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How many Genesis users purchased this product?
http://www.daz3d.com/liquid-halo-on-sky-16-for-genesis
Now, go look for the original version. It is a DAZ buyout that was later refit for Genesis. It was created for Victoria 3 many, many years ago.
No, not at all. As DAZ_Jared already pointed out, though, things in the shop are already labeled.
Now, I won't say that things in that area couldn't be improved. But this site has still so many other issues that not even I think it should be a priority right now.
Mmmm Cinnamon Toast Crunch....
When it comes to the marketplace things are clearly labeled at least for me to understand, and I do not feel that much interferes with my shopping here. Well except for all of the great sales that seem to have me all over the shop lately. ;)
Also things aren't "ancient" until they are at least quite a few centuries old, the correct term would be vintage and even that is pushing it just a little.
Good because last week the Fast Grab was the same 3 items for 3 days in a row and it claims to be 'updated daily'. You should be happy that some of us actually do check it daily.. looking for a good bargain.
As to the older version, no. It isn't always obvious, especially with some of the older items. I've bought items out of the store that were so old they didn't even have a installer that would work with the current version of DAZ. I felt really ripped off when I've bought items that didn't work and my ultimate point is that it needs to be more clearly labeled and I'd like to see things like file sizes and picture pixels.
I've also asked that you guys use bigger demonstration pictures that are labeled whether they are rendered in DAZ or Poser.
Here is the thing, instead of arguing with the customers, see how you can make them happy instead.
As for your disparaging remarks for using the search filter, the filter only makes it so you can search for one group at a time. Make a filter that removes all pre-Victoria 4 items and then we can talk. Until then, your just demonstrating bad customer service.
Merry Christmas
I totally agree with you. Personally, I want to ensure that I have done my best to not buy anymore turkeys that 'looked' good in the promotional render, only to find out it looked aweful. That's why I want to see DAZ start clearly labeling the file sizes and pixel resolution along with larger render sizes on the promotional pictures like what they do over at Renderocity.com.
I personally find several of these guys pushing a lot of excuses to keep poor quality standards but in the end, somebody at DAZ must be reasonable and realize I'm only asking to improve the experience for all of us but especially people that are new to DAZ so they don't make the same mistakes I do.
I like the older figures and content too.
I would be one of those shouting very loudly if Daz tries to "archive" things again.
But I like tinkering with things - I am not the just load and render type.
Labelling would be ok - but you just have to sort the store by date and you have no problems.
You know, I just don't get people like you. Victoria 4 came out in December of 2006. So I'm only talking about creating a search option that would remove things that have been in the store for more than 7 years. Now if you haven't bought all the things that could possibly be useful in 7 years, why should the rest of us keep getting search results that include dinosaur material that you didn't think to purchase in probably a decade?
I mean, its not like the PA's and company don't give excellent help around here... let's give credit where credit is due. Several times now, I've come to this forum and asked for new items and within a matter of weeks, people made them, including things like Ms. Kringle's outfit and even a free Santa hat... (thanks guys). So, if you needed something, it's not like you can't get new updated versions with current fits and HD textures so the products look real... a lot has changed in technology since 2006.
Don't whinge if you didn't think to buy that golden oldie by now... get with the times and ask for something new to be made... then you will be able to 'tinker' with something better.
You know, I just don't get people like you. Victoria 4 came out in December of 2006. So I'm only talking about creating a search option that would remove things that have been in the store for more than 7 years. Now if you haven't bought all the things that could possibly be useful in 7 years, why should the rest of us keep getting search results that include dinosaur material that you didn't think to purchase in probably a decade?
I mean, its not like the PA's and company don't give excellent help around here... let's give credit where credit is due. Several times now, I've come to this forum and asked for new items and within a matter of weeks, people made them, including things like Ms. Kringle's outfit and even a free Santa hat... (thanks guys). So, if you needed something, it's not like you can't get new updated versions with current fits and HD textures so the products look real... a lot has changed in technology since 2006.
Don't whinge if you didn't think to buy that golden oldie by now... get with the times and ask for something new to be made... then you will be able to 'tinker' with something better.
