I might need surgery on my right knee.

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,067

    caravelle, I'd like to try acupuncture sometime... I need to see if my health insurance pays for it. I love Jello! I should buy some.

    Wow, what a coincidence... you would totally work perfect as part of the focus group for a new product I was experimenting with called "Acupuncture Gelatin"... 

    I was recently thinking about combining things that don't normally go together, which for whatever reasons there might be, people never bothered to try combining. These new combinations might yield very positive results... like atomic radiation and spider bites once did.

    There are lots of things one can randomly combine... inner tubes and badgers, spatulas and cinderblocks or lava and pedicures... 
    The question is what makes a good combination... 

    One could ponder these things for hours or even minutes and not come up with a satisfactory idea... but I decided to devote almost fifteen minutes thinking about this until I came up with a perfect combination and said "aah, close enough"... realistically it was more like eight minutes because I was watching a video of a goat riding a skateboard and was like "well there goes that combo"... but I didn't want to overthink this like I did with Bee Pants™.

    Then it hit me... it was a pinecone that fell out of the tree I was sitting under... it hurt a bit and it was sticky too...

    Then I got an idea!... pointy... sticky... So went inside and made a sandwich and forgot about that for a while until I suddenly blurted out "Acupuncture Jello!"...

    Well, at least that's what it sounded like... it could have been Alpaca Jailbait or Acapulco Jackrabbits... I really wasn't paying attention to me, but Acupuncture seemed like something people like... and everyone loves jello... well, until they find out it mostly made by boiling pork skins, pork and cattle bones or even split cattle hides until the natural molecular bonds between the individual collagen strands are broken down resulting in thick gelatinous masses... Then everyone is like "Oh... you got ice cream?"... 
    Individually, both of those are great... if you like paying people to stick you with long skinny needles or slurping down blobs of strawberry flavor melted cow hooves... either of those by themselves are a party... but together... what would make them better together? 


    Acupuncture has been known as a method of pain relief for centuries... but it can be time consuming to find a qualified acupuncturist, and time consuming to lay there getting stuck full of needles... and sometimes it's expensive... I'd personally do it for free, it sounds like fun... besides there are loads of people I'd love to stick sharp objects into, but apparently there are laws and rules and blah, blah, blah "needles can only be a small diameter" and anything the diameter of a signpost is "stabbing"... Megh.  Anyway... in a clinical setting it's complicated and time consuming... then I thought of the end run the vitamin industry does to get their products out... call it a "Dietary Supplement"... you can grind anything up into a powder or make a drink out of it if you slap "Dietary Supplement" on the label...

    So now that's one part... Now you got the jello part... Jello is just gelatin, which we all know has been around like forever too... But it was a rich man's dessert... at least back to the 15th century and even in Victorian times gelatin was a very ritzy dish, which only the wealthy got to enjoy... it was actually complicated to make and purify and was generally too much trouble to deal with, but by the late 1840s powdered versions of gelatin came about and by 1897, carpenter and cough medicine manufacturer (because those are two things that naturally go together) Pearle Bixby Wait invented Jell-O... possibly inspired by the sawdust and cough syrup residue stuck to the bottom of his shoes, but who knows... what made Jell-O catch on was probably it's snazzy flavors... Orange, Raspberry, Lemon and Strawberry. 10¢ bought you a king's dessert and by the 1950s Jello was available in such delicious flavors as mixed vegetable, Italian salad, maple syrup, seasoned tomato and Spam... yeah... spam... yum. 
    So I was like "wow" that's the perfect combo... of course when I called Jell-O they still had my number blocked... I guess they still were upset about my campaign for them to push my Halloween jello recipe that has real spiders in it... Whatever, it's their loss... All I have to do is call it Gelatin, who needs the Jell-O brand name...

    So I decided to mix some cactus needles and old porcupine quills I had laying around into some spam flavored jello powder I found behind the furnace and even though it was quite prickly, nobody seemed to mind... in fact they seemed more concerned they were eating seventy old jello... and then there was the bleeding... but it seems promising because just like with actual acupuncture, people forgot about their other pains while they were shouting at me and throwing stuff... in retrospect, I probably should have mentioned the porcupine quills... but that's the purpose of focus groups, isn't it?

