Announcing The Platinum Club Plus [Beta] Program
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Admittedly it's a little late, but since you're committed now, have a read of this entire thread if you haven't already.. hopefully it will help you understand our reasoning behind this.
Understanding is one thing but being able to afford it is something else, the prices are tripling not doubling.
Can't you let her out if she's not used the coupons.
it's a NEW item Misty... so no.. it doesn't bring it back down to the 1.99 price... I'm stuck now... I'm stupid stupid... I'm so mad at myself for saying yes to OPT IN now... Don't know WHAT DAZ is thinking??? (sighs) Guess I'll be saving my money... I WILL miss the weekly PC contest though. :(
maybe a support ticket? they can manually opt you to normal?
i think, if you have to wait it out, is till eom July.
if you're not in the contest, i'm not either.
puts the tea kettle on :)
The FAQ, Announcement and the message you get when you click Convert account all make it very clear that once you convert your account it is converted until July 31st. Please don't bother support and ask to be let out of the PC+ program as they aren't going to be able to do that for you.
If you've converted your account I suggest reading through the announcement and the FAQ to see what additional benefits you can take advantage of while you are in the PC+ Beta program.
:P
Misty Whisky for the head of marketing!!!
The new scheme sounds better. Much, much better. Too bad you can only try it after you have the membership and opt in - I'd prefer to see the actual discounts on my wishlist before making my mind. Just a thought though.
it's a NEW item Misty... so no.. it doesn't bring it back down to the 1.99 price... I'm stuck now... I'm stupid stupid... I'm so mad at myself for saying yes to OPT IN now... Don't know WHAT DAZ is thinking??? (sighs) Guess I'll be saving my money... I WILL miss the weekly PC contest though. :(
I put the same items in my cart and used the DO coupon on it and it definitely discounted it. My cart includes tax unlike the other pics, but it's still cheaper. Even if you used your PC coupon earlier in the month, you get two new ones after signing up for Beta.
In this case, since you'd be using a $6 coupon on a $5 item, it might be better to add in the hair colors as well. That would give you both PC items for 2.38.
I put the same items in my cart and used the DO coupon on it and it definitely discounted it. My cart includes tax unlike the other pics, but it's still cheaper. Even if you used your PC coupon earlier in the month, you get two new ones after signing up for Beta.
In this case, since you'd be using a $6 coupon on a $5 item, it might be better to add in the hair colors as well. That would give you both PC items for 2.38.
i think cyberfox tried the coupie early on as a test, and it was a one shot deal. you may have to use it for that hair now.
Which comes right back to my original comment that 6 weeks isn't a long enough period to gather statistically accurate data. You can't base an order for all the snow plows and rock salt you're going to need for an entire winter based on a sampling of data you capture during a single September and half of an October. Likewise you can't really judge the reaction to a new program if you're not going to test it under a range of conditions that address situations that are almost certainly going to come up in the real world. As it is, the artificial incentives that are already being added in for the beta period (free extra coupon, free ESCoRT model from DZ Fire, and probably more to come) are guaranteed to skew things to look far more favorable in the short term while the unseen/untested negatives could cause a lot of grief and heartache down the road.
I keep coming back to that last wonderful brainstorm, the Value Category, about which the initial announcement read: "We're very excited about these changes, and think that you will be too!" Yep, folks got excited all right, but there are some kinds of exciting that most of us would rather avoid. And, of course, that was nothing compared to the previous "we're changing the PC club" debacle that came in with the new store, the ongoing, seemingly unending "New, Improved STORE to serve you better!" incident itself and the ever popular "oh, all that software you paid hundreds of dollars for is now free" PR disaster. One has to wonder if any of the current DAZ marketing people were around for those swell times when DAZ thought it was leading a parade that turned out to be an angry mob instead.
Personally, I'd rather see a third option wherein the cost of "PC Uber" would go up a few bucks a month and then include both the current PC benefits and the new "+" benefits, for those who want them. That would make a lot more sense under the rules of line extension (which your marketing people ought to know). Moreover, it would allow all three variants of the plan to run simultaneously for an extended period better suited for determining which plan is actually the best in terms of promoting sales in the long run.
Coupons are a one shot, use it or lose it deal. If you buy a $5 item with a $6 coupon, you lose the other dollar. It's not like the old voucher system where the difference carried over until it hit zero.
Love it! PC Club was getting tired...the $1.99 stuff I cared about I burned through weeks after I joined.
I was just about to expire/quit...now I may re-up :)
I put the same items in my cart and used the DO coupon on it and it definitely discounted it. My cart includes tax unlike the other pics, but it's still cheaper. Even if you used your PC coupon earlier in the month, you get two new ones after signing up for Beta.
In this case, since you'd be using a $6 coupon on a $5 item, it might be better to add in the hair colors as well. That would give you both PC items for 2.38.
i think cyberfox tried the coupie early on as a test, and it was a one shot deal. you may have to use it for that hair now.
