Viking Village Females ?
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Well..now we have a very nice looking Viking-style village, thanks to Faveral. But..do we have any inhabitants ?
There are a couple of old M3 ( I think) Viking and saxon outfits, as well as a Norse villagers outfits..but all for males. Does anyone know it there is a set of FEMALE outfits around that are reasonably historically correct for the period ? I *thought* I vaguely recalled a set..but I can't locate it any more :( After all..we can't have a Viking village populated entirely by males..what will the neighbours think and say ?? :)
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What...they aren't like female dwarves?
As to that...it's time to go raiding in Gaul...or somewhere like that, those nice warm beaches tend to attract nice looking women...and well, if they are near the beach (within a few miles, any way) they are fair game, right?
Well... first you have all those fantasy heroine clothes; let the girls rampage a bit in the village if you like. Then there are lots of good mediaeval peasant clothes here at DAZ and at Rendo; they will do. Wilmap made some nice freebies for Genesis. But of course authentic costumes would be great.
There is the medieval female peasant outfit, but that scooped neckline looks as if it would leave you a bit chilly round the fjords. Possibly you could morph the morphing fantasy dress to make something that looked baggy rather than sexy.
Re-textured, the headscarf from Valea's Gypsy Hair might make a decent head-covering for your Viking maidens. Less prosperous members of your community might wear something like the Old Hag Robes. A hooded cloak is probably appropriate too, and you might get some mileage from Courageous for V4.
The problem is that even the more modest female clothing available at DAZ typically either has a plunging neckline or clings in a way that I don't think would be likely before the advent of modern tailoring.
There are some pictures of what people think women's clothing might have looked like at this page. The baggy overdress worn by the woman in blue, plus headscarf, looks a lot like what I've seen women wearing in Central Asia, which makes me think that it could well be a kind of 'proto-dress' that showed up in a lot of cultures at different locations and times.
The red dress with brown overdress about halfway down the page is a pretty cool outfit! I'd love to see something like this made as a proper set, with all the accessories. But in the meantime....
The MFD has some "loosen sides" morphs that would help, though you want the waist to tuck in again where the belt ties it. I think http://www.daz3d.com/defiant-for-genesis would probably be the best starting point for Vikings, both male and female, as the basic garment is mostly the same other than length. Defiant includes a tied belt at the waist, as well as a tabard that could be used for the overdress, with a little transmapping, and brooches can be parented into place.
For those wanting to try dynamic options, I think these would be good for starting points:
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-gown-for-v4
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-robe-for-m4
http://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-robe-for-k4
This would be pretty plausible for guys:
http://www.daz3d.com/dynamic-male-peasant-clothing
Tabard here, might work for overdress:
http://www.daz3d.com/dynamic-tabard-with-coif
Or the dress included here might work for the overdress:
http://www.daz3d.com/ultimate-pattern-design-kit
That set also includes various scarves and such that would work for head coverings.
First time I've ever seen a thread bemoaning a lack of female oriented content.
Not really... if you look, it's bemoaning a lack of female content that isn't low-cut... that's right in keeping with another fine posting tradition. ;)
There are probably people complaining about the impossible historical outfits for the gals. Actually I think they are fantasy not historical. The shirts that would not work with well endowed women unless they have super glue or something like that.
Hmm.. made it in real life, can't see why I couldn't in 3D. I'm not sure if I can pull off a long skirt and keep poser compatibility but I can try. It won't be right away though, I have 4 other sets already on my to-do list.
Dang.. I've lost a lot of weight since that picture was taken. Ignore the completely anachronistic belt, and the lack of jewelry, those metal disks are expensive in real life.
Yeah - I'm afraid I should have made myself a little bit clearer. What I was looking for was some HISTORICALLY CORRECT female viking out fits. I've no end of fantasy, Hollywood -style skimp ware. What I'm looking for is something like the following pic
Well, I won't share direct links, but RDNA has a lot of Viking content. Mostly ragged clothes for rugged men, though...
I think I saw a Viking or Celtic woman robes for V3. Maybe here?
EDIT:
Nope, I found the set on Rendo. Jon sells it. It uses MFD and Hooded Cloak, V3 versions, but I guess those textures would work on V4 and Genesis versions as well. They're really good, check them!
There must be some suitable textures on ShareCG (maybe less Viking and more medieval). Courageous is a stunning set plus it has both pants and tunics that can be turned into dresses. It's a great bang for a buck. I realised its Genesis version is Defiant for Genesis. If you use them and retexture them, they might be even better than MFD. I'd recommend Sickleyield's stuff on Rendo too. EvilInnocence has a peasant dress on her own site...
