Printing Renders

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  • ConnaticConnatic Posts: 282
    edited June 2019

    A pixel can be one of the 16+ millions colors of the 24-bit palette. A printer which prints 1200 DPI can use a 4x4 grid of ink dots to add up to a single pixel of a 300 ppi image. That's 16 dots per pixel. Printer resolution and number of ink colors plays a factor in the print quality. I print with an Epson Sure Color 800 which prints 2880 x 1440 dpi. It is optimal with image at 360 ppi.

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  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275
    If this is all confusing just use an image for printing that is 300 DPI and you'll be good 95% of the time. The actual print process can also be a factor. Printing at the Walmart photo center is not going to give quality results. If you have a high end printer at home you still may need to calibrate and/or configure properly.
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,730
    mwokee said:
    If this is all confusing just use an image for printing that is 300 DPI and you'll be good 95% of the time. The actual print process can also be a factor. Printing at the Walmart photo center is not going to give quality results. If you have a high end printer at home you still may need to calibrate and/or configure properly.

    Only if it's the target size at 300PPI - as we've been saying above, 300PPI without specifying physical dimensions is meaningless.

  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,162

    I had a Canon inkjet and its ideal printing setting was 256 DPI, I don't remember where I found that, which I suppose was based on the dot size of the ink. You could print lower than that but printing higher caused the ink to bleed between dots and some images came out looking muddy rather than sharp, especially dark areas.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,730

    I assume you mean PPI? My old Epson recommended 240PPi for its (I think) 720 by 1440 DPI output.

  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,162

    It was a long while ago but I'm sure it was DPI.

    Now this I didn't know.

    https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/30182414

    Perhaps that is why 256 ppi/dpi was recommended at the time.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 102,730
    Fishtales said:

    It was a long while ago but I'm sure it was DPI.

    Now this I didn't know.

    https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/30182414

    Perhaps that is why 256 ppi/dpi was recommended at the time.

    It's rather old, and prine to muddling DPI and PPI (which is unhelpful). I think the 600 whicheverPI for Canons is somethign I would want corroborated from elsewhere - especially as the physical resolution of their inkjets tends to go in multiples of 360DPI (as do Epson's - HP goes by 300s, or did last I looked).

  • FishtalesFishtales Posts: 6,162
  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,515

    Sees like Epson is the highest DPI printer and prints up to A2. But oh man, so pricey!

     

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245

    ...I'm looking at services that do Giclee printing on large format printers using archival quality stock. You can't get this at home. 

  • ConnaticConnatic Posts: 282
    kyoto kid said:

    ...I'm looking at services that do Giclee printing on large format printers using archival quality stock. You can't get this at home. 

    Giclee is a meaningless term applied to fine-art quality prints. If you own a good printer you can produce great prints yourself.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245

    ...but not in a format size I need.

  • ConnaticConnatic Posts: 282
    kyoto kid said:

    ...but not in a format size I need.

    It's still a good idea to know what the intended printer needs for the optimal results. Preparing the image to fit the specs of the printer is how you get the best print. The printer driver itself should be viewed as a component of the toolset, just like Studio or Photoshop.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,245

    ....yes, I will of course be consulting with whatever fine art printing service I decide to use to discuss printing and quality settings before submitting any work.  

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,515

    anyones ever printed a big landscape render? i mean, like 3' maybe?

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,078

    Yes. I've used a couple of Epson "Pro" 17" carriage printers with roll feed. Fairly routinely print 16x20 singles, an occasional 17x22 full bleed (not to often, it's an odd aspect ratio). 

    MAJourney said:

    anyones ever printed a big landscape render? i mean, like 3' maybe?

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,515

    i'm guessing i'd want to makes my render brighter or it'll print dark?

  • ConnaticConnatic Posts: 282

    If the printer has 1440dpi then the image resolution of 360ppi will allow each pixel to be made up of a 4x4 grid of dots. Epson SC-P800 specs suggest 360ppi as optimum resolution. When I go by this, the prints are amazing. If you simply neglect properly preparing the image, it might look good, or it might look like the output of a cheap printer.