And I don't get people like you who think because they want something a particular way the rest of us want it that way.
Not everyone can afford everything the minute it comes out, not everyone has up to the date tech, hence why some people are still using DS 3.
Please realise that Victoria 4 is still a very very popular figure, she possible still outdoes Genesis, I want V4 products included in searches I don't want to have to filter again just to make sure they are included.
Please drop the "people like you" stuff - different people will have different wants and needs, that isn't something they should be criticised for.
These are renders of outfits that predate V4, which are very usable on Genesis and no one has made since M3. And people have asked for new versions and it hasn't happened. I purchased these outfits right after the Gen 3 clones for genesis became available.
So it's great that Genesis does allow you to convert from older generations so you have more of a choice for your characters and renders. And this is really what this is about and why the store has what it has. So there's no reason to exclude these outfits since they converted so well to Genesis... better than how Gen4 outfits converted to Genesis.
Ohh I just adore the hat in the first one.
I like the hat too. I may have to find that outfit and reconvert it to use with G2M. Gen 3 had the widest variety of clothing of all the generations, especially for the males.. Gen 4 rolled along and it stopped... so it's great that I can pull in those clothing for use in Genesis.
First: I simply don't have the money to buy everything.
Second: sometimes the need for something special comes much later
Third (and probably more helpful for you): Why don't you sort by date?
I get what all of you have said. BTW, Nice art. :) Still comes up and I've been really irked by some of those old turkeys I bought.
It really is a culmination of what everybody has said and I leave it in all of your capable hands to continue on doing what we do.
Thanks for your patience. Merry Christmas.
P.S. It's Christmas here in Australia :p
A bit of information for the OP. DAZ installers have nothing what so ever to do with the version of DS you are using. DAZ was using installers before DAZ Studio even existed. Before Poser 5 even existed for that matter.
Yes, there are some older products that still use (or used) the old Wise installer tthat does not work Mac's using certain OS's. If you purchased products that you couldn't install, you could have returned them within the 30 days for a refund without a problem.
It is also the reason DAZ made the decision to go with zips rather than stick to the installers.
The store has plenty of filters. A user just has to take a bit of time to use them.
One can always (with old installers, I think, because I cannot install Gabi for V5 as it says I don't have Evolution Bundle, which I do have) unpack the installer, make a package and use it in future reinstallments of DS. That's a normal thing an IT guy would do in case of such desire. I wish DAZ had BOTH options. Sometimes using an installer is easier, sometimes you prefer zips.
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In my humble opinion, old does not mean worse. New does not mean better. Preteen is rather old, but I'd kill for most of her characters Thorne/Mada/Sarsa made. Genesis doesn't have such cute faces no matter how much I adore this figure. What I'm going to tell is just my personal opinion, but Preteen characters often look much more realistic and believable than Dawn, which is 2013 (so if the newest meant the best, you'd be on cloud nine with her). Kozaburo's hair freebies were designed for Victoria 1 (!) and still they look fabulous for me, especially if you change the textures a bit. You can fit them with not much trouble or just download free refits, they are widely available. Ratorama makes wonderful refits of hairstyles that were designed for Poser folk like Jessi and the refits look like a hairdo you can find in DAZ, Rendo or RDNA. After Genesis, A3 is my favourite figure, even though she's quite old.
Remember that new doesn't mean better (look at a certain outfit people were so disappointed with after it came out, while many of them collected special points to get it for free - and compare it to its normal price). If you insist on using the newest, it's your choice and really, trust me, I don't mind it at all. Just don't try to make DAZ get rid of all "vintage", "retro" or however you call it.
As of labels, they work good for a single figure chosen. I'd appreciate an option to choose SEVERAL filters. Let's say, Genesis has so many shapes available that fitting a hairstyle designed for V4 or M4 is a piece of cake (the programme usually does it for you). So I want to find hairs that fit easily - I choose filters: Genesis, Victoria 4, Michael 4 - I should get a large number of stuff that's (by default, we can always try to translate, scale and whatever):
- Genesis, V4, M4 compatible,
- Genesis only compatible,
- V4 compatible,
- M4 compatible.
