Questions about creating 3D Relief Models for CNC machining

cdordoni

fixmypcmike said:

Converting a mesh into a different format with software is unquestionably copying the mesh.

I am NOT talking about converting the mesh. Where did you get that idea?

I am talking about making a render and reinterpreting it into a 3d model that is different from the original.

The geometry is very different, and there is no texture map. Any "texture" would have to be applied to the relief on top of the sculpting so that it would be machineable.

fixmypcmike

cdordoni said:

fixmypcmike said:

Converting a mesh into a different format with software is unquestionably copying the mesh.

I am NOT talking about converting the mesh. Where did you get that idea?

From your exact words here:
...use a software tool to reinterpret into a DIFFERENT format from the original. Nothing that existed previously is being used.

This is clearly creating a derivative object from the original. It is absurd to say that nothing that existed previously is being used -- if that were the case, you wouldn't need to use the original mesh at all.

The EULA states:
Physical images (3D-print, molded copy, CNC-routed copy, and the like) of Content or any art derived from the Content is permitted only by User’s purchase from DAZ, via the User’s online DAZ store account, permission to deliver User’s derived works (art), including necessary Content, to an entity that creates 3D-images in a physical medium. User may then deliver User’s art in file format to that 3rd-party to have physical images printed or created, up to the limitations set forth in the online DAZ Store as delineated on the purchase page associated with the permission product. These limitations govern (i) personal and/or commercial use of the physical, printed images; and (ii) the quantity of 3-D printed images allowed.
Other Restrictions. This EULA is User’s proof of License to exercise the rights granted herein and may be printed and retained by User. User shall not give, sell, rent, lease, sublicense, or otherwise transfer or distribute the Content on a temporary or permanent basis without the prior written consent of DAZ. User may not reverse engineer, de-compile, disassemble, or create derivative works from the Content except as set forth in Section E above. These restrictions do not pertain to rendered 2-D images or pre-rendered animations.

Is there some part of this which you find unclear?

Richard Haseltine

cdordoni said:

fixmypcmike said:

Converting a mesh into a different format with software is unquestionably copying the mesh.

I am NOT talking about converting the mesh. Where did you get that idea?

I am talking about making a render and reinterpreting it into a 3d model that is different from the original.

The geometry is very different, and there is no texture map. Any "texture" would have to be applied to the relief on top of the sculpting so that it would be machineable.

And if you trace the render you are still using the DAZ model to generate your shapes, which on the face of it would be creating a derivative of a kind that is not covered by the EULA.

cdordoni

If this were clear, we would not be having this discussion.

Your EULA clearly states that 2d renders are not restricted. The 3d work is not derivitave, except by appearance only. By your words here aside from the EULA, you appear to be saying that 2d renders are derivitive work. Of course they look something like the original, no one is questioning that.

Daz need to update the EULA to indicate what can and cannot be done with a 2d render if they are going to place similar restrictions on the usage.

Until the EULA is made clear, everything said here is based on personal opinion NOT fact. Fix the EULA and this won't come up again.

Richard Haseltine

Renders are allowed by the EULA, subject to certain restrictions. That doesn't mean they are not derivative works, it means that, subject to those restrictions, they are permitted derivative works.

cdordoni

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