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  • Cliff BowmanCliff Bowman Posts: 1,677
    edited December 1969

    For anyone skipping earlier pages...

    Cliff Bowman said:
    One thought might be to evaluate the effect the changes will have and then act on that before signing up. For example, are a bunch of $1.99 items going to go up in price if you sign up? Should you buy them at $1.99 before signing up?

    Cheers,

    Cliff

  • Cliff BowmanCliff Bowman Posts: 1,677
    edited December 1969

    dkgoose said:
    Well if that's true, I'm gonna have to rush and get the Aiko 6 bundle if I decide to opt in, which I think will, I guess I could cheat and buy a couple pc items before I opt in as well

    Would the Aiko 6 bundle be cheaper after signing up for the beta? Can you use two coupons on it?

    (I don't know the answers. Maybe Jack can advise?)

    Cheers,

    Cliff

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited December 1969

    Jack Tomalin said:
    jakiblue said:
    Daikatana said:

    ....5) The extra 30% off on a rotating selection of PA's every week would be nice but only if you can get all or even most of the PA's to go along with it. If its just a few artists repeated over and over, eventually you would have little to no income being generated from this. In light of that, maybe take this option off the table if necessary to help with keeping a fixed price of $3.00 for platinum club items???

    These are just my thoughts on the matter.

    This is the bit that has me wondering. A "rotating selection of PA's"...but I am wondering how many are going to go along with that? Obviously, PA's do this for income so I'm curious how many of them are happy to have their products - ALL their store, not just new ones - discounted by 30%. As Daikatana says above, if it's the same artists being repeated over and over (which we actually often see in the Fast Grab),then I wonder how viable this will be to customers financially. There'll come a point where you'll have all the products you want or need from a particular vendor - particularly if it's a favourite vendor that you buy from often. And while there are currently some AWESOME artists there now (and probably a good marketing idea to include them as it gets us excited), it doesn't necessarily mean they will be the artists who will do this from now on. If my favourite artists whose work I love to buy and use aren't going to be included, and it ends up being just a "handful" doing it, then that particular offer is of no use to me whatsoever, and no incentive. I understand that we can't get right now a CONFIRMED list of artists who will be doing this, as this "beta" period is a test for everyone, customers AND pa's alike. But it's just such a tenuous "offer" that it has me backpedalling on this beta.

    That, and of course the loss of the 1.99 items. If the 1.99 items are no longer FINANCIALLY viable for DAZ, then I'll be brutally honest here - not my problem. DAZ isn't my friend, DAZ isn't my buddy - they are a business like every other business in the world. I have a business relationship with DAZ, not a friendship. And to be even MORE brutally honest, their finances ONLY concern me if it means I can no longer afford to buy their products. When i get to the end of my payday and see I have $6 left over after all bills and necessities are met, and that $6 is my "mad money" that I can do whatever I like with, I get excited and think "ooooo I can grab at least 3 pc items and feel all cool and excited cos i'll have at least 3 more toys to play with in my hobby and be all happy!". THAT'S what I finally realized what the PC membership meant to me. Knowing I can come here and grab a few items to play with, and feel satisfied cos I got full products for a tiny bit of money. If I lose that, and that $6 becomes one product, or not even enough for one product, then my spending here will pretty much stop. I keep coming back to the PC club FOR THOSE ITEMS.

    So I think I may sit the "beta" period out and see what happens at the end - if we are able to be given a confirmation on which PA's will join in, and see what happens with the PC prices. My membership is due in about 6 days - I'm only going to purchase a one month extension (now I've finally found otu HOW to do that) and see what happens.

    I haven't seen the final list, but the PA's who have opted in is pretty extensive.

    You're correct - it is our problem, and we're here trying to come up with ways around it :)

    Well, as always happens with me, I had another think about it, and then a friend pointed out something very interesting to me - when a new PC item is released, our discount on it will stack with the intro price? Making it MORE of a better deal to buy it then, instead of stashing it in our wishlists for "later on" cos "well, ti's ALWAYS 1.99 so i'll get it later" - which, lets face it, pretty much ALL of us do that. :D And I know that was something DAZ was trying to stop happening. We stash all the items for "later" and THAT'S why the 1.99 price is no longer financial viable.

    Hmmmm. Ok.