    Well, I'm just throwing that out there in case you are interested in trying something new and cutting edge.

    Anyway, I have to go put out a small fire that apparently still burning in my shop... talk to you later.

    Feel better!

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,260

    ...nothing beats Twinkies™ in Lime Jell-O™.

    Though this might be a hit for Halloween.

  • Roman_K2Roman_K2 Posts: 1,253

    I remember that packaging - we sold it in the 1950's in my family's store. I don't want to venture too far off-topic but in recent decades the "flavors" have changed dramatically! As recently as a dozen years ago "Lime" was still made with natural ingredients, the last of the bunch — not any more.

    I know you can probably get something more... appetizing in specialty stores... just sayin'.

  • Roman_K2Roman_K2 Posts: 1,253
    edited June 2020
    kyoto kid said:

    "Modelling" back then meant building scale aircraft (both display and radio control) and cars or messing around with clay.

    I still mess around with clay. smiley

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,627
    edited June 2020

    I don't mind jellied meat slices

    after all the jelly is just the connective tissues usually under the set fat in pan juices

    not so fond of the idea of jellied tongue though as not keen on eating tongue jellied or not

    liver pate with jelly OK

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  • roni190roni190 Posts: 40

    Had the same issue with my right knee starting in my early 40's mostly due to regular wear and tear from my work/lifestyle (was a MP and then a Sheriff) ended up ignoring the problem until I took early retirement at 52 and by then the damage was beyond repair. Ended up having the knee replaced 3 years later.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,627

    mine was a few dislocations due to weak connective tissue (I used to be incredibly flexible when I was young)

    never was diagnosed with anything but am certainly very arthritic now at 58

    also heavy work in a bakery for 39 years

    one dislocation I thumped my patella back in place with several strikes of my hand screaming blue murder the whole time because nobody was around to help me.

    previously I had a trip to a hospital and xrays before basically the doctors did the same thing so figured this was quicker anyway

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,682

    Don't you just hate it when your patella goes walkabout?sad  I have a cousin who even when she was young was forever chasing her patella and herding it back into place.  Didn't look like fun.indecision

  • edited June 2020

    I'll add my voice to the camp (if there is one) that says, if you CAN get your knees done, then by all means do.

    My mother had bad knees thoughout her life, and always refused to have anything done (except for the occasional cortizone shot).  This really came into play in a bad way toward the end of her life.  She was overweight, and with the bad knees meant that she was wheelchair bound for the last 4 of her 5 years (basically 70-74).  The last year she was bedridden and in hopsice.  

    I hate to think that some of her "complications" at the end could have been aleviated all together had she had her knees done when she was relatively healthy in her 60s.  The body can be a "use it or loose it" machine... and you can't walk without your knees.

    Every situation is different, I know, but I just thought I'd chime in. 

    Best of luck (from somebody who the doctors say is "too young" to get a knee replacement that is needed... oh the irony!)

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  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,805

    caravelle, you're talking about just plain ole ordinary Jello?! I like it, especially with whipped cream on top.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited June 2020

    caravelle, you're talking about just plain ole ordinary Jello?! I like it, especially with whipped cream on top.

    If Jello is the same as jelly over here,  I have been know to eat the cubes like sweets without bothering to add boiling water and/or fruit or fruit juisce.

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  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,627
    edited June 2020

    I use gelatine powder (soaked in cold water then heated with fruits, juice and set) and nobody wants to eat that straight!

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  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,805

    Chohole, I've seen jelly in jars... as in having a peanut butter & jelly sandwich. I don't recall seeing a package similar to what you show. WendyLuvsCatz, yeah that''s the jello I was thinking about. 

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    Chohole, I've seen jelly in jars... as in having a peanut butter & jelly sandwich. I don't recall seeing a package similar to what you show. WendyLuvsCatz, yeah that''s the jello I was thinking about. 

    no that's Jam  the stuff in jars.   

    Hartleys is the good old fashioned British jelly

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,805
    edited June 2020

    Chohole, we have both Jam and Jelly, in jars. Maybe you're talking about what we call Jelly Beans, here in the US?

