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Iray vs FREE Octane Plug-In for Daz3D (Review & Tutorial)

MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379
edited April 2020 in Daz Studio Discussion

IRAY VERSES OCTANE FOR DAZ3D

 Some serious food for your guys thoughts on Daz3D. One of the issues I always struggled with Daz is that renders took so long, even with my powerful system. This made animating in Daz near impossible when I look at the fact that a single image on my system could take 10 mins to render fully, and then times than by 200+ frames I was pretty discouraged.

Well......than I joined the Octane club. with the FREE Octane plug-in for Daz3d.

I just did a fast little review and tutorial which you can see here: https://mooncraftrp.com/index.php/2020/04/26/octane-versus-iray-for-daz3d-review/

Disclaimer: I am not paid by anyone, or being encouraged by anyone to make this review and tutorial. I'm just a Daz user always on the hunt to find great new tools that are free.]

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  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,696

    You don't get constant freezing when trying to look at the materials section of the plugin? One of the main reasons I deleted the plugin. Materials don't look right out of the box, and I couldn't tweak them because the material tab was often a "ghost" image of whatever tab I was looking at before, or just a black box where the list should be.

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379
    TheKD said:

    You don't get constant freezing when trying to look at the materials section of the plugin? One of the main reasons I deleted the plugin. Materials don't look right out of the box, and I couldn't tweak them because the material tab was often a "ghost" image of whatever tab I was looking at before, or just a black box where the list should be.

    I do not have that issue at all. You may need to uninstall it and try a different version.

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 1,385

    after signing up, signing for the octane forum that I will not visit, after give all my personal data and names of my childs and my dog race and telling them my blood type and annual income....this?

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379
    Zilvergrafix said:

    after signing up, signing for the octane forum that I will not visit, after give all my personal data and names of my childs and my dog race and telling them my blood type and annual income....this?

    Go to the link I provided in my tutorial, and download it from the forums. I downloaded, installed, and worked with my plug-in last night.

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 1,385
    Kimonolady said:

    Go to the link I provided in my tutorial, and download it from the forums. I downloaded, installed, and worked with my plug-in last night.

    Thanks, that worked!

    other question, why I need to move some geometry that is perfectly posed in daz viewport but is wrong in Octane?, due to this I have to force to move wrongly in daz viewport for view this perfectly in Octane??

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379

    Tutorial on how to fix that here: https://mooncraftrp.com/index.php/2020/04/25/tutorial-fixing-models-posed-wrong-in-octane-daz3d-plug-in/ :)

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 1,385
    Kimonolady said:

    Tutorial on how to fix that here: https://mooncraftrp.com/index.php/2020/04/25/tutorial-fixing-models-posed-wrong-in-octane-daz3d-plug-in/ :)

    fixed!, thanks! laugh

    I'm playing with Octane, looks like a Maxwell Render and Vray fusion, seems that caustics are piece of cake...

  • olds450olds450 Posts: 3

    I tried installing but it keeps saying my subscription has expired. I'm assuming it's because I never entered a credit card number. 

     

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,249

    so I can get the demo

    The demo version has the following limitations:

    • Render resolution output is locked to 1000×600 pixels
    • Project and render output cannot be saved
    • Online LiveDB material database functionality is not included
    • Render output contains water marks (Octane logo and stripes)
    • No network rendering

     

    or for the price of a 1 year subscription I can get a 2080 founders edition.

    This would be my hmmm. moment.

  • TheKDTheKD Posts: 2,696
    edited April 2020

    .I think you are talking about the standalone there eh? You don't need the standalone to use the plugin for studio though.
    Right now, the plugin is all you need and it's free. I fear once we have helped them beta test and iron out all the bugs they are gonna kill the beta and make us start paying rent for it. One of the biggest hesitations I have diving into it, aside from the UI freezes I keep getting of course.

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  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379
    olds450 said:

    I tried installing but it keeps saying my subscription has expired. I'm assuming it's because I never entered a credit card number. 

     

    Just like the other person in the thread, read my blog and go to where your told to download it.