    Need to think about this some more.

    And dammit Jack, I don't know HOW you are keeping your cool and your sanity. LOL. Good thing it's you and not me doing this job - I would have lost it long ago and probably would have replied to MY post with a simple "Naff off, you git!!". LOL

  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,497
    edited December 1969

    jakiblue said:
    Jack Tomalin said:
    jakiblue said:
    Daikatana said:

    ....5) The extra 30% off on a rotating selection of PA's every week would be nice but only if you can get all or even most of the PA's to go along with it. If its just a few artists repeated over and over, eventually you would have little to no income being generated from this. In light of that, maybe take this option off the table if necessary to help with keeping a fixed price of $3.00 for platinum club items???

    These are just my thoughts on the matter.

    This is the bit that has me wondering. A "rotating selection of PA's"...but I am wondering how many are going to go along with that? Obviously, PA's do this for income so I'm curious how many of them are happy to have their products - ALL their store, not just new ones - discounted by 30%. As Daikatana says above, if it's the same artists being repeated over and over (which we actually often see in the Fast Grab),then I wonder how viable this will be to customers financially. There'll come a point where you'll have all the products you want or need from a particular vendor - particularly if it's a favourite vendor that you buy from often. And while there are currently some AWESOME artists there now (and probably a good marketing idea to include them as it gets us excited), it doesn't necessarily mean they will be the artists who will do this from now on. If my favourite artists whose work I love to buy and use aren't going to be included, and it ends up being just a "handful" doing it, then that particular offer is of no use to me whatsoever, and no incentive. I understand that we can't get right now a CONFIRMED list of artists who will be doing this, as this "beta" period is a test for everyone, customers AND pa's alike. But it's just such a tenuous "offer" that it has me backpedalling on this beta.

    That, and of course the loss of the 1.99 items. If the 1.99 items are no longer FINANCIALLY viable for DAZ, then I'll be brutally honest here - not my problem. DAZ isn't my friend, DAZ isn't my buddy - they are a business like every other business in the world. I have a business relationship with DAZ, not a friendship. And to be even MORE brutally honest, their finances ONLY concern me if it means I can no longer afford to buy their products. When i get to the end of my payday and see I have $6 left over after all bills and necessities are met, and that $6 is my "mad money" that I can do whatever I like with, I get excited and think "ooooo I can grab at least 3 pc items and feel all cool and excited cos i'll have at least 3 more toys to play with in my hobby and be all happy!". THAT'S what I finally realized what the PC membership meant to me. Knowing I can come here and grab a few items to play with, and feel satisfied cos I got full products for a tiny bit of money. If I lose that, and that $6 becomes one product, or not even enough for one product, then my spending here will pretty much stop. I keep coming back to the PC club FOR THOSE ITEMS.

    So I think I may sit the "beta" period out and see what happens at the end - if we are able to be given a confirmation on which PA's will join in, and see what happens with the PC prices. My membership is due in about 6 days - I'm only going to purchase a one month extension (now I've finally found otu HOW to do that) and see what happens.

    I haven't seen the final list, but the PA's who have opted in is pretty extensive.

    You're correct - it is our problem, and we're here trying to come up with ways around it :)

    Well, as always happens with me, I had another think about it, and then a friend pointed out something very interesting to me - when a new PC item is released, our discount on it will stack with the intro price? Making it MORE of a better deal to buy it then, instead of stashing it in our wishlists for "later on" cos "well, ti's ALWAYS 1.99 so i'll get it later" - which, lets face it, pretty much ALL of us do that. :D And I know that was something DAZ was trying to stop happening. We stash all the items for "later" and THAT'S why the 1.99 price is no longer financial viable.

    Hmmmm. Ok.

    Need to think about this some more.

    And dammit Jack, I don't know HOW you are keeping your cool and your sanity. LOL. Good thing it's you and not me doing this job - I would have lost it long ago and probably would have replied to MY post with a simple "Naff off, you git!!". LOL

    Correct, we'll be able to offer the usual 30% intro discount on top. And yes, the issue we have is that the price is always 1.99, so there is no incentive for people to purchase.. since it's always that price.

    There's no simple solution, there are lots of different sides to this, and the beta is the chance for us to test it all in the field and see what our members think.

