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  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165

    wow I love it , The Furies in real life

  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232

    Interesting. But IMHO nothing really beats the stage show — when the London show went on tour several years ago and came to our local theatre, the whole family went. A great night out, and of course they used all the original makeup/costume styles.

    One thing you can't do in a movie version... at "The Naming Of Cats" (one of the early songs) the cast walked out into the audience leading up to the almost-whispered final line. I think they were hunting out little kids, and there was one right behind us, at the end of the row, so I got an arm's length look at the makeup. It was better than what's in this clip.

    (I also saw the little kid's face as the big pussycat sang to her. She was delighted.)

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,602

    there is a parody dig on my YouTube channel but I cannot share it here as an F bomb

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,191
    outrider42 said:

    Hyper real animals don't emote like more toonish animals.

    To be fair, real humans don't emote like their animated counterparts in the Disney remakes.

  • EllessarrEllessarr Posts: 1,395

    i really feel like in the "sonic case" it was again another case of really, really bad and creep CGI with peoples "trying to go "realistic" but failing terrible, basically i feel like they get the actors faces and stamped in the 3d model in the most "creep way possible" even the model themselfs don't really looks good as they looks more like "normal peoples just being "furry".

     

    that was really a very bad CGI case.

     

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066

    What I want to know is why aren’t real cats being hired, instead of humans dressed up to portray cats... what do humans know about cat life?

    It’s not all milk bars and dancing in alleys... It’s about sleeping in the sunny spot the dog likes or napping on your desk so they can see your passwords and credit card numbers... Real cats are complex and have their own hopes and dreams... mostly about hoping you’ll feed them tuna or dreaming about subjugating humanity, but dancing and singing is not their thing.

    Trust me, a cat complained to me once back when the play was still on Broadway... I doubt the sentiment has changed much. 

  • CbirdCbird Posts: 493

    The pressing question is whether the cg version of Meatloaf's musical will be full of dancing comfort foods.

  • SpitSpit Posts: 2,342
    edited July 2019
    AllenArt said:

    The singing in the beginning was terrible - sounded shrill and off-tune to my ears. As for the arthro stuff....not really my thing (tho I have enjoyed a musical from time to time in my life, but usually an old one).

    Laurie

    You have a good ear. That was on purpose. Ever hear a bunch of cats in an alley caterwauling? They do not harmonize,

     

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    SpottedKitty said:

    Interesting. But IMHO nothing really beats the stage show — when the London show went on tour several years ago and came to our local theatre, the whole family went. A great night out, and of course they used all the original makeup/costume styles.

    One thing you can't do in a movie version... at "The Naming Of Cats" (one of the early songs) the cast walked out into the audience leading up to the almost-whispered final line. I think they were hunting out little kids, and there was one right behind us, at the end of the row, so I got an arm's length look at the makeup. It was better than what's in this clip.

    (I also saw the little kid's face as the big pussycat sang to her. She was delighted.)

    Sure they can replicate it... do it in Virtual Reality!

  • SnowSultanSnowSultan Posts: 3,646
    edited July 2019

    edit: eh I'll delete what I wrote, no one is directly saying the CG is bad here. I thought I read a comment earlier where someone did but it either is gone or I imagined it. 

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  • EllessarrEllessarr Posts: 1,395
    SnowSultan said:

    edit: eh I'll delete what I wrote, no one is directly saying the CG is bad here. I thought I read a comment earlier where someone did but it either is gone or I imagined it. 

    well i've actually told which it was really bad, because it was really bad in the way they did going to the famous "unncannying valley, the cats "are too much humans" to be seeying as cats specially that "full human face which look's like they put a sort of "teletubies baby sun here without counting which the way they where walking in four legs, was exactly how a human would be and not a "cat", it was really weird.

  • ChadCryptoChadCrypto Posts: 596

    If a nightmare could have a nightmare, it would be this trailer. LOL   

    Honestly, the faces need fixing, It looks  like there just stuck on. This is why praticle makeup will always be the legit way.

     

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,602
    SnowSultan said:

    edit: eh I'll delete what I wrote, no one is directly saying the CG is bad here. I thought I read a comment earlier where someone did but it either is gone or I imagined it. 

    well JaguarElla makes her views pretty clear in my video, too clear that's why I cannot embed it here, she is a furry with a cat's face

  • SempieSempie Posts: 658
    edited July 2019

    Amblimation (Fievel goes West; Balto) once planned to do a handdrawn animation feature of Cats, before the studio disbanded. It would have been Disney-style.

    I believe a more Zootopia-related design would have been the better choice.

    Or go full realistic as in the Lion King remake, even if I hate that sort of photoreal CGI - it destroys all the magic for me.

     

    This just looks creepy.

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  • EllessarrEllessarr Posts: 1,395
    outrider42 said:

    I would vote NO to Lion King style visuals. Sure, the trailer looks great, but that is a trailer, it is designed to. The problem becomes instantly apparent when the characters sing and dance. Hyper real animals don't emote like more toonish animals.

    I hope this link works. It is a twitter link, but that is the only place I could find this clip comparing this song between the two.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1149108647676522497

    Disney seems to be obsessed with realism so much that it costs them their artistic vision (you know, we Daz users might take note of that). This is not Planet Earth: Simba (though that might be cool itself if done right). There is no David Attenborough here.The Lion King is a piece of art, with musical numbers and drama throughout. It is not a place for this sort of hyper real animation.

    And neither is Cats.