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379
    StratDragon said:

    so I can get the demo

    The demo version has the following limitations:

    • Render resolution output is locked to 1000×600 pixels
    • Project and render output cannot be saved
    • Online LiveDB material database functionality is not included
    • Render output contains water marks (Octane logo and stripes)
    • No network rendering

     

    or for the price of a 1 year subscription I can get a 2080 founders edition.

    This would be my hmmm. moment.

    Then you downloaded the wrong version. Read my blog post and go to where your suppose to go. I easily output large images, without any watermark for FREE.

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,249

    Honestly I tried to get this to work, clearly I'm doing something wrong because it tells me I need a subscription and I thought I filled all that out. I will read your blog again carefully to figure out what that is. thank you for looking into this option, I will have to try again.

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379
    StratDragon said:

    Honestly I tried to get this to work, clearly I'm doing something wrong because it tells me I need a subscription and I thought I filled all that out. I will read your blog again carefully to figure out what that is. thank you for looking into this option, I will have to try again.

    I got it for free, my blog shows where to get it for free, others got it for free.

  • olds450olds450 Posts: 3
    Kimonolady said:
    olds450 said:

    I tried installing but it keeps saying my subscription has expired. I'm assuming it's because I never entered a credit card number. 

     

    Just like the other person in the thread, read my blog and go to where your told to download it.

    I did follow your link but I must have done something else wrong. Like someone above said, I'll have to keep looking to see where I went wrong.

  • olds450olds450 Posts: 3
    edited April 2020

    I've downloaded all 3 free versions and all give me the "subscription has expired" notification.

     

    Edit....I think I just figured it out. You have to "TRY" the Octane Render standalone to get the "prime/free tier" subscription. I'll know for sure in a couple minutes.

     

    Edit again.....Yes! It worked!. Thanks so much for this. I'm giving you a cyber bear hug, right now. 

     

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  • nakamuram002nakamuram002 Posts: 792

    Be forewarned - OTAY has to run from an account with Administrator privileges.  It is not worth the security risk if you use the Internet while rendering.

  • Leonides02Leonides02 Posts: 1,379

    I used to use Octane but, frankly, nothing ever looked as good as it did natively with Iray. Which makes sense, considering the DAZ materials are made for Iray. The material conversion took forever (at least for me).

  • ParallaxCreatesParallaxCreates Posts: 465
    Zilvergrafix said:
    Kimonolady said:

    Tutorial on how to fix that here: https://mooncraftrp.com/index.php/2020/04/25/tutorial-fixing-models-posed-wrong-in-octane-daz3d-plug-in/ :)

    fixed!, thanks! laugh

    I'm playing with Octane, looks like a Maxwell Render and Vray fusion, seems that caustics are piece of cake...

    Your character has a cute little twinkle to her nose :)

  • ZilvergrafixZilvergrafix Posts: 1,385
    ParallaxCreates said:

    Your character has a cute little twinkle to her nose :)

    full version here. blush

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  • Willy2Willy2 Posts: 177

    When we making an animated movie, we don't need to have high resolution images. (This doesn't make any sense to me, because the eye doesn't have time to appreciate the quality of the images that scroll quickly on the screen)

    In Daz Studio, for Iray, you can set the maximum duration for rendering (menu: Render > Progressive Rendering > Max Time)

    Personally, for an image, I choose Max Time = 180 seconds for the rendering. Then, if I like my work, I set a higher limit.

    I tried Octane and I find that its renderings flatten the color palette width. Octane is very fast but it overwrite colors.

    Ultimately, I prefer to use Iray. But before each rendering, I use my brain to know if the high definition of the rendering has a real use for my work.

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379

     

    Willy2 said:

    When we making an animated movie, we don't need to have high resolution images. (This doesn't make any sense to me, because the eye doesn't have time to appreciate the quality of the images that scroll quickly on the screen)

    In Daz Studio, for Iray, you can set the maximum duration for rendering (menu: Render > Progressive Rendering > Max Time)

    Personally, for an image, I choose Max Time = 180 seconds for the rendering. Then, if I like my work, I set a higher limit.

