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it's a huge pain in the neck. i've tried three suggested workarounds, and none of them do work...they all fail in different ways.
typically, it's a server delivery choice...trying to save a little bandwidth by delivering a basically alien-to-every-graphics-program-you-own format because pngs and jpgs are a little heftier.
one of google's lamer ideas. :/
it even affects freebie png icons developed for freebie studio items, if they're presented as separate downloads, and not included in a zip file.
somebody talk to somebody, please! i don't care if it's a daz web team decision or a random cloudflare intervention, it's superannoying. and it's killed my ability to maintain offsite wishlists for specific projects.
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The workaround I am using is using JDownloader. If you copy the image link of the picture you want, then JDownloader grabs that and adds it to the list. JDownloader will then download that as a jpg. I grab all the promo images of all the products I buy to use as reference when deciding which product I need for a particular project, and I do not want them in a format my favourite image viewer can not read. You have to download the images, rather than relying on looking on them online, because if the product is withdrawn for any reason, all the promo shots become unavailable.
I noticed this the other day myself. You can try this chrome extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/save-image-as-type/gabfmnliflodkdafenbcpjdlppllnemd
Basically, it adds a new menu option allowing you to save an image as jpg or png. My only complaint is it's a bit klunky. But, since Mac OS Finder doesn't recognize those .webp files, downloading them is totally useless, since I open finder up in thumbnail view and lookin over stuff until I see what I'm looking for.
If you're using MacOS, just download w/ Safari. It treats them as jpegs.
Hi all
open webp in IE save as jpg or bmp
et voila. see you later
I use IE tab extension with Chrome. (We use it at work because there is a software used daily that has to be opened in IE.)
Anyone using Windows still has the option of using Internet Explorer when it comes time to get promo images. Just copy the url of the product page desired, open Internet Explorer, paste the url in the address bar, and right-click, save as for each desired promo image. When done, close Internet Explorer and carry on. No converters, plugins, utilities etc. required.
I've not been updated to win 10 next version (1809?) and am still at 1803. I mentioned in another thread that MS has put 'blocks' on machines that don't have something in their intel video driver and need an update before they roll out their update to those machines. I seem to be one of them.
BUT MS has been updating my machine quite a few times lately and maybe are doing it piecemeal because I just got an update that enabled .webp.
Now Explorer recognizes and shows .webp images.
EDIT: Looking back in thread I noted I installed Google's .webp codec but it didn't work. Maybe something happened to make it work (pc magic perhaps but there's always a specific reason) instead of a windows update. ::shrug::
This worked for me without restart in Firefox. I use the extension Hard Refresh to refresh webpages so Firefox does not use my web cache.
Also you can use XnView software to view and single/batch convert webp to jpeg or png or whatever.
Firefox Change config to not accept webp format
1. I opened a new tab and typed about:config on the address line.
2. using the search line I found line item: image.http.accept
3. my default value was: image/webp,*/*
4. i changed it to: */*
5. Then I used "Hard Refresh" to reload the webpage I wanted to get the jpgs from.
Mann o hate webp. Like pits in my bowl of cherries. Like brown grass my dide of the septic tank
DAZ 3D / Cloudflare webp image is not the same quality, in my opinion, as the jpeg image. I was going back to re-download some product pages for items I recently bought but were stored as webp on my original download. After I did a few products I thought maybe I should just batch convert the webp that I have. This is when I realized that even the original webp I downloaded is not the same as the jpegs I am now downloading. Please see the attached screen capture and look at the cheeks. This a screen capture on a 2K monitor with each image zoomed to 238%. Webp on the left and Jpeg on the right. Can you see the difference?
I realize it is not an earth shattering issue but someone went to the trouble of making a good quality render for the purpose of influencing me to buy the product and to save 20kb of space for that image you downgrade it? I thought the big advantage of webp was copyright control for the image source and a better compressed image than the jpeg with equal image quality to the original jpeg/png?
The image without labels was taken webp and jpeg side by side screen capture of XnView. The image with webp and jpeg labels was XnView webp and Faststone Image Viewer jpeg.