    And thanks, I'm ageing rapidly in this job.. but it's only hair, eh ;)

  • Laurie SLaurie S Posts: 393
    edited June 2014

    Would the Aiko 6 bundle be cheaper after signing up for the beta? Can you use two coupons on it?

    You can only use one coupon/ cart. Would it be cheaper now? I can not remember if you always could use the coupon on new main store DAZ original releases, but you can now.

    Post edited by Laurie S on
  • TotteTotte Posts: 14,088
    edited December 1969

    Jack Tomalin said:
    Misty Whisky said:
    Jack Tomalin said:
    scorpio64dragon said:
    I would much rather you just increase the price so that I know where I stand financially the % means that you can increase what we pay just by slowly increasing base prices.

    The issue that we have with the current model is that a fixed price of a 1.99 doesn't really make sense. Why should an environment be the same price as a pose pack, when one costs more to produce than the other?

    Furthermore, not all environments are the same, same are a lot smaller.. some are a lot bigger. Should they be the same price? The % does allow the base prices to be adjusted to more accurately reflect each products size and contents - and as continue to offer all items at a deep discount.


    but then, couldn't those high end sets be DO and not pc items?

    so many pc items require other items,
    separate the hair and the hair colors, it's 1.99 x2. add a fit, another 1.99.
    look at the dream home, over 60 1.99 items, the home is over a 100 bucks.

    Again, yes.. we could have DO items.. but then we're talking $14-$16.. that's even more expensive than the 70% being offered currently.

    The Dream Home complete is over $100, but look at what you get for that (it took over two years to complete, too). What price would you expect to pay for it?

    I'll quite happily put all my items out as DO's, but I figured PC members like my stuff? ;)
    Yes we do!!!

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,479
    edited December 1969

    jakiblue said:
    Jack Tomalin said:
    jakiblue said:
    Daikatana said:

    ....5) The extra 30% off on a rotating selection of PA's every week would be nice but only if you can get all or even most of the PA's to go along with it. If its just a few artists repeated over and over, eventually you would have little to no income being generated from this. In light of that, maybe take this option off the table if necessary to help with keeping a fixed price of $3.00 for platinum club items???

    These are just my thoughts on the matter.

    This is the bit that has me wondering. A "rotating selection of PA's"...but I am wondering how many are going to go along with that? Obviously, PA's do this for income so I'm curious how many of them are happy to have their products - ALL their store, not just new ones - discounted by 30%. As Daikatana says above, if it's the same artists being repeated over and over (which we actually often see in the Fast Grab),then I wonder how viable this will be to customers financially. There'll come a point where you'll have all the products you want or need from a particular vendor - particularly if it's a favourite vendor that you buy from often. And while there are currently some AWESOME artists there now (and probably a good marketing idea to include them as it gets us excited), it doesn't necessarily mean they will be the artists who will do this from now on. If my favourite artists whose work I love to buy and use aren't going to be included, and it ends up being just a "handful" doing it, then that particular offer is of no use to me whatsoever, and no incentive. I understand that we can't get right now a CONFIRMED list of artists who will be doing this, as this "beta" period is a test for everyone, customers AND pa's alike. But it's just such a tenuous "offer" that it has me backpedalling on this beta.

    That, and of course the loss of the 1.99 items. If the 1.99 items are no longer FINANCIALLY viable for DAZ, then I'll be brutally honest here - not my problem. DAZ isn't my friend, DAZ isn't my buddy - they are a business like every other business in the world. I have a business relationship with DAZ, not a friendship. And to be even MORE brutally honest, their finances ONLY concern me if it means I can no longer afford to buy their products. When i get to the end of my payday and see I have $6 left over after all bills and necessities are met, and that $6 is my "mad money" that I can do whatever I like with, I get excited and think "ooooo I can grab at least 3 pc items and feel all cool and excited cos i'll have at least 3 more toys to play with in my hobby and be all happy!". THAT'S what I finally realized what the PC membership meant to me. Knowing I can come here and grab a few items to play with, and feel satisfied cos I got full products for a tiny bit of money. If I lose that, and that $6 becomes one product, or not even enough for one product, then my spending here will pretty much stop. I keep coming back to the PC club FOR THOSE ITEMS.