I hope such feature is going to be implemented soon. But if you only need a certain figure, then you have no problems with choosing a proper filter, I think.
I like the hat too. I may have to find that outfit and reconvert it to use with G2M. Gen 3 had the widest variety of clothing of all the generations, especially for the males.. Gen 4 rolled along and it stopped... so it's great that I can pull in those clothing for use in Genesis.
BTW... thanks for your brilliant work and a lot of the other contributors around here. You know why because HD requires a lot more time and details and I can appreciate what you guys have to put up with. I LOVE your attitude. You know with the amount of details you guys have to put into things now, it can be time consuming and drive up the cost but attention to details is what all of us should be pushing for and as I hope you know, I'm a fan of what you guys are doing now.
Attention to details really is the key. Thanks. I hope that 2014 is a brilliant year for all of you. Let's continue looking forward together.
One can always (with old installers, I think, because I cannot install Gabi for V5 as it says I don't have Evolution Bundle, which I do have) unpack the installer, make a package and use it in future reinstallments of DS. That's a normal thing an IT guy would do in case of such desire. I wish DAZ had BOTH options. Sometimes using an installer is easier, sometimes you prefer zips.
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In my humble opinion, old does not mean worse. New does not mean better. Preteen is rather old, but I'd kill for most of her characters Thorne/Mada/Sarsa made. Genesis doesn't have such cute faces no matter how much I adore this figure. What I'm going to tell is just my personal opinion, but Preteen characters often look much more realistic and believable than Dawn, which is 2013 (so if the newest meant the best, you'd be on cloud nine with her). Kozaburo's hair freebies were designed for Victoria 1 (!) and still they look fabulous for me, especially if you change the textures a bit. You can fit them with not much trouble or just download free refits, they are widely available. Ratorama makes wonderful refits of hairstyles that were designed for Poser folk like Jessi and the refits look like a hairdo you can find in DAZ, Rendo or RDNA. After Genesis, A3 is my favourite figure, even though she's quite old.
Remember that new doesn't mean better (look at a certain outfit people were so disappointed with after it came out, while many of them collected special points to get it for free - and compare it to its normal price). If you insist on using the newest, it's your choice and really, trust me, I don't mind it at all. Just don't try to make DAZ get rid of all "vintage", "retro" or however you call it.
As of labels, they work good for a single figure chosen. I'd appreciate an option to choose SEVERAL filters. Let's say, Genesis has so many shapes available that fitting a hairstyle designed for V4 or M4 is a piece of cake (the programme usually does it for you). So I want to find hairs that fit easily - I choose filters: Genesis, Victoria 4, Michael 4 - I should get a large number of stuff that's (by default, we can always try to translate, scale and whatever):
- Genesis, V4, M4 compatible,
- Genesis only compatible,
- V4 compatible,
- M4 compatible.
I hope such feature is going to be implemented soon. But if you only need a certain figure, then you have no problems with choosing a proper filter, I think.
I agree with pretty much everything you've stated and I really agree with the multiple filters option because that would be perfect!
Except new is better :P Nobody clamors for the original Ipod any more :p The old Apple Macintosh was a great computer that had a lot of uses... but nobody still uses it. :P
It may serve a purpose but it lacks the bells and whistles.
Merry Christmas and thanks.
Attention to details is the key. And I think that's the thing you seem to miss with every thread you create. Sorry to bring this up again, but you're heading down this path again where "new is better". You have to master "the basics".
HD is not going to create realism. You have to master the basics.. lighting, composition, materials. These are things you have to do, not PAs. No product is going to give you that out the box. Multiple people have told you that and I don't think you understand that yet. Until you get the basics under your belt, none of the other extra tech is going to help your renders one bit.
Attention to details is the key. And I think that's the thing you seem to miss with every thread you create. Sorry to bring this up again, but you're heading down this path again where "new is better". You have to master "the basics".
HD is not going to create realism. You have to master the basics.. lighting, composition, materials. These are things you have to do, not PAs. No product is going to give you that out the box. Multiple people have told you that and I don't think you understand that yet. Until you get the basics under your belt, none of the other extra tech is going to help your renders one bit.
