Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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so, baseline ...
i pay the 7.95 a month. a couple of 1.99 items a week.
not including figure releases like Gianni, not including march madness and pa month,
my monthly spending averages at daz store 39.79 usa dollars.
under the new plan, wondering what my average 39.79 is anticipated to go up to?
Back to the question of the PA pool. The PA pool is being touted as one of the perks of the new plus. It's been stated that, at least for the beta, the pool is large.
How locked into participation are PA's? Can they opt in and out at will? Must they opt in for specified time frame or specific number of times.
I don't care how large the pool is to start with, if the working pool ends up only being a handful of PA's offering the same catalogs multiple times, it's not perk.
LaurieS, posting this thread in the Commons and then saying you will only take input from the PC portal is the kind of thinking that got DAZ to this point. I would point out that only listening only to the folks that are currently PC members is yet another really bad idea by DAZ.
You won't get any feedback from either former members (such as myself), or potential members.
If the problem is declining revenues, rather than trying to chisel more money out of a shrinking group, why not try to get more people to join? I've read through all of the posts in this thread and I certainly haven't heard a single thing from DAZ that would make me rethink my decision to drop my PC membership.
I have a number of suggestions and observations, however, I am hesitant to give them because based on my experiences here in the forums over the past decade, DAZ is only interested in hearing how great they are - any actual concerns seem to fall afoul of the TOS (i.e. any constructive criticism is viewed as "unreasonable" by the forum mods.)
Sorry, did not mean it to come across that way, I am posting to the shadow thread in the Members forum and did not think about this being in the commons. You bring up a good point and I will ask if there can be a suggestion portal for everyone.
I just tried to submit my earlier post into the feedback, but got the below instead.
"There has been an error processing your request
Exception printing is disabled by default for security reasons.
Error log record number: 454634424139"
If I remember, I will try to resubmit tonight from home. ::sigh::
You would still be spending the monthly fee. To figure the rest of your average, you would have pick a couple of what you consider typical PC items you would purchase. Take their full store price and do a 70% discount. Add the cost of those items to your monthly fee. That would be the average cost of your fee and say two PC items. Subtract that from the $39.79 you figure you spend in an average month. The difference between the two is how much you would have left to spend in an average month.
We have let web know about this, :red:
This is for each week then, so you're talking about 4 * $3.50 a month and only if you buy anything INSTANTLY ON RELEASE. Buying PC items later without 30% intro discount brings those 4 PC items to $16.44 instead of $7.96 then, and I don't call a +100% a pretty modest increase anymore. And that misses the point that more expensive items might be added too, raising the monthly cost even more.
The data we have shows that it's not the norm for people to purchase all 4 items each week, every month. So while you're numbers are correct, it is the 'worst case' scenario. I accept spending habits may change, but again, it will be tested and analysed before we do anything further.
Also, the 100% increase on it's own sounds pretty scary, but when you consider the original sum to be low, in real dollar terms it's still, in my opinion, modest and fair.
From the FAQ :)
Stacking maybe good for some but it's just not something I buy into! I haven't gotten involved in any of these crazy sales run by DAZ lately! I look at them item and if I want it and have the $ I'll buy it if I don't like or can't afford it I log out!!
Like others I'm not much into all of the math! I'll only spend so much money and that's it!!! If more money needs to be made just increase the prices! Don't go adding all this magical discounts and amounts I have to have in my cart to get more money out of me. I'll either buy or not!
The Feed back form for Platinum Club is fixed.. To clarify, the portal is there for members to provide feedback, but everyone can add their comments here.
I know I would be locked in until 31 July, but If I sign up for the Beta and you do decide to run it longer than 31 luly, will I remain locked in past 31 July or will I be able to opt out at that time?
Come the 31st of July we will convert everyone's account in a bulk change back to regular PC membership. If we modify and / or extend the beta, it will need to be opted into again.
edited to specify 31st of July
I know I would be locked in until 31 July, but If I sign up for the Beta and you do decide to run it longer than 31 luly, will I remain locked in past 31 July or will I be able to opt out at that time?
The plan is to revert everyone back to normal PC membership - should we run another round of testing, we'll start over and it will be opt-in again with the duration clearly stated.
Edit: Ninja'd by Jon :)
well, i don't want to see Daz go out of business.
how many 1.99 items would i need to buy a month, for my part, to make the pc club be feasible?
and, don't know if it's a moot point, but sometimes i like my stuff to also work in pp12.
i've never seen a pc item for carrara? unless i missed it.
that could be another idea. + 1.99 for the carrara shader for the outfit, what-nots. +1.99 for the luxus shader. +1.99 for the bryce shader.
sometimes i buy 1.99 items of the week purely for the pc inspiration contest, always big plans for the weekend, :lol:
edit: fast moving thread, can't remember what i was replying :lol:
Good Morning :) Had sleep and had coffee and had some thinking. LOL
If I'm reading this all right, what stays the same is the 30% off DAZ originals which still stack with new release discounts, and the $6 coupon which can still be used on new release DO's. Correct? That part stays the same.