    So I think I may sit the "beta" period out and see what happens at the end - if we are able to be given a confirmation on which PA's will join in, and see what happens with the PC prices. My membership is due in about 6 days - I'm only going to purchase a one month extension (now I've finally found otu HOW to do that) and see what happens.

    I haven't seen the final list, but the PA's who have opted in is pretty extensive.

    You're correct - it is our problem, and we're here trying to come up with ways around it :)

    Well, as always happens with me, I had another think about it, and then a friend pointed out something very interesting to me - when a new PC item is released, our discount on it will stack with the intro price? Making it MORE of a better deal to buy it then, instead of stashing it in our wishlists for "later on" cos "well, ti's ALWAYS 1.99 so i'll get it later" - which, lets face it, pretty much ALL of us do that. :D And I know that was something DAZ was trying to stop happening. We stash all the items for "later" and THAT'S why the 1.99 price is no longer financial viable.

    Hmmmm. Ok.

    Need to think about this some more.

    And dammit Jack, I don't know HOW you are keeping your cool and your sanity. LOL. Good thing it's you and not me doing this job - I would have lost it long ago and probably would have replied to MY post with a simple "Naff off, you git!!". LOL

    If the price does stack I was under the impression it might not.

    And if he'd answered your post with "Naff off, you git!!" the replies to mine would probably have been quite colourful.

  • icprncssicprncss Posts: 3,694
    edited December 1969

    Now the big question: are the PA's who opt in required to participate for specific period of time and/or a specific number of times? Each PA must stick with the program for a full year or once a month?

    I'm guessing the answer would be: no. Participation is likely voluntary and PA's can withdraw at any time. In which case the start list may be extensive but it could quickly dwindle down to a handful.

    I'm full cognizant that PA's will take a loss if they participate. Many of them will only be able to sustain so much loss before they have get out of a losing proposition. It's only good business sense. Will PC members be afforded that same choice?

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited December 1969

    Jack Tomalin said:
    ...snipped cos it was getting too long...

    Correct, we'll be able to offer the usual 30% intro discount on top. And yes, the issue we have is that the price is always 1.99, so there is no incentive for people to purchase.. since it's always that price.

    There's no simple solution, there are lots of different sides to this, and the beta is the chance for us to test it all in the field and see what our members think.

    And thanks, I'm ageing rapidly in this job.. but it's only hair, eh ;)

    Ok well, that sounds a bit better. I'm a KneeJerk Girl, I speak before I think. LOL. Hmmm, ok yes, that is sounding a bit better. Still a little concerned about the list of pa's opting in, but not as much.


    Do what I do, Jack - shave your head so it's just stubble...then you don't have to worry :D :D

    *wonders if Jack is racing about his study, cursing and yelling and spitting chips...then sitting down calmly to respond to yet another concerned person.....*

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited December 1969

    scorpio64dragon said:

    If the price does stack I was under the impression it might not.

    And if he'd answered your post with "Naff off, you git!!" the replies to mine would probably have been quite colourful.

    LOL!! :D I was being polite for the forum - what was in my head was a LOT more colourful than just "naff off". :D

    Yeah, the price stacking might make a difference.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,479
    edited December 1969

    LaurieS said:
    Would the Aiko 6 bundle be cheaper after signing up for the beta? Can you use two coupons on it?

    You can only use one coupon/ cart. Would it be cheaper now? I can not remember if you always could use the coupon on new main store DAZ original releases, but you can now.

    I could be wrong but I thought you couldn't use the PC+ coupons on new products - so you won't be able to apply either to the Aiko6 bundle.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    edited December 1969

    Jack Tomalin said:
    Misty Whisky said:
    Jack Tomalin said:
    scorpio64dragon said:
    I would much rather you just increase the price so that I know where I stand financially the % means that you can increase what we pay just by slowly increasing base prices.

    The issue that we have with the current model is that a fixed price of a 1.99 doesn't really make sense. Why should an environment be the same price as a pose pack, when one costs more to produce than the other?

    Furthermore, not all environments are the same, same are a lot smaller.. some are a lot bigger. Should they be the same price? The % does allow the base prices to be adjusted to more accurately reflect each products size and contents - and as continue to offer all items at a deep discount.


    but then, couldn't those high end sets be DO and not pc items?

    so many pc items require other items,
    separate the hair and the hair colors, it's 1.99 x2. add a fit, another 1.99.
    look at the dream home, over 60 1.99 items, the home is over a 100 bucks.