I was pretty careful to click the "Cancel Coupon" link after reading the comment from the person who used theirs on a $0 cart...
I think this does bring up an interesting situation, though. I don't usually get the $2 PC items, so having a coupon that I can use on PC items in addition to one I can use on PA items may actually mean I get the PC items more often and at a lower price. Others, who normally get multiple PC items every week, may end up buying much less.
Platinum Club Plus?... Why limit the bennies to "addition" and not square root the potential and make it PC³ ?
3d content is not like commodities, you do not need to shrink the product to meet costs. Cost reduction in a 3d acquisition pipeline is accomplished through process improvement. Increasing product value is done by demonstrating what can be done with the 3d product - not necessarily by putting more into R&D. The reason sales are less than expected may because most do not realize what the potential value of the product is, for them. DAZ 3D is akin to a full ski resort. Adding snow to trails is critical to make sales, but it does nothing to increase the volume of sales. DAZ needs to show the average social media consumer the full potential of the product and make it - drop dead easy... to publish content in 3d. Because tomorrow that what Facebook will be clamoring for. If FarmVille got gazillions of people tending virtual fields, imagine if they could show off their Dazzling dream house & gardens!. To think you cant hit a button and spit out a FB postcard yet from DAZ is astonishing - and why its not quite there yet. Its close and many other forces are converging to give DAZ 3d a unique opportunity to recapture the next big wave in 3d.
Sure must to be in the fun of the DAZ in on the marketing meetings.. the possibilities are endless.
OK, I have a request/feedback, though it's not specific to PC Plus. I wish the date the new products hit the store would be listed in the Notes section of their individual product pages.
I just added Stonemason's latest into my cart, but it's obviously considered "new" because the new PA coupon didn't work. However, if the date it hit the store was there for all to see, we'd know if we could get it at some point this week, since next week his store won't be one of those catalogs available for the 30% discount. Unless something debuts within a week or two of my making my purchases, I can't remember just how new it is.
Thanks for any consideration of this request. If you need for me to make it through the PC+ feedback system, let me know and I'll do so, but since it's more a general request, I don't think it appropriate.
I haven't made my decision yet, whether to sign up or not, but I've done the maths with several current PC items and I want to say that I love the idea of including rotated PA stores into the club, and I love the idea of getting two vouchers.
That's all the selfish side of me has to say.
But the businesslike side of me wants to support the idea of trading off these benefits with a small price increase and I agree completely that one item is different to another so prices should vary. Makes perfect sense. Looks to me like the price increase isn't huge, especially when you consider the prices have stayed so low for ten years. Not many commodities have had such a run, most things go up in price several times a year.
So yeah, really I just want to wish Jack and the team loads of success with this venture.
Much respect,
Barry.
New items [almost] always have that green "New" tag on them. I say almost because sometimes people make mistakes and click the wrong "New Until" date when setting up the product page.
However, that doesn't necessarily address your suggestion. I think it's a good idea. I'm not saying it is something we'd definitely do, but we could look into it.
If they'd just make the sku on the product page a hot-link to the readme it would solve several problems - and this is one of them, since the release date is in the readme.
Thank you!! I hadn't even thought to look at the ReadMe. Thanks for reminding me, but yes a link to the ReadMe, assuming it's been uploaded to the wiki before (or at the same time) the product hits the store would work. Often, however, that isn't the case, so just adding the store debut date in the Notes section of the product page would be a big help.
Hmm, interesting new approach for the PC. I think I will check it out to see what it's like. Will I love it? Dunno. Will I hate it? Dunno. I'll just try it out and see what happens. I don't think there will be a huge change for me over 6 weeks so, what the hey?
Which comes right back to my original comment that 6 weeks isn't a long enough period to gather statistically accurate data. You can't base an order for all the snow plows and rock salt you're going to need for an entire winter based on a sampling of data you capture during a single September and half of an October. Likewise you can't really judge the reaction to a new program if you're not going to test it under a range of conditions that address situations that are almost certainly going to come up in the real world. As it is, the artificial incentives that are already being added in for the beta period (free extra coupon, free ESCoRT model from DZ Fire, and probably more to come) are guaranteed to skew things to look far more favorable in the short term while the unseen/untested negatives could cause a lot of grief and heartache down the road.
I keep coming back to that last wonderful brainstorm, the Value Category, about which the initial announcement read: "We're very excited about these changes, and think that you will be too!" Yep, folks got excited all right, but there are some kinds of exciting that most of us would rather avoid. And, of course, that was nothing compared to the previous "we're changing the PC club" debacle that came in with the new store, the ongoing, seemingly unending "New, Improved STORE to serve you better!" incident itself and the ever popular "oh, all that software you paid hundreds of dollars for is now free" PR disaster. One has to wonder if any of the current DAZ marketing people were around for those swell times when DAZ thought it was leading a parade that turned out to be an angry mob instead.