Then I've been getting 2 to 3 new PC items a week lately. That's 3@1.99= $6 as opposed to new average 3@3.50=$10.50. Personally, if I can spend $6 I can also spend $10.
Then we have the added stuff like the 30% off new PC items and the extra 30% off PA items maybe even including new releases, and the second $6 coupon with $18 in cart for DO and PA. Not new releases for PA but does that apply to DO's also for the second coupon?
For me, if I'm right about the what stays the same, it's a fair compromise I think. I'm in! :) (Though maybe we can discuss that second coupon being used on PA new releases? LOL)
You would still be spending the monthly fee. To figure the rest of your average, you would have pick a couple of what you consider typical PC items you would purchase. Take their full store price and do a 70% discount. Add the cost of those items to your monthly fee. That would be the average cost of your fee and say two PC items. Subtract that from the $39.79 you figure you spend in an average month. The difference between the two is how much you would have left to spend in an average month.
huh?
in other words, greater than 39.79, i suspect.
First of all Jack, thanks for being available to answer questions. I know this puts you and Laurie in the hot seat, and that can't be easy. :)
For me, I have to see the benefits and there's too much unknown about the "stacking" sales-we have no idea how often stores will have those. That said, DAZ has offered some really nice sales. The unknown frequency of stores going on sale that are also impacted by the new rules is an unknown. I think that makes it harder to tout what a good deal this is- (and not saying that it isn't) Right now, I see the prices of the PC items as stable- they are what they are. I do have to say it does give the other store with $3.50 items more likelihood of getting an equal amount of my business, whereas DAZ was my 95% my 3D store. So I agree with the other people who have already mentioned that.
I'm monthly PC and intend to stay that way, and not judging too harshly on this as the prices at $1.99 are low and I can see why vendors may hesitate to be a PC vendor. There's two sides to every situation.
That said, although volume sales would make up the difference between a $1.99 and $3.50 item, (from "other" store, used as example) if PC items are jumping to 70% of their price, we're talking a lot more than $1.50 or so in price difference. That wouldn't make sense for me as a consumer, for things I "don't have to have but the price was good." (As others said, will lower impulse shopping.) Has DAZ looked at just increasing the price from $1.99/$2.99 to something like $2.75/ $3.50 respectively but keeping all the other new benefits? Straight line pricing?
Again, thanks for taking the time to address questions and concerns. We appreciate you.
huh?
in other words, greater than 39.79, i suspect.
Yep. Cliff Bowman did some math on the pricing differences between the standard PC price of a couple of the latest releases and what the Plus prices would be. Basically it showed a better than 100% increase in your pricing. On average you seem to spend about $31.80 on PC items in a month. Roughly buy about 8 PC items per month. Instead of knowing you can buy 8 items and still be in your budget, you would have to keep track of what you've already spent and how much you have left. Not fun.
I have thoughts on all of this... but I'm having trouble making them coherent.
The sticky point is, of course, the change in the base PC price. I've generally been on the side of "if they need to up the price of PC items, I can deal, though I won't buy as many items." But this 70% off... isn't exactly what I was expecting. Not sure if it is good or bad. Just... not how I expected the price increase to be implemented.
My free spending money has also recently taken a bit of a hit, and I've had several weeks where I had to put PC items I wanted on the wish list to wait. Some of those things are still there. Under this structure, they will wait longer.
Question I haven't seen answered (or maybe my brain isn't processing it) yet
If Daz does a "50% off Daz Original Science Fiction" sale, will the sale stack on PC items now? When they were a flat price, they understandably didn't. But since the PC, under this structure, will just be a Mega Discount, will it stack with other Mega Discounts?
This new pricing structure will allow for a certain amount of sales I think, but the % off will have to be decided on a promo by promo basis ;-)
We have, yes.. again, it's the lack of flexibility for us to price items according to their content, which is the issue for us.
I don't believe a < $1 increase would be enough to absorb the cost of the new benefits, but I'll add it to the suggest list :)
First, I'd really like to thank Jack and Laurie for watching this thread while I slept last night. It seems that there are a lot of concerns and questions which is why we are running a beta period.
Second, I'd really like to encourage everyone to read the entire announcement and the entire FAQ. I know they are long, but they do answer a lot of the questions that have been asked here. If either of those posts are causing too much confusion I'll look at editing them to be more clear.
Correct (for the most part).
- 30% off DAZ Originals doesn't change for PC+ members. It is exactly like the regular PC program.
- $6 coupon good for DAZ Originals (including new releases) for PC+ members. Just like the regular PC program. I've seen a few people mention that this coupon won't work on new releases for PC+ members and that is just not true. One thing to keep in mind though is that when you convert your account the coupon code changes. (This was covered in the FAQ). Your new PC+ coupons will be displayed in your platinum club portal.
