something to do with alcohol consumption or bacon eating.
I did the same thing to myself on my personal laptop once while on travel. Luckily for me, I always travel with a backup drive in my checked luggage. So a quick restore (and a 2 hour wait for the 1 TB of deleted data to be restored) later, and I had recovered the stuff that I'd deleted that morning. I'm such a knucklehead.
The work machine is backed up through the network automatically, but that machine has only a few hundred gig on it and my most important data is on various shared space at work and not on the laptop's own media. The personal laptop has 8 TB of SSD drives on it, but they're not filled to capacity, so I can save multiple cycles of backups to a single 8TB spinning disk.
...back up and running again. Installed and wired up the PSU yesterday evening, ran several tests to make sure nothing was damaged by the sudden outage (the only "casualties being I had to remove one fan [only 4 accessory connectors] the audio isn't working, and the case fan power connections on the MB don't seem to work anymore). Had to sit through about an hour of AV scans and dealt with a few minor bugs, but looks like everything here on the dark side of the moon is good again. System seems to be running a bit faster as well (boots up quicker too).
The nice thing besides the extra overhead is having a relatively uncluttered case as the unit is modular so I only had to install the cables that would actually were needed. No more multi tentacle monster with cables going everywhere, many of which were never used..