Merry Christmas to you too.
Man, talk about getting personal. You do realize that everybody I know says that my art work is brilliant. I've done nothing but compliment your work so the idea that you as a PA would now try and say that is just wrong. I'm happy to say that EVERYBODY can always continue to learn more tricks but your comments are over the top.
Merry Christmas to you too.
Man, talk about getting personal. You do realize that everybody I know says that my art work is brilliant. I've done nothing but compliment your work so the idea that you as a PA would now try and say that is just wrong. I'm happy to say that EVERYBODY can always continue to learn more tricks but your comments are over the top.
Pay attention. This is why your threads get locked. It is up to you to master the basics, not create threads for people to do things for you. I'm going to repeat my post again. It's not personal, it's something you need to do.
You have to master the basics.. lighting, composition, materials. These are things you have to do, not PAs. No product is going to give you that out the box. Multiple people have told you that and I don't think you understand that yet. Until you get the basics under your belt, none of the other extra tech is going to help your renders one bit.
Your reaction shows exactly why your threads don't last that long. Thinking you're being attacked when you aren't. You need to show a willingness to learn, not dictate what others should do. Your artwork simply isn't at that point to do so.
I clearly know the 'basics' and its a personal insult for you to be so condescending towards me. The fact that your a PA doesn't grant you the right to insult paying customers or abuse them in threads till the management steps in because your bully tactics and harassment.
In the spirit of the season, and in compliance with the year-round TOS, please remember that criticism should be addressed to the subject at hand, rather than to an individual.
Thankyou
Nadolig Llawen
As far as the installer issue comment on above, Gabi for V5 never used the aged Wise installer that Mac OS no longer supports. IIRC, it is Bitrock which is supported by both Mac and Windows. Again, it has nothing to do with the version of DS or when the content to be installed was created. The likely issue with the installer was that either the Evolution morphs were not installed properly, the directory wasn't mapped properly and the installer couldn't "see" the required product, or it was necessary to manually point the installer to the proper installation path.
Gabi for V5 is hardly an old product. It was released in October of 2011.
So true I have seen people make magic out of something that looks so tame coming out of the box. Obviously to some the basics are thrown out the window in favor of easier options and sadly that has taken the personal talent out of a lot of artwork.
Look at most of the talent here and you will see pictures made with older figures and their items look just as good, if not better then the stuff that has been shown with Genesis and vice versa. It really is not the figure that does the work, it's the person who can make the figure look absolutely great.
New is not always better, and by degrading the older stuff as junk as you have so done, you have demeaned the people who swear by those so called "ancient" items, many of them some of the greatest artists I have ever seen.
Daz is not going to bow to your whims, if they do they take the chance of pushing many of their long time customers away and that is just not good business.
You see, many of us have been here for years, supported this company for all that time and brought news to the world about how great Daz could be and how wonderful it's figures are. All of them, because we all have a different arsenal of figures that we use in our artwork.
We have been through the coming of more then one figure and we have been able to see how those figures work. Thus we have branched out and found what works for us.
So forgive us if we aren't as forgiving when people come in and say that what we work with is not worth a thing and should be removed for your convenience.
Really?
This render took roughly a half-hour on a dual-core Pentium IV, from blank screen to completed render. Most of that was because of the raytraced shadows. I used the Zygote Centaur (predates Victoria 1), the Millennium Environment, Flat Top Hair, and a distant light.
Can you match that time with the current generation of figures, hair, and environments? If you can't, then they aren't "better" - at least, not for my purposes.
Really?
This render took roughly a half-hour on a dual-core Pentium IV, from blank screen to completed render. Most of that was because of the raytraced shadows. I used the Zygote Centaur (predates Victoria 1), the Millennium Environment, Flat Top Hair, and a distant light.
Can you match that time with the current generation of figures, hair, and environments? If you can't, then they aren't "better" - at least, not for my purposes.
In my humble opinion, yes BUT...