     

     

     

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,192

    Chohole, we have both Jam and Jelly, in jars. Maybe you're talking about what we call Jelly Beans, here in the US?

    She’s talking about what we call gelatin. 

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,682
    edited June 2020

    In the US, "jelly" is sweetened fruit juice without seeds solidified (gelled) with pectin.  Whereas, "jam" is sweetened mashed fruits including seeds solidified (gelled) with pectin.  Both come in jars and are spreadable on bread.  And the sandwich is called a PB&J (Peanut Butter & Jelly) regardless of whether one uses "jelly" or "jam".  Neither "jelly" nor "jam" will significantly melt in moderate heat.  Unlike "Jell-O" which is a fruit flavored gelatin desert that needs to be cooled to "set" and kept relatively cool if you don't want it oozing onto your table.

     

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  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,805

    OK, thanks for the clarification. I think the word "Jello" became a default name for any gelatin packages... Yeah, we know it really is a brand of gelatin. Hey, friends, I really enjoy everyone's input here. We even get a refresher into the different food names in the UK and the US.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited June 2020

    OK, thanks for the clarification. I think the word "Jello" became a default name for any gelatin packages... Yeah, we know it really is a brand of gelatin. Hey, friends, I really enjoy everyone's input here. We even get a refresher into the different food names in the UK and the US.

    Jelly  as I showed in a block, when unwrapped looks like this  

    you tear or cut it up into the separate cubes and then dissolve it with boiling water. that block is enough to make an imperial pint of jelly.  I tend to use about a third or a half a pint of boiling water to dissolve it and then add cold water or matching fruit juice to make it up to the pint. often adding fruit as well,  fresh or frozen.  Frozen fruit is quite good as it cools the boilg pwater down quicker. I am rarely without several varieities of frozen fruits, and ditto with Hartleys jelly blocks.  I have to admit they are getting harder to get hold of, unless you don't mind stuff that is full of chemicals masquerading as artificial sweeteners. I only use real sugar,  cane sugar, just limit my input.

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 5,951

    It is worth stating that in the UK 'Jelly' is derived from animal gelatin, like the trade name Jell-O in the US.

    In the UK, what we call 'Jam' is called 'Jelly' in the US and is a fruit/sugar & natural/artificial pectin used in cakes or sweet sandwiches.

    In the UK we also have a strained Jam, where all the fruit bits have been strained out to form a transparent jam, and this is unhelpfully called a jelly, but is not the stuff chohole has been talking about. The stuff taken from the strainer when making jam derived jelly is called a 'fruit butter', and if dried it becomes a 'fruit leather'. I've made all these jam derived products, and love them all, but blackberry jam is my favourite, especially if just too little sugar is present and small amounts of fermentation can take place. Mmmm.

    Like chohole, when I was a brat, I loved chewing lumps of jelly (UK jelly) straight off the block, particularly blackcurrant.

    The Jelly/Jam incompatibility across the Atlantic is one of the common language pitfalls that can easily sent conversations in odd directions.

  • ZateticZatetic Posts: 286

    Sorry about your meniscus. At least you didn't take an arrow to the knee.wink

    They will give you instructions after your surgery. If you decide to start using a cane then the hand on the opposite side of your injured leg holds the cane. When walking, the cane moves in coordination with the foot of the injured limb. This helps you to walk with a more natural gait and will give you better stability. The handrail is probably a better choice when using stairs than a cane but it is handy when the handrail is missing. The phrase for remembering which foot leads on the stairs is "Up with the good; down with the bad".  You can also do what I have to do which is to turn sidewise to face the railing when you are going down the stairs for even greater stability.

  • catapanocatapano Posts: 3

    Good luck I hope everything works out well. Just take care with the painkillers they will give you after the surgery.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 38,627
    edited June 2020

    Chohole, I've seen jelly in jars... as in having a peanut butter & jelly sandwich. I don't recall seeing a package similar to what you show. WendyLuvsCatz, yeah that''s the jello I was thinking about. 

    we have pre flavoured gelatine powder in sachets for making jelly as Chohole also refers to it, you can also by gelatine sheets to dissolve but I have not seen cubes like that.

