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Sack, bag or even the colloquial poke, the word is not about a tight fit. I've never seen a sack of potatoes that looked form fitting or shrink wrapped.
From my point of view it is more about boobsack looking like a foreign object on the chest (sack for/with boobs) than about the method which it was made with (shrinkwrapping/modeling around breasts)
Overly fitted clothing doesn't look like anything in a sack it looks like what is under the clothing. When I said shrink wrap I meant the pre modeling definition of the word that involves plastic and a heat gun.
I think the applicability of various degree of sackness to boobs is a rather personal definition. If you want to use clinginess instead I won't argue but I'm finding "boobsacks" to entirely and adequately represent the appearance of chest area in badly modeled clothes from my point of view.
When the issue was noticed, static cling or clinkwrap was what was used. Honestly this is the first I've seen the term 'boobsack'. lol
Kattey, I'm not talking about clothing and never have been.
O_o what we were talking about then?
Seriously? You have been defending the word like crazy but you didn't realize it was what offended me?
Seriously? You have been defending the word like crazy but you didn't realize it was what offended me?
I was defending my right to say "boobsack" when I see a boobsack, but other than that, not really, no.
I believe the original reference was aimed at clothing and not intended to be insulting, if taken out of context it may seem that way.
I have seen something in creating clothing that I believe he may be referring to. It occurs when clothing is modelled for the female genesis form using the female base mesh as reference. Reverse deformations are usually used to correct this in Daz Studio when importing.
If the clothing piece is straight imported to Daz Studio and auto fitted to Genesis and a male figure is dialled up. The breast area of the clothing deflates and indeed looks a little like a crumpled sack.
I have attached an image of the effect.
In my experience modelling female clothing to a somewhat androgynous base Genesis figure is rather challenging somewhat akin to tailoring dresses on a male mannequin and trying to imagine while designing how the female form would look in it.
Example breast deformation image attached.
Doing a forum search for boobsack brings up threads back to July featuring the term, and that was just in the Commons. (Didn't search any other forums)
Just saying :coolsmirk:
From my point of view it is more about boobsack looking like a foreign object on the chest (sack for/with boobs) than about the method which it was made with (shrinkwrapping/modeling around breasts)
Shrink wrap, boob sack whatever you want to call it..... but I must agree that its much easier to make feminine clothing for a more feminine base figure.
With Genesis 1 it was beyond annoying trying to accommodate all the Gen female breast shapes when you started with nothing.
I'm on the fence about the Genesis 2 gender split, in some ways its good, in other its bad.
But from the point of view of developing clothing, it definitely makes life a lot easier.
oops double post - please delete.
I always thought the term involves the word 'boob' - and thus seems to be specifically targeted at female clothing - because that's the area where the problem becomes the most visible and thus most annoying.
And I wouldn't say clothing like this looks only tight. It just looks impossible.
And I really can't find another term that adequately insults clothing like this without breaking forum TOS. But I'm open for suggestions.
It refers to way many female clothing unnaturally clings to the shape of breast. It was an unfortunate shortcoming of the auto-morph transfer from Genesis to the clothes placed on it. We were told Genesis 2 Female would fix this as the clothing is modeled to a female shape to begin with, and yet it is still happening with G2F's items. See Fantasy Fighter as a prime example.
http://www.daz3d.com/fantasy-fighter-for-genesis-2-female-s
It doesn't automatically fix the problem, but it makes it certainly easier for content creators to counter this, while in the Genesis case this is heck of annoying to resolve this. Still, if a content creator does not account for this, then an item still 'clings' to the shape - the software / figure concept does not automatically make clothing less clingy - nor should it as you may want 'clingy' on occasion.
This is easily fixed by custom morphs.....all the vendor must do is export the auto generated morphs created by auto fit and adjust it some.
This is easily fixed by custom morphs.....all the vendor must do is export the auto generated morphs created by auto fit and adjust it some.
Yes, the problem is fixable but the fix wasn't made by the vendor, i.e. vendor decided it was fine to release the outfit in this shape and state. As a customer I'm not paying for the outfit I then have to fix myself, but also I think outfits like this one are examples of lazy work, where a vendor doesn't care about the comfort of the end user or proper quality standards.
Yes, the problem is fixable but the fix wasn't made by the vendor, i.e. vendor decided it was fine to release the outfit in this shape and state. As a customer I'm not paying for the outfit I then have to fix myself, but also I think outfits like this one are examples of lazy work, where a vendor doesn't care about the comfort of the end user or proper quality standards.
I hear what you saying, but actually for the product you give as an example, I think what you see is how its intended to fit - (by design), take a look at the last two promos to see what I mean, there is piping under breast area. The design might be physically impossible in reality, but in its defence - it is a 'fantasy' outfit. So anything goes.
But yes, as my own general rule of thumb stands, I will always read the what's included & features list for clothing, if I see no morphs listed at all, I'll usually pass, as auto-fit often a hit and miss affair in terms of quality.
Doing a forum search for boobsack brings up threads back to July featuring the term, and that was just in the Commons. (Didn't search any other forums)
Just saying :coolsmirk:
12 results, forum-wide, most of which are by Kattey, whoopdiedoo- your point?.
Still doesn't mean I've heard/seen it before... :roll:
.. but, I digress.