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Gordig

I suspect that for many fans of Angel and others like her, the lack of realism is a feature, not a bug.

Torquinox

mcorr said:

I have recently realized in more detail how it‘s not the product per say that I find attractive, but often the smart intriguing way it‘s packaged that appeals to me. Subliminal advertising is a fact and an art. I thought I was immune to that, but apparently not 100%. Ever have buyer‘s remorse after finding out the product you bought wasn‘t as great as the packaging made it appear? The whole idea behind this advertising is very clever. That was the case with the marlboro man and virginia slims. Smokes stink, but looking wild and independent — or just giving off such airs — appeals to the superficial wannabe part in people. The buyer‘s remorse thing didn‘t set in until people coughed up blood and died of cancer. Better to take a closer look at what one is induced to think or feel before leaping. Caveat emptor: buyer beware!

There is truth to this. I agree and have had similar experiences.

The Blurst of Times

Even the best software and hardware looks jarring. I think of some recent digitized people in Star Wars... Princess Leia and Grand Moff Tarkin in "Rogue One". Fabulous figures, no doubt, but they looked like puppets. (One must applaud Werner Herzog for calling out the cowardice of the thought of replacing Baby Yoda with CGI.)

I love 3D models. I find some of them to be hot and sexy. I can see them replacing humans, especially in all-CGI work. When placed next to a real human? There's no comparison.

But, yeah, no shame. I think CGI can be really hot. Isn't that why many of us play with dolls like this?

wolf359

Sevrin said:

FSMCDesigns said:

wolf359 said:

FSMCDesigns said:

gregsgraphics_cafd0962a0 said:

I must be alone here in thinking that there's no way I could ever find a Daz character, or any CG character for that matter, "hot".  I get the point that it's trying to represent an attractive human being, but I can't look at a CG render or animation and find myself physically attracted to the characters in any sexual way. 

Perhaps in some very rare case, it could happen, but the render itself would have to be so incredibly photorealistic and believable that I actually can not tell that it is fake.  I don't believe there has ever been a CG character ever that I've actually thought was a real human being for more than just a few seconds.  Maybe one or two really high-end Zbrush or Maya characters, but even then I don't' think so...  There may have been a few over the years that looked like a photo at first, but most of those were just portraits anyway. 

Maybe I'm strange, but once I realize it's CG, my brain instantly shuts down any "emotional" connection to the image and the technical side takes over.   I am either impressed by the skill or just wondering how I could do something similar.  Especially if the render is NPR, there's no way it could ever become attractive in a sexual manner.  Not saying I don't think the renders are great or technically stunning, but I could never really be attracted to the character in a physical sense if they don't look absolutely convincingly human.  In some cases where it's obvious the character is intended to be very sexualized, it can be somewhat creepy.  Kind of like when you see people who are addicted to plastic surgery attempting to make themselves into living "Barbie" dolls, I get that kind of feeling from certain characters.  I'm sure it's just me.

Are you male or female? I ask since you say you don't get an 'emotional" connection and with many men, it's more about the visuals then the emotional when it comes to getting excited in that way.

 

The Male mind's capacity to construct& maintain a sexual fantasy Based on a Visual ,existed long before CG and even way before "realistic" CG was possible.( remember the original tomb Raider game??)

There is CG character Called "Angelica" that has a huge following on youtube.

A man named "Rouge" developed a prorietary software that enables him to live puppet the Character (body and face), in realtime, for live youtube broadcasts.

"Angelica" is about as "realistic" as the original 1998 Poser4 Female "Possette" and fairly obviously voiced by a man pitched up with software.

No HD morphs,SSS or JCJ's etc.

Despite this, there are many men, ( likely hetero), who pay monthly Patreon fees for nude sessions with "her".

I love AI Angel, subscribed to that YT channel awhile ago. Funny, every time I watch I wonder why the artist didn't make her more realistic looking. There is so much more that could be done to the model to make it even more believable which I would think would boost the following and get more users to support the patreon page

I disgree.  I think she's fine.  Once you get too close to a realistic appearance, you end up deeper in Uncanny Valley, and the little imperfections become more noticeable and more disconcerting.  And of course, more realism would entail higher quality meshes and textures, which would lead to the need for more powerful hardware.  It's important to remember that, while we can do a lot with consumer hardware, it's a long way from the kind of results Hollywood studios can achieve at scale.