    Cats goes in the other direction. Maybe a bit a bit too far, it is kind of weird that they have human noses, LOL, but then again, so do the actors in the play. The faces are actually in line with the Broadway musical which only uses makeup and makes no attempt to hide human features. The play doesn't hide human hands, either. The movie could have been a bit more fantastical in its costume design, since the play tends to be rather flamboyant in that area.

    That's always been part of the weird charm of the play. There is nothing else like it.

    The movie is weird looking, but I kind of like it, LOL. It certainly stands out. It is obviously not being hyper real, and it is certainly not doing Pixar. Like the play, there is nothing else like it. That may be good or bad depending on your view.

    actually they do use makeup in they face in they noise to make it's looks more like a 'feline one paint it black, they tried to make the face look "more like cats" unlike the cgi which goes full humam.

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,068
    edited July 2019
    ChadCrypto said:

    If a nightmare could have a nightmare, it would be this trailer. LOL   

    Honestly, the faces need fixing, It looks  like there just stuck on. This is why praticle makeup will always be the legit way.

     

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    Most certainly, some of those images are what nightmares are made of, what with how some of the scenes the actors face looks like it was done as an after thought looking like they were glued.. A few of the comments about that trailer there is a lot of uncanny valley in those images.. And one last thing they could of at least gave the characters cat style noses..

    And true actual physical makeup can fill in where the CGI can't as we all know CGI can only do so much..

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    You guys must have some weird nightmares, LOL.
  • GafftheHorseGafftheHorse Posts: 567

    I saw the Stage Show at Drury Lane in the mid to late 80's  - second cast (thankfully, Bonnie Langfords voice grates in my ears) I was well into my early teens with that not easily impressed attitude - but I was impressed.

    I think the movie cat design is interesting - using similar to the stage show costumes would be silly - they really were hardly better than something that might have been put together by a primary school - stageschool leotards, legwarmers and tail tied about the waist.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,602

    I did it 7 years ago BTW

  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855

    Meh. I like it. They may look like a bunch of delusional Gangrel but on the other hand, they DO look like a bunch of delusional Gangrel.

    McGyver said:

    What I want to know is why aren’t real cats being hired, instead of humans dressed up to portray cats... what do humans know about cat life?

    Never work with children or animals.

  • kimhkimh Posts: 389

    I loved the Musical. I like being entertained and if something leaves me feeling something other than downright fear (whether it a Superhero movie, fantasy, historical drama, etc), then I am entertained and happy. We will see it for sure

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,191

    If anyone wants to take a crack at remaking this with more lifelike cats, it looks like you’ll have a new tool at your disposal soon. 

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  • kimhkimh Posts: 389
    Gordig said:

    If anyone wants to take a crack at remaking this with more lifelike cats, it looks like you’ll have a new tool at your disposal soon. 

    Yep just created a post...lol..now I know I wasn't seeing things. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,602
    edited July 2019

    well that was a letdown

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,066
    Ascania said:

    Meh. I like it. They may look like a bunch of delusional Gangrel but on the other hand, they DO look like a bunch of delusional Gangrel.

    McGyver said:

    What I want to know is why aren’t real cats being hired, instead of humans dressed up to portray cats... what do humans know about cat life?

    Never work with children or animals.

    I’ve worked with children that acted like animals... actually animals bite less, so it’s probably not the same.

  • Ryuu@AMcCFRyuu@AMcCF Posts: 703
    Gordig said:
    outrider42 said:

    Hyper real animals don't emote like more toonish animals.

    To be fair, real humans don't emote like their animated counterparts in the Disney remakes.

    Nor do real humans emote like their live-action counterparts in Disney remakes, also....

     

    ... although, I DID see a lot of similarities between the hyenas in the Lion King remake and some recent Antifa demonstrators acting out in Portland, OR.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,320

    I'd much rather have CGI real cats on their hind legs than the traditional Cats People style representation. You now, sort of a Sylvester the Cat or Tom instead of the people in cat makeup look, which has always freaked me out.

  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,936
    edited September 2019

    Me, I'd do away with the musical and spend time watching real cats do silly things.

    Like my avatar, Albert, did when he was alive. Like the time he sat with his tail towards the fish pond, and draped it over the surface. Then when he stood up, his tail flicked water over him, and he sprinted away from the evil person throwing water at him. Or the time a Koi sucked the end of his tail, and he transported, StarTrek style, into the house and stayed there for days. Or the time, our 16lb thug of a cat ran away from a blackbird. Or when he was viciously attacked by a Gerbil weighing an ounce or two, and he fled.. Now that's entertainment.

    Regards,

    Richard.

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  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 2,985

    Looks like a nice movie (from the trailer....) but I just can't understand Disney's obsession with all this singing in their movies... devil

    Okay, joke aside: I'm not the target group for ANY musical. Often there's a song or two I like - the Les Miserable movie had a few of those, while The Greatest Showman only has "This is me" - but Cats never worked for me...

    Oh, and one thing to think about: Imagine Disney doing a remake of "The Rocky Horror Picture Show"... I bet it would get even worse than "The Rocky Horror Picture Show: Let’s Do the Time Warp Again" devil

  • RedfernRedfern Posts: 1,618
    nonesuch00 said:

    I'd much rather have CGI real cats on their hind legs than the traditional Cats People style representation. You now, sort of a Sylvester the Cat or Tom instead of the people in cat makeup look, which has always freaked me out.

    @nonesuch00  Heh, heh...  Well, in that case...

    Be prepared to freak out! surprise

    Sincerely,

    Bill

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