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,515

    ooookaaay...I'm confused now. lol

     

    one source says you need 3600x5400px at 300dpi for a good 24x36 print

    another says 7200x10800

     

    and then there's this

    https://posterprintshop.com/file-preparation/

    i don't understand the 72dpi for 24x36, 150dpi for 12x16, 300dpi for 6x8

     

    CONFUZZIED

  • MalandarMalandar Posts: 776

    I had a render printed for me years ago, it was one of the best I had done, I don't remember much about it, but that it was 24x36 and I thought I needed the most insane sized render, not sure if I did or not, but I had it, I think I spent two days rendering that render out, I still have the thing somewhere, I also have a few more I printed out back when I was in college for art classes. I remember needing 300dpi, but I think I had way higher res than that. I was trying to make sure it could print as large as I wanted lol.

  • mr clammr clam Posts: 707

    @MAJourney- It really does come down to the hardware you will use. If you want to go with Poster Print Shop, just ask them how to best set things up. I'm sure they want your business and will make setup as easy on you as possible. They even have a "Questions?" popup thing. If you are going another route, the specs may change.

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,515

    what if i render at 7200x10800px 400dpi and then find out i only need 3600x5400px? would it result in a muddy print?

  • mr clammr clam Posts: 707
    edited April 2021

    Figure out how/where you are going to print it, then figure out your render needs. You're putting the cart before the horse.

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  • joseftjoseft Posts: 310

    Years ago i had a render printed through the print/framing service that DeviantArt provide.

    I cant remember what resolution or pixel density it was, or even if the service had any suggestions/requirements for it.

    I know the result was good though, literally looked exactly like the original render, and i still have it hanging on my wall.

    I do remember it being reasonably expensive though.

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,515

    mr clam said:

    @MAJourney- It really does come down to the hardware you will use. If you want to go with Poster Print Shop, just ask them how to best set things up. I'm sure they want your business and will make setup as easy on you as possible. They even have a "Questions?" popup thing.If you are going another route, the specs may change.1

    iwas vpaning to use a local print shop. i'll have to hit them up

  • mr clammr clam Posts: 707

    Yes, for sure ask the local guys what your best options are. They'll walk you through everything.

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,078

    @MAJourney "..... for a good 24x36 print"

    You're worried about resolution, but have you thought about the printer you'll need? You will want a 24" wide carraige at a minimum. That's pro level and won't be cheap. You can go to a print shop, but IME that's very hit and miss.

    Also too many people people still spout 300 dpi nonsense without considering the final product. A 24x36 print isn't meant to be viewed at close range. Ever looked at a Monet painting up close?

    From experience, you can print a large print at much lower resolution with a premium printer and no observer will have issues with the print quality.

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,515

    fastbike1 said:

    @MAJourney "..... for a good 24x36 print"

    You're worried about resolution, but have you thought about the printer you'll need? You will want a 24" wide carraige at a minimum. That's pro level and won't be cheap. You can go to a print shop, but IME that's very hit and miss.

    Also too many people people still spout 300 dpi nonsense without considering the final product. A 24x36 print isn't meant to be viewed at close range. Ever looked at a Monet painting up close?

    From experience, you can print a large print at much lower resolution with a premium printer and no observer will have issues with the print quality.

    i don't doubt that. but in my experience, people who don't have a trained artistic eye like us DAZ folks won't have issues with anything. i may not have perfect eyesight, but I've noticed things 20/20 pelople didn't.

     

    there is some reassurance in knowing they won't have issues, but...well, i don' think i should discuss my buts here lol

  • VIArtsVIArts Posts: 1,515

    Well, checked a few local print shops...moxt don't seem to know much about this stuff. Whatever, i'll just find online, like maybe DA...

     

    but i suddenly realized i have another thing to consider: would sunset images like this look better on glossy, lusure, or matte?

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/6683861/#Comment_6683861

     

     

  • AHArtAHArt Posts: 202

    MAJourney said:

    ooookaaay...I'm confused now. lol

     

    one source says you need 3600x5400px at 300dpi for a good 24x36 print

    another says 7200x10800

     

    and then there's this

    https://posterprintshop.com/file-preparation/

    i don't understand the 72dpi for 24x36, 150dpi for 12x16, 300dpi for 6x8

     

    CONFUZZIED

    300 DPI is best for paper prints (photo paper etc...) 150 DPI is usually used for canvas prints and 72 DPI is best for web images (as in just to look at on a screen). The rougher the surface you are printing on, the less DPI you can get away with since the texture from canvas etc does a good job of "hiding" things. I also suggest you use a consumer pro lab for prints (a good one is mpix). To upscale prints I use Gigapixel by Topaz Labs

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