    I tried Octane and I find that its renderings flatten the color palette width. Octane is very fast but it overwrite colors.

    Ultimately, I prefer to use Iray. But before each rendering, I use my brain to know if the high definition of the rendering has a real use for my work.

    I am going to disagree with you. If you are rendering a smaller video format, sure. However, when you are rendering a larger size video in terms of height and width you want better details. I know about the max duration for rendering and avoid it. If anything, the way to make iray render times faster is the scene optimizer tool.
    Octane will look at Iray shaders and try and figure them out. However iray shaders work best in iray. Octane has a large free database of materials that you can work with to replace the more flat colors in Iray with.

  • Willy2Willy2 Posts: 177

    Hi Kimonalady,

    Watch any movie on your computer screen.
    Then make a screenshot and take the time to carefully examine the resulting image.
    In any case, you will find that the definition is poor, the contours are poorly drawn and the colors drool.
    If you are making an animated movie, don't try to obtain high quality renderings (anyway the constraints of the size of the output file will bring you back to reality)
    It reminds me of greedy people around a good table, full of food. They want to eat everything and swallow all the good cakes. But after a while anyway their stomachs vomit all the food without warning.
    In conclusion, to make a good animated movie, you have to be a good accountant and know how to set limits.

     

  • rrwardrrward Posts: 556
    Zilvergrafix said:
    ParallaxCreates said:

    Your character has a cute little twinkle to her nose :)

    full version here. blush

    I think you cropped that wrong. I can;t seem to see her face. ;)

     

  • MoonCraft3DMoonCraft3D Posts: 379
    Willy2 said:

    Hi Kimonalady,

    Watch any movie on your computer screen.
    Then make a screenshot and take the time to carefully examine the resulting image.
    In any case, you will find that the definition is poor, the contours are poorly drawn and the colors drool.
    If you are making an animated movie, don't try to obtain high quality renderings (anyway the constraints of the size of the output file will bring you back to reality)
    It reminds me of greedy people around a good table, full of food. They want to eat everything and swallow all the good cakes. But after a while anyway their stomachs vomit all the food without warning.
    In conclusion, to make a good animated movie, you have to be a good accountant and know how to set limits.

     

    I've been told and read otherwise - in the end it boils down to opinion. Octane renders far faster than Iray, which I prefer for animations. Animations in iray that were 15+ hours for me are now an hour and a half without having to reduce quality.

  • SergoyelesSergoyeles Posts: 11
    edited May 2020

    Hi all, I have a big problem with this plugin

     

    I recently got the Free tier of the Octane Plugin for Daz studio and when I install it, Daz studio crash instantly, I have the latest version of daz studio (4.12.1.117) and the plugin (2020.1.0.55) and updated all the drivers.

     

    I also tested installing an older version of Daz Studio like (4.12.0.86) and it still crashes, even the Demo version of the plugin crashes, and check all the "solutions to common issues" in this thread https://render.otoy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=73445, no matter what I do because I can't start Daz Studio with the octane plugin without getting a crash. I opened another thread in OTOY forums but I don't know if i did anything wrong so, every little help is welcome

     

     

    (Sorry my terrible english)

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  • mavantemavante Posts: 734
    Kimonolady said:

    Octane renders far faster than Iray, which I prefer for animations. Animations in iray that were 15+ hours for me are now an hour and a half without having to reduce quality.

    I think it's likely to be the future for quite some time to come.

  • mavantemavante Posts: 734
    Kimonolady said:

    Octane renders far faster than Iray, which I prefer for animations. Animations in iray that were 15+ hours for me are now an hour and a half without having to reduce quality.

    I think it's likely to be the future for quite some time to come.

  • davidtriunedavidtriune Posts: 452

    I appreciate this tutorial, thanks a lot.

  • MouserMouser Posts: 675
    edited September 2020

    My Octane install wants the "cudnn" library installed.

    Has anyone run into this?

    Copied file but got security warnings: is it safe?

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