Personally, I'd rather see a third option wherein the cost of "PC Uber" would go up a few bucks a month and then include both the current PC benefits and the new "+" benefits, for those who want them. That would make a lot more sense under the rules of line extension (which your marketing people ought to know). Moreover, it would allow all three variants of the plan to run simultaneously for an extended period better suited for determining which plan is actually the best in terms of promoting sales in the long run.
I agree with you. Already we've seen what happens when someone doesn't read carefully enough and stop to think about all the ramifications of something. How many members read only the "you get this, this and this" parts without paying attention to the "you lose this, this, and this" parts. Or, "...oooh, look, if I convert to this, they'll give me that..." without stopping to remember that nothing is ever truly free.
The Value Category. In principle, I had and have nothing against it. My problem with it was the Product Roulette or "can you guess which products will end up in which category at the end of two weeks" game. It may have promoted sales for a short period of time but since it seems to be languishing in the nether reaches it doesn't seem to have added much in the long run.
DAZ marketing staff are probably a lot like our own in-house marketing and those who handled marketing for some of the companies I've been out sourced to. We in the various departments could tell them until we were blue in the face that something would not work to the company's advantage but if they got it into their heads it would, they wouldn't listen. I've seen marketing departments take companies down like lions taking down a wildebeest.
If DAZ wants to add another level to the PC, fine. Add it. Offer more perks and other options. Heck, I'd even give up the $6 monthly coupon to keep the rest of the standard PC perks.
New items [almost] always have that green "New" tag on them. I say almost because sometimes people make mistakes and click the wrong "New Until" date when setting up the product page.
However, that doesn't necessarily address your suggestion. I think it's a good idea. I'm not saying it is something we'd definitely do, but we could look into it.
Another reminder I hadn't thought about. I was so excited about the PA coupon, I didn't notice the "New" tag on the promo in his store.
As far a my suggestion, I'm not saying someone (or someones) need to go back and add it to every product in the store. That would be a huuuuuge job. I think, however, adding it to new products that hit the store "from now on" would be greatly appreciated, mostly because the "New" tag still doesn't address exactly when the 60-day new release period started, and will ultimately end.
Thanks for considering it Jared. :coolsmile:
I was dubious earlier on but have given it a lot of thought and can see it being a good thing. The PA voucher makes it all more interesting though it remains to be seen whether I'd consistently use it. While I think the PC items are fantastic value for the work that goes into them, I can't always see a use for them and don't automatically buy them simply because they are there, so it could mean I get more of what I actually can use. Anyhow, it's a trial, so I'm willing to see how it goes and what the verdict is at the end.
I second this. I appreciate the fact that Jack and others have been around all day to patiently respond to all queries and a whole spectrum of reactions. Communication here is excellent, especially when compared with a number of other experiences of this kind that I've had over the last year.
I hope the trial works out well, and proves useful no matter what the final decision.
Cool. For trying out the PC+ I got a free weasel.
;-)
So what's the benefit of having 30% off of rotating PA stores, versus waiting for a 70% flash sale?
OT-
I suggested the same thing a few months back and was told to write down the sku and go to the wiki, which was something I was asking for an easier solution to in the first place.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/37848/
So did I, I was stoatally surprised! ;)
So did I, I was stoatally surprised! ;)
LOL
LOL
I was surprised too. In fact, I wouldn't have even known about it, except I saw it in the store banner. :coolsmirk:
Have fun with it. I just want to say DAZ3D had nothing to do with the free Weasel, it was my way of saying thanks to you, the customers, and DAZ for letting myself and fellow PAs the opportunity to become part of the Platinum Club. Keep looking to the future for more freebies from team DzFire for PC+ members.
I suggested the same thing a few months back and was told to write down the sku and go to the wiki, which was something I was asking for an easier solution to in the first place.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/37848/
I think that would be good as well as the thought I had about adding the info in the Notes section of the product page, but I've found all too often that a brand new item's ReadMe isn't in the wiki yet. I'm not sure if DAZ add's those or the vendors, but I've seen a lapse between a product's debut, and the ReadMe showing up in the wiki.
Have fun with it. I just want to say DAZ3D had nothing to do with the free Weasel, it was my way of saying thanks to you, the customers, and DAZ for letting myself and fellow PAs the opportunity to become part of the Platinum Club. Keep looking to the future for more freebies from team DzFire for PC+ members.
Thank you sir, it's most appreciated. :coolsmile:
I suggested the same thing a few months back and was told to write down the sku and go to the wiki, which was something I was asking for an easier solution to in the first place.
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/37848/
Well the PA discount stacks with other discounts. For example right now you can save up to 65% on select PA's if you are part of Platinum Club Plus.
You just need to combine your Platinum Club Plus discount with the summer stackup discount available.