Exactly!!

The creator of "AI Angel" knows who his target audience is and it is NOT the types Daz Studio technicrats who will watch the latest UE5/PS5 demo and only notice that the Girl Characters joints were not as nice as a Daz genesis G8 female.

"AI Angelica" represents a 20 something,highly feminized, "party Girl" with a slight "Goth" vibe, usually wearing a colorful tank top, very tight shorts, sneakers and knee high socks.

Apparently that represents a fantasy for ALOT of males who care nothing about ridiculous 4K textures or HD morphs.

gregsgraphics_cafd0962a0

Torquinox said:

The Male mind's capacity to construct& maintain a sexual fantasy Based on a Visual ,existed long before CG and even way before "realistic" CG was possible.( remember the original tomb Raider game??)

There is CG character Called "Angelica" that has a huge following on youtube.

A man named "Rouge" developed a prorietary software that enables him to live puppet the Character (body and face), in realtime, for live youtube broadcasts.

"Angelica" is about as "realistic" as the original 1998 Poser4 Female "Possette" and fairly obviously voiced by a man pitched up with software.

No HD morphs,SSS or JCJ's etc.

Despite this, there are many men, ( likely hetero), who pay monthly Patreon fees for nude sessions with "her".

Are you talking about the channel "AI Angel"?  If so, there's more to it than just a CG character that guys find sexy or whatever.  It's supposed to be AI, first of all.  So that alone brings a lot of curious eyes to the channel.  Then there's actual pranks, gaming, and game playthroughs, and all sorts of silly content on the channel.  It's supposed to be all done by an AI avatar, which is really the big curiosity of it all.  Of course, it's a comedy channel so that brings even more attention.

gregsgraphics_cafd0962a0

FSMCDesigns said:

wolf359 said:

I love AI Angel, subscribed to that YT channel awhile ago. Funny, every time I watch I wonder why the artist didn't make her more realistic looking. There is so much more that could be done to the model to make it even more believable which I would think would boost the following and get more users to support the patreon page

I can almost guarantee if they made her realistic looking, the channel would have failed miserably.  It would be far too creepy, as I suggested early on in my post here.  Part of the success of that channel is that she's only slightly realistic, but more toon like.  So she pulls in the fans of Disney, Anime, as well as the gamers.  That's the biggest market out there.  If the character looked too realistic, it would only attract the curious for a short time, then it would just get way too creepy because people like me would actually start to see the flaws in the design.  It could never be perfect, and those flaws would eventually sabotage the success of the channel.

FSMCDesigns

gregsgraphics_cafd0962a0 said:

FSMCDesigns said:

wolf359 said:

I love AI Angel, subscribed to that YT channel awhile ago. Funny, every time I watch I wonder why the artist didn't make her more realistic looking. There is so much more that could be done to the model to make it even more believable which I would think would boost the following and get more users to support the patreon page

I can almost guarantee if they made her realistic looking, the channel would have failed miserably.  It would be far too creepy, as I suggested early on in my post here.  Part of the success of that channel is that she's only slightly realistic, but more toon like.  So she pulls in the fans of Disney, Anime, as well as the gamers.  That's the biggest market out there.  If the character looked too realistic, it would only attract the curious for a short time, then it would just get way too creepy because people like me would actually start to see the flaws in the design.  It could never be perfect, and those flaws would eventually sabotage the success of the channel.

To each their own, but to me not creepy at all and I would love to see the AI Angel senario with a more realistic looking model. To me that shows a higher degree of skill and creativity and in seeing the reactions from other users Angelica interacts with, it would be even more of a reaction from them if she was more realistic looking IMO. It will happen one day with someone else, so no worries.

Torquinox

gregsgraphics_cafd0962a0 said:

Torquinox said:

The Male mind's capacity to construct& maintain a sexual fantasy Based on a Visual ,existed long before CG and even way before "realistic" CG was possible.( remember the original tomb Raider game??)