For headwear, if you use Gen2F, EmmaAndJordi's Scarf Braid Hair (http://www.daz3d.com/scarf-braid-hair), but retexturing the scarf would be needed. Valea has some good braided hairstyles. Just remember that among Vikings and Celts, a woman wearing something covering her knees and revealing the lower parts of her legs... well, she would be considered of ill repute at best. Think about it as the policy won't allow more detailed explanations :P. Searching for some articles about the discovery of a well-preserved corpse in GB should help.
Does Fredrik's Freja for A3 ring a bell ;)?
Please! Do give the full vendors name!
As links nowadays get deleted, please do give full names / product names ...
Links only get deleted if they are unsolicited. If they are given in answer to a query then they are allowed. And I think in this case it could be allowed as so many are interested in clothing viking villagers.
As soon as I saw the Viking Village I started making these! is this the sort of thing you were wanting?
They are not textured yet just coloured so you can get an idea of the style.
Looking good, Wendy...
Wow! I've been waiting for something like that...looks great so far, Wendy!
Sweet, I'll let Wendy handle this one then, she's better at long dresses. =)
Rather than creating new clothing, how about using the MFD or POTS as a base to work on with new textures? Most of us probably have these already. Here's a quick one with MFD and some of Chohole's early textures that don't look too out of place.
You're right, they don't look terribly out of place, but they look like anglo-saxons that were taken prisoner. Viking woman didn't dress that way.
The question about texturing the MDF, etc.. yes, that would work... just not the specific ones you pictured here as they are the wrong ethnicity.
Do you have a source to show what dress is appropriate? When I do a search, all I get is contemporary costumes, which do show a lot of variety, but whose authenticity is questionable. On the other hand, do we need authentic dress, or what people suppose is authentic based on Hollywood movie versions?
The link posted on the previous page is very good, and not questionable, there have been many grave find supporting that design.
You know, some of the best research on Medieval/Viking Era/Celtic costumes is found on various SCA (Society for Creative Anachronisms) related websites. Not just modern interpretations, but often links to the scholarly research behind it.
Are you referring to the link that takes you to the page that begins : "As with many aspects of Viking-age material culture, our knowledge of Viking-era clothing is fragmentary. The Viking people left few images and little in the way of written descriptions of their garments. Archaeological evidence is very limited and spotty. Thus, different scholars examining the evidence come to different conclusions. What is presented in this article represents only a range of possible interpretations." or some other one?
That's EXACTLY the style I was seeking, Wendy..great work :) Hopefully V4 ?? Eagerly waiting to see how it progresses :)
Genesis only. Sorry not V4., as I can't rig them properly for her.
That varies from one person to the next. I'm very interested in the dress Wendy is working on-- I think it's probably reasonably accurate, and I like the look anyway.
I'm all in favor of using the MFD where appropriate, and I think it can make a perfectly good underdress for almost any era, with the right morphs and transmaps. It's the accessories that make or break a render if you're going for realism. ;)
On the other hand, someone more interested in rendering a generic scene based on Hollywood type versions might be very happy with some of the other textures and sets out there, and there's nothing wrong with that, either. :)
Are you referring to the link that takes you to the page that begins : "As with many aspects of Viking-age material culture, our knowledge of Viking-era clothing is fragmentary. The Viking people left few images and little in the way of written descriptions of their garments. Archaeological evidence is very limited and spotty. Thus, different scholars examining the evidence come to different conclusions. What is presented in this article represents only a range of possible interpretations." or some other one?
Yes, and I did a ton of research before I made my outfit pictured on the previous page. Way more than is on that one page. No, I'm not going to dig it up to defend myself, someone who works less than 85 hours a week can do that if they're feeling froggy.
I've made this tunic and pants for the males. Is this the sort of thing you would want as well?
Our angel Wilmap is back in the business featuring some of the best historical clothing I have ever seen for DS. They are not dynamic and still look so great... You are one in a million :-D.
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As links nowadays get deleted, please do give full names / product names ...
The vendor's name IS Jon :P. I do not know the man personally, I swear! The link is here: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/nordic-women-v3/19613 - let's hope it is in compliance with rules written and followed.
The vendor's name IS Jon :P. I do not know the man personally, I swear! The link is here: http://www.renderosity.com/mod/bcs/nordic-women-v3/19613 - let's hope it is in compliance with rules written and followed.
Now that is a crying shame,seems the product is no longer available, it would be ideal, and as has been said even though it was done for the V3 MFD, it will also fit the MFDs for all the DAZ 3D females with the one exception of Steph petite. I wonder if he can be persuaded to put it up somewhere else for sale again.
Jon's Rendo free stuff seems to be credited to John Malis. Someone by that name sells here at DAZ, and is the one who made some of the older Viking stuff in the store. http://www.daz3d.com/john-malis-1
Oh, and Wendy, that looks great! :)