- PC+ members get access to all the freebies that PC members get access to. This doesn't change at all.
- PC+ members get access to the Member's Only Forum.
Okay, so that covers pretty much everything that stays the same. I'm sure there might be other stuff, but these seem to be the big points that people were concerned about.
So let's go over some of the changes and why we are doing them and how they will work.
- PC items for PC+ members are no longer $1.99 they are 70% off. This 70% stacks with their intro 30% (lasts for 2 weeks) to give a total of 79% off. I'm not 100% sure on the numbers but I think the average PC item's list price is $12.00 - $15.00. So if you purchased that on intro you would pay $2.52 to $3.15. So yes, there will be an overall price increase on the $1.99 products.
- PC+ members get an additional $6.00 coupon every month good for anything in the store excluding gift cards, new releases, and memberships. This coupon requires a purchase of $18.00 or more. So if your cart is exactly $18.00 you'd end up paying $12.00 for that order. Keep in mind that you can add multiple items to your cart to hit that total. It doesn't need to be 1 item over $18.00
- PC+ members get 30% off of select rotating PA's. Many people have asked what's so great about this. We already do flash sales etc. Well this 30% stacks with additional promotions (except intro pricing). For example right now there are several featured PA's for the PC+ who also have their stores on sale if you buy one of their new releases.
So why the added benefits and why the change in price? As Jack said the $1.99 PC price hasn't changed in 10 years. Inflation in the US is about 3% per year. So if prices followed inflation they'd be $2.75. That doesn't take into account the difference in production cost for different PC products. A huge environment costs much more to product than a texture set for example. So this obviously needs to change. The 70% off model is something we are testing with the beta.
In order to soften the blow, or offset the increase cost of the PC items we've tried to include new benefits that PC members have wanted. Namely access to discounts on PA stores via their PC memberships. That is what the 30% off PA stores and the additional coupon are for. We aren't trying to make the pricing structure complicated we are trying to give PC members additional benefits to offset the benefits they may be losing.
Several people have asked which PA's have opted in. I'm not sure I can disclose which PA's but I'll try to come up with a number of PA's and I'll post it. I'm also working on numbers and examples that reflect average PC member spending so people can see how it affects the average PC member.
Nothing is certain.. but potentially it does give us room to offer additional discounts. Like you say, flat prices meant we couldn't, and even then it was limited to the 99c sales which we kept for the Anniversary sale. The % discount approach offers up opportunities to tie into other promotions, but I certainly can't say that would be the rule and not exception.
Coupons cannot be used on new items.
We have, yes.. again, it's the lack of flexibility for us to price items according to their content, which is the issue for us.
I don't believe a < $1 increase would be enough to absorb the cost of the new benefits, but I'll add it to the suggest list :)
If increasing the prices by $1 won't cover the shortfall then what will? You seem to be saying that DAZ needs to increase its prices for PC members. So PC+ isn't a better deal (it can't be because that would defeat the whole point of increasing prices) and DAZ needs to obscure this fact and persuade us otherwise with all these convoluted discounts.
Sorry, but yes they can :)
I just used the new beta DO one on Dark Sisterhood outfit and Aim and Shoot. Happy camper!
Coupons cannot be used on new items.
Well, I've decided that the worst case scenario (for the Beta) is that I have 6 weeks worth of PC items on my wish list come August 1.
In which case, I'll give the Beta a try. :)
Okay I see Daz's point I also see my wallet and what I have to spend on a regular bases, and yes this will curb my spending significantly.
I have a question and more than a few concerns:
First how long will the PA's be available do they rotate on a daily bases or will they be up for a week or two. And no I do not want to hear "well we don't know". I like many other people get paid at certain times and most times have to wait until payday to buy anything hence my wishlist.
I will try the beta but only after I buy what few things on my wishlist are 1.99 because I have this nagging fear that they will suddenly be changed in price permanently. (Yes Jack I know what has been said I also know what has happened in the past and it has done nothing to calm my fears)
Edit to correct spelling errors
Taken from the opening post
Receive a monthly $6.00 coupon good for DAZ Originals, like the current plan, with one exciting addition: Platinum Club Plus members can now use these coupons on Platinum Club Items (excluding new releases).
- Take an additional 30% Off all DAZ Original Items, exactly like the current plan.
- Receive 30% Off a rotating group of (select) Premier Artist Catalogs. This brand new benefit is EXCLUSIVE to Platinum Club Plus members and will stack with any other applicable promotions.
- Receive an additional $6.00 good toward anything in the store, including Premier Artist catalogs (excludes new releases, gift cards and memberships). This coupon requires an $18.00 minimum purchase giving Platinum Club Plus members up to 33% off Premier Artist products even if they aren’t currently featured or on sale.
Its says excluding new releases
http://www.daz3d.com/platinum-club-items :D