One other point. When I save product images as Jpeg, I can see their thumbnails in windows explorer, but not with webp.
So I'm coming in here late, so I apologize if these have already been said, but two quick fixes I've found so far. Maybe they're recent fixes, so they may be worth a try if you haven't in a while. I'm using Chrome Version 73.0.3683.86, for reference.
Click on the promo image you want to save for the full size version of it. Right click on the image and pick Save Image as... Then ignore the Save as Type dialog option at the bottom and type .jpg into the file name, then hit Save. The file, at least for me, saves as Jpeg and opens in Picture Viewer, Gimp, Paint, and everything. People are reporting, though, that that doesn't work. So here's the worse option.
Right click on the image you want to save and hit Open Image in New Tab. Go to the new tab. Up in the address bar, select the word cache, the number right after it, the word image, and the long string of numbers and letters after it. Do NOT select the two letters (maybe numbers) between the slashes just before the product name. Delete everything selected, so that you have a complete URL, then hit enter. It reopens the same image and the Save as dialog now gives you the option to save as JPEG. Example of this:
https://www.daz3d.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/0/10-handbags-collection-00-main-daz3d.jpg
Remove everything from cache to the slash before the 1/0/10.
https://www.daz3d.com/media/catalog/product/1/0/10-handbags-collection-00-main-daz3d.jpg
And hit enter. This should now save as JPEG.
I'd try just typing .jpg onto the file name, though, first. It also feels like something one could easily write a script or extension to do automatically, but my programming days are long behind me. I was also able to make the file open by manually changing the extension from .webp to .jpg after saving, but as has been noted, there's a loss of image sharpness doing that.
Edge and IE11 still saves pictures in their original formats, and will hopefully not get infected with the webp format.
Since MS likes to be the initiator of new standards I suspect they will resist webp as much as possible unless there is widespread adoption by websites and they won't display properly without the webp extension.
I just tried MS Edge and Internet Explorer (IE) 11. They will both save product page images as JPEG, so that is good. However, only IE will save pages in a single file format which is MHT. Like MAFF this is not practical for future proofing. Saving the page as PDF does not produce a faithful reproduction for me. Therefore I use Firefox and Chrome with the "about" configuration/flags modification and the extension to Save As a single file html. I just hope that file format does not get ditched like MAFF was abandoned. I have hundreds of MAFF that I will have open and screen capture to preserve the data with an old version of Firefox (or unzip and open and screen cap). Not fun. I wish there was a permanent (extensible) webpage archive format supported by all browsers.
thhe webp disease is now on the product library images.
can yoo actually make it ant harder to enjoy a customer experience
Well, I've found one solution. I download the files as .webp images to a USB stick, transfer them to my art computer, and convert them in a batch to .png images using XnConvert, a small, free converter that works off line. https://www.xnview.com/en/xnconvert/
Still more work than before, but better than nothing.
I swear, the next time someone justifies higher prices or failure to fix defective products with "Well, my time is valuable!", I'm going to spit.
Because the customers' time is valuable as well, and DAZ is wasting it with this change.
It's easy enough to change a few settings and get the old behavior back, though I suppose people feel if they complain loudly enough, DAZ will make a change that may not make other users happy.
I reversed all the changes I made in Firefox when another update caused them to no longer work. But around the same time webp started to show up in Explorer (I'm on Win10). My viewer is both Explorer and IrfanView which shows and easily converts webp to anything.
So, when I realized I have no reason to pull these pictures into an editor (my PS doesn't support webp but Affinity does) I decided to just go with the flow and not worry about it.
I use Opera and only get .jpg files. .webp is a very old file extension started by Google but, as far as I know, was never adopted on any websites so I was quite surprised to see people mentioning it now.
i dont want to change browsers just to accomodate a store site's changes.
-grumpy
webp is 8 years old, and yet very few things support it. If it is really the future where is the support for it? And it doesn't seem that super easy to make these changes, I am not seeing where this has gone so well, nor am I seeing hardly anybody praise webp. We had a post showing that webp pictures are in fact WORSE than standard jpgs, which entirely defeats the purpose of swapping formats. Who are these users that are happy with webp? I want a list.