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  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,805

    Chohole & WendyLuvsCatz, We might also have the blocks of "jelly," or gelating. But I never look for that kind of stuff. I'll likely get the generic brand of Jello when I go grocery shopping again.

    Zatatec, wouldn't you know I've been using the cane on the wrong side for a decade! I need to go outside, or into the hallway to practice the right way to walk! I've used the cane on the left side a couple times, but get really disorientated! Thanks again, everyone, for your support, encouragement, humor and "food education." Feel free to keep it all coming.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited June 2020

    Chohole & WendyLuvsCatz, We might also have the blocks of "jelly," or gelating. But I never look for that kind of stuff. I'll likely get the generic brand of Jello when I go grocery shopping again.

    Zatatec, wouldn't you know I've been using the cane on the wrong side for a decade! I need to go outside, or into the hallway to practice the right way to walk! I've used the cane on the left side a couple times, but get really disorientated! Thanks again, everyone, for your support, encouragement, humor and "food education." Feel free to keep it all coming.

    I have to admit  I don't understand why you should use the cane on the good side.  My problem with my right knee  (aggravated arthritus)  means that on occasion my knee will actually let me down.  If I didn't have the cane in my right hand I would stumble.   My GP called it aggravated arthritus as the original problem came from a sporting injury many many years back.  My younger brother had both hips replaced before he was 60, again due to damage caused in his active sporting years,  his sport was long distance cycling (time trials) He did his first 100 mile cycle run when he was about 16.

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 11,682
    edited June 2020

    I agree on the concept of using the cane for support of a trick knee.  Although, I also agree on the concept of using the cane on the good side for a more natural gait.  I've done both.  Sometimes I need to prepare myself for the unexpected pain explosion in my knee that causes it to collapse spontaneously and causes me to yelp in a most noticeable manner.  Also to try to avoid the dread stabbing pain by not putting too much weight on the knee in the first place.  Other times I've realized that by carrying my cane on the bad side I end up swaggering or jostling so much that I exhaust my whole body, legs, hips, back, and arms.  I switch cane sides based on how I feel that day.  Just call me Grampa McCoy because without my cane I often walk like him.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drFY6ZsAGGg  at 14:45

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  • retiretomauiretiretomaui Posts: 389

    Take care of yourself! I tore the patellar tendon completedly off my left knee back in 2014. It took a long time to come back with rehab and all, but it happened. Please insist on rehab/physical therapy appointments if you can get them - you really have to be your own advocate. Also, and your doctor has probably mentioned this, but water is the best. If you can get any kind of access to a pool or sauna or jacuzzi, that will speed your recovery quite a bit. If you need any tips on joint care from one whose broken both legs and has so much metal in his legs that the TSA is on a first name basis with me every time I walk through airport security metal detectors, please don't hesitate to PM me.

     

    Bob

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,805

    Chohole, that's what happens to me. My right knee sometimes just collapses on me. I tried using the cane on the left side, and got all confused. Maybe it has to do with the way the Army trained us to march. Always lead with the left foot.. Maybe I'm just uncoordinated?! I'd love to ride a bike again, but couldn't manage time trials.

    LeatherGryphon, I'm old enough that I sometimes remember The Real McCoys! I had a girlfriend whose walk reminded me of Grandpa McCoy.

    Bob, thanks for your support. I haven't yet seen the Orthopedist. I'm a bit shy about water therapy. I don't have bathing trunks. I would need to wear a t-shirt because I'm embarassed by my saggy old man body. But I would definately do the therapy if the doctor recommended.

     

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,680

    Hi Ron, sorry about the knee, good to hear you are getting that taken care of.

    You might benefit from joining knee support online community to discuss the surgery like this one: https://bonesmart.org/forum/categories/knee-area.7/

    A lot of people find it helpful to discuss surgery and knee stuff with others in the same position. 

  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 1,805

    Serene Night, thanks for your support and the tip. Right now I'm extremely overwhelmed, and just trying to gather my wits for the next step. My way of coping right now is the read a 700 page book about the Romanov dynasty in Russia.

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