There is CG character Called "Angelica" that has a huge following on youtube.

A man named "Rouge" developed a prorietary software that enables him to live puppet the Character (body and face), in realtime, for live youtube broadcasts.

"Angelica" is about as "realistic" as the original 1998 Poser4 Female "Possette" and fairly obviously voiced by a man pitched up with software.

No HD morphs,SSS or JCJ's etc.

Despite this, there are many men, ( likely hetero), who pay monthly Patreon fees for nude sessions with "her".

Are you talking about the channel "AI Angel"?  If so, there's more to it than just a CG character that guys find sexy or whatever.  It's supposed to be AI, first of all.  So that alone brings a lot of curious eyes to the channel.  Then there's actual pranks, gaming, and game playthroughs, and all sorts of silly content on the channel.  It's supposed to be all done by an AI avatar, which is really the big curiosity of it all.  Of course, it's a comedy channel so that brings even more attention.

That's a @wolf359 quote.

ChadCrypto

I doubt AI Angel is a real AI. It really appears to be someone in a motion capture suit. if it is AI, then it is the most advanced AI on the planet. Just watch those videos where she is interacting with real humans. very funny. There is a twitch streamer named Youneh. She shows her programing her  character in UE4 making her own motion capture  called CodeMiko. not quite as put together as Ai Angel. Though it really interesting to see the creativty in the current time.

 

tj_1ca9500b

Rhiannon, over at Renderosity, has a gift for beauty.  Just sayin.  Plus, she does characters AND clothing/clothing accessories, mostly gal oriented. 

There are a few PAs here as well that are exceptional in creating virtual character beauty as well of course.  I'm not calling out any favorites though, as there are a number of PA's who have characters that I like the 'look' of for different reasons.

The outfits do help of course, as does the hair.  Really, I think the hair is just as important as the face/body structure, and the wardrobe.  For 3d virtual guys as well as gals of course!

As a boring male, I'll leave the 'which Daz male model is sexiest' discussion for others to comment on.

Of course, it will all depend on the type of art you do regularly.  If you like to focus more on scenes than characters, then you probably aren't as focused on having a good variety of male and female characters to populate your art.  If your art is more 'character' oriented, and depending on your target demographic, well looks can be very important for such artwork.  But yeah, some art is built around beautiful characters, even sexualized to a degree.  Frank Frazetta anyone?

For me, I do enjoy discovering the 'hotness' factor of particularly good looking models.  The promo art that grabs my attention for a character may be lacking in some regard, and often it's not until I start working with a character in Daz and playing with the various camera angles that I may notice just how exceptional a model may be...

I find Aiko 6 to be particularly pleasant, for example.  She's stylized of course, but has a particular beauty in her face that I like, especially with hairstyles that augment her face structure.  To each their own, of course!

SolsticeFringe

The newest rendition of the charecter improved the visual fidelity a great deal. It has some anitomical anomalies and the SSS is a bit over-done, but they also have done allot of detail work and now ray-tracing enabled. I think given their track-record of refinement it'll just be a matter of time before they perform their charecter live at the level of detail and realism that matches- or perhaps even surpasses what we are able to do in DAZ... In real-time as well...... 

3dcheapskate

daveso said:

Or is she? Yeah, she's really attractive and sexy, but they all are. 
It's the CLOTHES. The right clothes make the attraction, the sexuality, stand out. 
And the HAIR. The right hair. And the additives ... jewelry, etc etc. 

What ya think?

I think facial expression and pose.

Why ? Think of the 'hottest' real person you know. Now imagine a photo of them a split second after they've stepped on a dog turd. Hotness right out of the window !

Zilvergrafix

Why entered here?...oh yeah text bait!

superlativecg

The results speak for themselvs.

BandoriFan

Some styles just flatter certain bodytypes while certain colors flatter certain skintones and the right makeup too 

I have to confess that sometimes when I render I do it hoping people go "Oh my gosh she's so gorgeous!" while fanning their faces hopping up and down.  Silhouttes, fabric, and lighting are very important 

 

 

WendyLuvsCatz

Every DAZ_weeb has to has his/her/their virtual Waifu/Husbando