    Again, yes.. we could have DO items.. but then we're talking $14-$16.. that's even more expensive than the 70% being offered currently.

    The Dream Home complete is over $100, but look at what you get for that (it took over two years to complete, too). What price would you expect to pay for it?

    I'll quite happily put all my items out as DO's, but I figured PC members like my stuff? ;)


    It's true, I'd buy a 1.99 item before a 16 dollar one. :)

    honestly, i usually skip over the 2.99 ones.

    the root of the pc club for me is the 1.99 items.

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281
    edited June 2014

    scorpio64dragon said:
    LaurieS said:
    Would the Aiko 6 bundle be cheaper after signing up for the beta? Can you use two coupons on it?

    You can only use one coupon/ cart. Would it be cheaper now? I can not remember if you always could use the coupon on new main store DAZ original releases, but you can now.

    I could be wrong but I thought you couldn't use the PC+ coupons on new products - so you won't be able to apply either to the Aiko6 bundle.

    I used my PC $6 coupon on the Aiko 6 pro bundle and it worked (this is the original PC, not the new PCPlus thing)


    edit: oh whoops....I saw you wrote "PC+" afterwards. LOL.

    Post edited by jakiblue on
  • Laurie SLaurie S Posts: 393
    edited December 1969

    scorpio64dragon said:
    LaurieS said:
    Would the Aiko 6 bundle be cheaper after signing up for the beta? Can you use two coupons on it?

    You can only use one coupon/ cart. Would it be cheaper now? I can not remember if you always could use the coupon on new main store DAZ original releases, but you can now.

    I could be wrong but I thought you couldn't use the PC+ coupons on new products - so you won't be able to apply either to the Aiko6 bundle.

    You can on main Store DAZ origonals : Taken from here http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-plus

    It will continue to apply to any non Platinum Club DAZ Original whether or not it is a new release.

  • Daniel BarnettDaniel Barnett Posts: 389
    edited December 1969

    scorpio64dragon said:
    Jack Tomalin said:
    scorpio64dragon said:
    When do intend to implement these changes, I got a years membership on the strength of the way things are now, I really don't like the sound of this % I really dislike that you plan to change the terms in the middle of my membership

    Nothing is being currently implemented other than the opt-in beta. Any longer term changes to the regular membership will be discussed and addressed at the appropriate time, if necessary :)

    Well my feed back is this from looking at the currant V4 sale while not logged in we are going to be paying an average of $4-6 per item and if base prices continue to increase as has been happening that will go up, having seen the recent sales there will be little to keep me in the PC club. The repetitiveness of products and the numerous refits that are being produced does not give me confidence that it would be worth my while to stay. I would much rather you just increase the price so that I know where I stand financially the % means that you can increase what we pay just by slowly increasing base prices.

    The % does seem to mean an increase since most of the current % is over 80% so dropping the % means it costs me more money. I mean really doesn't change always mean more $$ from me to you?!?!

    dbb

  • Daniel BarnettDaniel Barnett Posts: 389
    edited December 1969

    LaurieS said:
    SassyWench said:
    OK... so the downside is paying more for PC stuff like the Viking hair would be about 3.50 and the textures about 2.30. Not that bad with the trade off being discounts on PA items. Though not on new releases. Hmm...

    I've been up for about 19 hours, so maybe it's time to sleep on it or my head could explode. LOL

    But it actually sounds pretty fair (in my sleep deprived brain?). Good thing I'm off tomorrow to ponder. :lol:

    Yes you get the 30% discount off of PA items, plus a coupon that can be applied to PA items if you spend 18$ , in addition you will also have the 6$ coupon that can now be applied to PC items ( aside from new releases) :-)

    Most PA items are released at 30% off now so where's the benefit??
    dbb

  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,497
    edited December 1969

    dbbdaniel said:
    LaurieS said:
    SassyWench said:
    OK... so the downside is paying more for PC stuff like the Viking hair would be about 3.50 and the textures about 2.30. Not that bad with the trade off being discounts on PA items. Though not on new releases. Hmm...