It does come down to personal taste. I can't even imagine trying to render anything on a computer as old as a Pentium 4, to me its a paperweight. I wouldn't want to make something that looked like it was generated on a Nintendo 64. Your picture is very dated but clearly you are very talented to make it look as good as you do but to me personally it is a total waste of energy.
Please don't take this wrong but to me, while I can appreciate the artistry that went into your picture and I think you demonstrate an amazing knowledge of the genre your trying to represent, it also illustrates exactly the type of things I consider worthy of the recycle bin and the very problem I'm speaking about.
Many of the professionals speaking to me have been using this technology for so long now that I believe their expectations are very different from industry professionals in the trade. (Read a article in the current issue of '3D Artist' called "Ultimate Human Realism" p. 51) It's almost like many people have been making these fake looking cartoons for so long now that you don't realize we are already fooling people via the media to blur the line between reality and CGI. It's already happening and its been happening for several years now.
The bottom line is that 3delight is an industry standard rendering option, so you have the potential to be making pictures that look like they belong in movies. Clearly you are a talented individual.
I realize that's not really possible for a lot of people due to budgets to make 'industry standard' pictures and I respect that. I'm not saying my work is better or that I'm smarter because I'm not and I know it.
My prayer is that you stumble into enough cash to get the latest and greatest computer with the latest chipset and enough left over to update your entire library. I wish you all the best but if DAZ does quietly retire all the outdated (let's suppose maybe pre-2005) garbage they have in there catalog, I really believe nobody will ever miss it.
I stand by "new is better" if you can afford it.
With respect, Merry Christmas and Happy New Years to you all.
P.S. I also believe that for DAZ3D's bottom line, they need to keep selling new items to a new and expanded market and not just all of the old timepeople howling about outdated technologies, afraid of change or can't afford to update anyways that aren't going to be generating a massive new market. If you really believe' about how great Daz could be' then naturally you want to see it leading the industry in technology and realism. HD is here folks. It's waiting for you.
Re: "newer is better"
Obviously the works of Rembrandt, Da Vinci and Frazetta are all crap because they used oil paints instead of acrylics or CG. Remakes of movies would always be more much more loved than the originals. And clearly anyone offered a 1965 Shelby Cobra would refuse it in favor of a 2013 version.
Oh wait, absolutely none of that is true, is it?
The analogy of an iPod is a false one, as Apple products are intentionally released at a level well below what is technically possible in favor of idiot-proof interfaces, and with the sell-up features of the next generations of products already planned. In fact, anyone who knows anything about audio will gladly tell you that, under optimum conditions, plain old analog vinyl records actually have superior audio fidelity to CDs, while CDs kick mp3's ass. And it's only been in the last few years that video has finally begun to match film in terms of resolution and color accuracy, while the best color film ever made still remains the venerable Kodachrome.
Don't confuse the medium with the message or the artist with his/her tools. Skill is skill and tech is tech, but I'd rather have an original Frazetta than a HD scan of it.
Cybersox13, you put what we have all expressed here perfectly. If the equation new is better was always correct, nobody would care for Stonehenge and other relics.
I can understand there are people who keep buying new stuff even though their current one is okay. Still, I prefer a bit older technologies, sometimes you don't want your fridge to sing "What a Wonderful World" and dance around. It's a matter of personal needs. Personally I don't want any tablets, iPods, but I don't care if people do. Yet, in regards of DS, Robkelk pointed out that you can use a lot of old stuff IF YOU KNOW how to breathe new life into it. I love shaders, because I can change the look of a dress of hairdo is a few clicks and they look so different.
Moreover, I think a few years ago, content creators were - not trying to offend anyone - a bit more imaginative. The stuff they sold was varied. If I can show you a work of PoserFan of DA, take a look at this render: http://poserfan.deviantart.com/art/Siren-of-the-Sea-35019726.
And now consider it was made with POSETTE. Do you see what we're talking about? If a renderer has some good ideas and knows where to look for advice, no matter what stuff you use, you'll still be ahead. But that's just my own point of view, I'm not forcing anybody to share it.
I have the same issue with Millennium environment. I think the plants (grass, weeds) take a long time to render because they use transparency maps.