Here is another test:
https://www.andrewmunsell.com/blog/png-vs-webp/
Google themselves claim that the files are a lot smaller:
"WebP lossless images are 26% smaller in size compared to PNGs. WebP lossy images are 25-34% smaller than comparable JPEG images at equivalent SSIM quality index.
Lossless WebP supports transparency (also known as alpha channel) at a cost of just 22% additional bytes. For cases when lossy RGB compression is acceptable, lossy WebP also supports transparency, typically providing 3× smaller file sizes compared to PNG."
https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/
And it combines features from several other file formats into one, so that it can more or less replace these formats:
https://developers.google.com/speed/webp/docs/compression
All in all it may actually be a good thing, if everyone supports it.
Not in this case. Because they're recompressing lossy WebP images from already lossy JPEGs, you're getting two sets of compression losses and artefacts on a site that is supposed to be trading on artistic quality,
Admittedly, yes, if Daz would accept WebP as a format for the gallery, it would actually be a pretty strong upload format. However, automatically reformatting images other than to lossless formats is still not something that should be happening on a site like this.
If its so awesome why doesn't everything support it after 8 long years of existence? This needs to be answered, especially with big Google backing it, where is the support? I don't care what Google claims. If nobody adopts it, it doesn't matter. Beta was better than original VHS, LOL. And of course Google is going to claim its better, they have interest in this since they own webp.
And as has been stated, when you convert lossy jpg to webp, that's not really so ideal. This website is dedicated to art, not image compression. I see that webp only supports 8 bit color, and thus may lose color from 10 bit sources.
Also, it might depend on who you ask for quality.
"We consider this study to be inconclusive when it comes to the question of whether WebP and/or JPEG XR outperform JPEG by any significant margin. We are not rejecting the possibility of including support for any format in this study on the basis of the study’s results. We will continue to evaluate the formats by other means and will take any feedback we receive from these results into account." https://research.mozilla.org/2014/07/15/mozilla-advances-jpeg-encoding-with-mozjpeg-2-0/
Basically it comes down this: Very few programs support webp out of the box right now. There is no reason to FORCE users into webp until this fact changes.
I agree, was just speaking in general.
AFAIK this forum recompresses uploaded jpg files to a smaller size/quality (but not png). Though they may have changed that since I tested it, so I'll do a new test here:
Yep, it does - original jpg is 1.66 MB, when I download it again from the forum it's only 334 KB.
I read some comments from 2011 where they said it was lacking a lot of features. It has been improved a lot since then it seems. But once something has been deemed bad it's usually difficult to change its reputation. And then there is the general resistance to change, especially if combined with user problems like in this case.
As for google owning the format, it's actually open source and probably will remain so (otherwise they'll get into big trouble I think).
Agreed. But they probably think this may be the only way to get it out, under the current circumstances.
ETA: they link you posted leads to a page from 2014, I don't think these comments are valid anymore as the format has been improved since AFAIK.
There are solutions. But most of them add too many extra steps. The fastlane way is to grab downloads & screen shots of order etc. to an external drive on the fast new machine. Then flip to an older pc windows 7 or prior, and save images on product page as jpgs. The downside is you have to find the file folders all over again. Best options is on best fastest machine, dowload an older version of FireFox prior to Webp compliance (64 or earlier). Yes we can time travel back to the days before webp. I have no idea how webp can say their images are better. A ton of the webp images look like crap on my 4k 38" lg monitors. I also understand that webp is connected to javascript commands that are enabled at the website. Here is a link to old FF versions. My understanding is anything prior to 65 wil work.
https://mozilla_firefox.en.downloadastro.com/old_versions/
I use Irfanview, so this doesn't bother me that much. I do see more compression artifacts on webp if I zoom in a few times. If you click on the promo, then right click and View Image, it is a JPG you are viewing, and can save. Guess what? For some of the new Kala promos at 1300x1000, the webp and jpg have the same file size!
Are you sure they aren't exactly the same file, just with different name extensions? I used to have that problem now and then saving image files from gallery sites. That was a long time ago, though, way back before I switched my browser from Internet Explorer to Firefox.