    I've been up for about 19 hours, so maybe it's time to sleep on it or my head could explode. LOL

    But it actually sounds pretty fair (in my sleep deprived brain?). Good thing I'm off tomorrow to ponder. :lol:

    Yes you get the 30% discount off of PA items, plus a coupon that can be applied to PA items if you spend 18$ , in addition you will also have the 6$ coupon that can now be applied to PC items ( aside from new releases) :-)

    Most PA items are released at 30% off now so where's the benefit??
    dbb

    From the FAQ :)

    The 30% discount may or may not stack with intro pricing on new items, this is left up to the PA’s discretion. It will stack with other discounts on a PA’s store just like your DAZ Original discount stacks with other current promotions.

  • bad4ubad4u Posts: 684
    edited August 2014

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  • ZelrothZelroth Posts: 910
    edited December 1969

    scorpio64dragon said:
    LaurieS said:
    Would the Aiko 6 bundle be cheaper after signing up for the beta? Can you use two coupons on it?

    You can only use one coupon/ cart. Would it be cheaper now? I can not remember if you always could use the coupon on new main store DAZ original releases, but you can now.

    I could be wrong but I thought you couldn't use the PC+ coupons on new products - so you won't be able to apply either to the Aiko6 bundle.

    I have nearly always used the PC coupon on new items, otherwise I would probably never use it. So yes, it should be usable on A6 bundle, at least it was on Tues, when I was trying to figure out how much more money I needed, before what I had was commandeered for food.

  • maraichmaraich Posts: 494
    edited December 1969

    So, I went ahead and signed up to try the beta out. I popped over to my wish list to see how things had changed price-wise on the many PC items I have stored there. On average, for items no longer subject to the 30% intro price, I see a price of $5.09 for outfits, structures and hair. For texture add-ons and poses the average price is $3.27.

    So, assuming these items are no longer considered "new" (I'm not clear on when a PC item is no longer considered new - when the intro price is no longer applicable, or after six months?), I can apply my coupon toward one and get it for free.

    New items, like the viking hair and the add-on textures for the viking outfit are set at 79% off which includes the 30% off intro price. That makes the hair $3.56 and the texture add-ons $2.30.

    This is just me, so don't take it to mean this is how everyone will react. I'm currently a starving college student, with almost no income coming in, so my buying practices may not reflect the norm. For me, seeing the higher prices for newer stuff, but knowing that eventually I can pick them up for free (if I'm patient and wait for them to no longer count as new) encourages me to continue hoarding PC items on my wish list. New people coming into the hobby might not react that way since they're not used to the $1.99 price.

    That's just my initial reaction. I'll have to reevaluate things as the beta progresses.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,479
    edited December 1969

    jakiblue said:
    scorpio64dragon said:
    LaurieS said:
    Would the Aiko 6 bundle be cheaper after signing up for the beta? Can you use two coupons on it?

    You can only use one coupon/ cart. Would it be cheaper now? I can not remember if you always could use the coupon on new main store DAZ original releases, but you can now.

    I could be wrong but I thought you couldn't use the PC+ coupons on new products - so you won't be able to apply either to the Aiko6 bundle.

    I used my PC $6 coupon on the Aiko 6 pro bundle and it worked (this is the original PC, not the new PCPlus thing)


    edit: oh whoops....I saw you wrote "PC+" afterwards. LOL.

    Yea I normally use mine on the new figures to be honest without being able to use the coupon on the new figures even just the base I probably couldn't justify the cost.
    I just checked the coupons cannot be used on new releases

  • SzarkSzark Posts: 10,634
    edited December 1969

    Well I say good luck with testing this Jack and DAZ3D. Change is part of life. Personally I am not bothered either way, Both are still value for money. ANd no I am not a PC member at the moment as funds are tight.

  • Daniel BarnettDaniel Barnett Posts: 389
    edited December 1969

    Jack Tomalin said:
    scorpio64dragon said:
    I would much rather you just increase the price so that I know where I stand financially the % means that you can increase what we pay just by slowly increasing base prices.

    The issue that we have with the current model is that a fixed price of a 1.99 doesn't really make sense. Why should an environment be the same price as a pose pack, when one costs more to produce than the other?

    Furthermore, not all environments are the same, same are a lot smaller.. some are a lot bigger. Should they be the same price? The % does allow the base prices to be adjusted to more accurately reflect each products size and contents - and as continue to offer all items at a deep discount.

    Let me start by saying I love your work and I can't understand most of them being sold @ 1.99 - but I can't see paying the $20.00 or more on some of the other PA's environment's being sold either! I don't know where I would draw the line on the best price for some of your works! This is a tuff one but I really like your work but more then $10 to $15 on the average would probably put me out of the add to cart range - on an average!!

    Thank you for all of your work and the crazy low ball prices you've given us to date!!!!

    dbb

  • Laurie SLaurie S Posts: 393
    edited December 1969

    maraich said:
    So, I went ahead and signed up to try the beta out. I popped over to my wish list to see how things had changed price-wise on the many PC items I have stored there. On average, for items no longer subject to the 30% intro price, I see a price of $5.09 for outfits, structures and hair. For texture add-ons and poses the average price is $3.27.

    So, assuming these items are no longer considered "new" (I'm not clear on when a PC item is no longer considered new - when the intro price is no longer applicable, or after six months?), I can apply my coupon toward one and get it for free.

    New items, like the viking hair and the add-on textures for the viking outfit are set at 79% off which includes the 30% off intro price. That makes the hair $3.56 and the texture add-ons $2.30.

    This is just me, so don't take it to mean this is how everyone will react. I'm currently a starving college student, with almost no income coming in, so my buying practices may not reflect the norm. For me, seeing the higher prices for newer stuff, but knowing that eventually I can pick them up for free (if I'm patient and wait for them to no longer count as new) encourages me to continue hoarding PC items on my wish list. New people coming into the hobby might not react that way since they're not used to the $1.99 price.

    That's just my initial reaction. I'll have to reevaluate things as the beta progresses.

    The 30% intro is good for two weeks, an item is considered new for 60 days.

  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,497
    edited December 1969

    bad4u said:
    jakiblue said:
    Jack Tomalin said:
    ...snipped cos it was getting too long...

    Correct, we'll be able to offer the usual 30% intro discount on top. And yes, the issue we have is that the price is always 1.99, so there is no incentive for people to purchase.. since it's always that price.

    There's no simple solution, there are lots of different sides to this, and the beta is the chance for us to test it all in the field and see what our members think.

    And thanks, I'm ageing rapidly in this job.. but it's only hair, eh ;)

    Ok well, that sounds a bit better. I'm a KneeJerk Girl, I speak before I think. LOL. Hmmm, ok yes, that is sounding a bit better. Still a little concerned about the list of pa's opting in, but not as much.

    Why should that sound better ?

    Say they release 4 PC items then, all in the low to mid price range, e.g. $9.95 + $12.95 + $14.95 + $16.95 one week. That's about $54.80 minus 30% intro discount and 70% PC discount then, giving you a $11.50 price tag for what you now pay 4* $1.99.

    If they even add new, higher priced (and quality) items to PC like it was said to be made possible then, you can easily come to a $20 price tag to get all 4 PC items - each week - or have to pass on these new, more expensive releases, leaving you with maybe only 2 "cheaper" items to choose from.

    Better ?

    11.50 against 7.96 is obviously more, but that's actually a pretty modest increase in my books. Obviously peoples budgets differ and any increase is bad.. but we're offsetting that as best we can with the $6 monthly coupon applicable to DO/PC items.

  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,497
    edited December 1969

    dbbdaniel said:
    Jack Tomalin said:
    scorpio64dragon said:
    I would much rather you just increase the price so that I know where I stand financially the % means that you can increase what we pay just by slowly increasing base prices.

    The issue that we have with the current model is that a fixed price of a 1.99 doesn't really make sense. Why should an environment be the same price as a pose pack, when one costs more to produce than the other?

    Furthermore, not all environments are the same, same are a lot smaller.. some are a lot bigger. Should they be the same price? The % does allow the base prices to be adjusted to more accurately reflect each products size and contents - and as continue to offer all items at a deep discount.

    Let me start by saying I love your work and I can't understand most of them being sold @ 1.99 - but I can't see paying the $20.00 or more on some of the other PA's environment's being sold either! I don't know where I would draw the line on the best price for some of your works! This is a tuff one but I really like your work but more then $10 to $15 on the average would probably put me out of the add to cart range - on an average!!

    Thank you for all of your work and the crazy low ball prices you've given us to date!!!!

    dbb

    Thanks,

    The good news is it wouldn't be $10-$15.. I think the average is about $5-$6, less on intro discount.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,085
    edited December 1969

    In all honesty, the thing that bothers me about the way this is being handled is the extremely short "beta" period. There's no way that DAZ can gather and properly analyze information that's even close to statistically accurate over such a short period, especially with the skewing caused by the "extra" coupon being dropped into the mix for people who have already used the current PC June coupon, relegating the effective pool of reliable data to the 31 days of July. And that's not even taking into account the tainting of THAT data from the "use it or lose it" phenomenon that occurs at the end of most trial periods, the effects of whatever other sales DAZ happens to run at the same time, the fact that July itself is an atypical retail month and that the statistical pool of data that DAZ has to compare is itself highly suspect given the massive problems with the store over the last two years. A WalMart or Target might be able to draw effective and accurate conclusions from a six week period. However, the current DAZ marketing team, which still regularly makes huge gaffes on simple things like coordinating the pricing of products between ads, forum and the store, and makes erroneous statements of fact even after they've previously been pointed out?

    And then there's the big "what are they NOT saying" question. This calls to memory the last big change that was made to the PC, the addition of the "value" category, which turned out to be badly flawed in both idea and execution. And a good percentage of the failure of that concept belonged to terrible marketing, because the "other shoe" didn't drop til the 60 day mark and then it was presented as a fait accompli. So instead of looking at how "good" this deal is... and honestly, it actually comes across as rather wishy washy after two months of non-stop 50-60% off sales from the same PAs... I find myself wondering what it is that isn't mentioned in the text.

    What I'd really like to see is an actual structure chart on how the new discounts work and stack (ie, if the 70% PC+ discount adds to things like the current 80% off sales or if it's locked at 70% no matter what,) how long the "intro period" is and a list of PAs who have agreed to be part of the program.

  • bad4ubad4u Posts: 684
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  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,497
    edited December 1969

    Cybersox13 said:
    In all honesty, the thing that bothers me about the way this is being handled is the extremely short "beta" period. There's no way that DAZ can gather and properly analyze information that's even close to statistically accurate over such a short period, especially with the skewing caused by the "extra" coupon being dropped into the mix for people who have already used the current PC June coupon, relegating the effective pool of reliable data to the 31 days of July. And that's not even taking into account the tainting of THAT data from the "use it or lose it" phenomenon that occurs at the end of most trial periods, the effects of whatever other sales DAZ happens to run at the same time, the fact that July itself is an atypical retail month and that the statistical pool of data that DAZ has to compare is itself highly suspect given the massive problems with the store over the last two years. A WalMart or Target might be able to draw effective and accurate conclusions from a six week period. However, the current DAZ marketing team, which still regularly makes huge gaffes on simple things like coordinating the pricing of products between ads, forum and the store, and makes erroneous statements of fact even after they've previously been pointed out?

    And then there's the big "what are they NOT saying" question. This calls to memory the last big change that was made to the PC, the addition of the "value" category, which turned out to be badly flawed in both idea and execution. And a good percentage of the failure of that concept belonged to terrible marketing, because the "other shoe" didn't drop til the 60 day mark and then it was presented as a fait accompli. So instead of looking at how "good" this deal is... and honestly, it actually comes across as rather wishy washy after two months of non-stop 50-60% off sales from the same PAs... I find myself wondering what it is that isn't mentioned in the text.

    What I'd really like to see is an actual structure chart on how the new discounts work and stack (ie, if the 70% PC+ discount adds to things like the current 80% off sales or if it's locked at 70% no matter what,) how long the "intro period" is and a list of PAs who have agreed to be part of the program.


    If proves inconclusive then we'll look at the options of either running a longer beta, tweaking the format etc, like I've said, nothing is off the table, nor set in stone :)

    The 70% PC discount will apply to PC items only. The only stacking will be the intro 30% discount, and additional savings via the $6 coupon on back-catalogue products. It won't affect brokered items - that part of the change comes via the 30% discount (stacking subject to the PA's wishes) which could then stack on any additional promo that PA is taking part in.

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