Nvidia Ampere (2080 Ti, etc. replacements) and other rumors...

18911131445

Comments

  • Wow, the 3080 seems really priced to move. Get the feeling that initial availability is going to be tough.

     

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,068
    edited September 2020

    Wow, the 3080 seems really priced to move. Get the feeling that initial availability is going to be tough.

     

    Yeah I think you will see the 3080 and 3070 fly out the door so to speak due to their low cost.. And that the 3070 is faster than a 2080Ti is good too, I do like the new features that the cards will do as well.. With facial animation from just using either voice recordings or live voice looks interesting.. And it looks like better cloth dynamics as well, whether that comes into the realm of Daz Studio will have to wait and see..

    Post edited by Ghosty12 on
  • droidy001droidy001 Posts: 282
    edited September 2020
    Think my 2060S needs to be put on ebay right now. I can go a month or 2 with a 560ti with one working fan.
    Post edited by droidy001 on
  • 10496 CUDAs..... 

    My..... GOD!

     
  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,191

    Guess there's a 3090 in my future. I'd been saving up for a Titan RTX, but not no more.

  • So I was wrong. But do note the 3090 is the Titan not the 3080ti and availability will be weird as there is no word on which AIB's will make it. Beyond the one brand I've never heard of that has posted their card.

    3080 is what they seem to want to sell to consumers.

    Also they said 30fps at 8k and no they never said what, not that there are more than a handful of 8k displays out yet. They likely meant something like minecraft or CS:GO. Anything more than that would choke even that sort of card. 8k is 4x a 4k display and hitting 120fps at 4k is pretty hard even on games like CS:GO.

    Also the 3080 they showed didn't seem to have a NVLink connector but they were handling it funny apparently to try to keep the power connector off the camera. They may be regretting pissing off the entire industry with their stupid new power connector.

  • tj_1ca9500btj_1ca9500b Posts: 2,057
    edited September 2020

    So far, I've seen leaked photos of 3090s from Asus, Gainward, Gigabyte, and Inno3D, and there may be other leaked photos that I don't know about.  I'm sure that product pages from the usual suspects will be going up shortly if they aren't up already.  September 17th was the announced launch date.

    Post edited by tj_1ca9500b on
  • EnoughButterEnoughButter Posts: 103
    edited September 2020

    So I was wrong. But do note the 3090 is the Titan not the 3080ti and availability will be weird as there is no word on which AIB's will make it. Beyond the one brand I've never heard of that has posted their card

     

    ASUS?

    https://videocardz.com/press-release/asus-announces-geforce-rtx-30-series

    Gigabyte?

    https://www.techpowerup.com/271623/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3090-ampere-eagle-oc-and-gaming-oc-pictured

     

     

    Post edited by EnoughButter on
  • gainward and inno3d are not players in the US. No idea if the sell outside Asia TBH. I've seen an Asus card with no branding to say whether it is a 3080 or 3090. The Gigabyte leak shows the back of the card as well and it shows no NVLink connector. So either Nvidia is completely pulling NVLink from all consumer cards or it isn't a 3090.

    Now Nvidia could be pulling NVLink but that would be a pretty major screw job.

  • evacynevacyn Posts: 975

    I think I'm going to break the bank and buy the 3090 and sell my twin 1080 TIs. I don't need the 8K gaming but the 24GB is just too good.

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,068
    edited September 2020

    gainward and inno3d are not players in the US. No idea if the sell outside Asia TBH. I've seen an Asus card with no branding to say whether it is a 3080 or 3090. The Gigabyte leak shows the back of the card as well and it shows no NVLink connector. So either Nvidia is completely pulling NVLink from all consumer cards or it isn't a 3090.

    Now Nvidia could be pulling NVLink but that would be a pretty major screw job.

    We get Gainward and Inno3D here in Australia, so will be interesting to see in a couple of weeks when they launch.. The problem would be having a motherboard being able to handle 2 triple slot graphics cards for NVLink to even work, that and the potential airflow issues with how the cards are designed..

    evacyn said:

    I think I'm going to break the bank and buy the 3090 and sell my twin 1080 TIs. I don't need the 8K gaming but the 24GB is just too good.


    Yeah it is tempting, the issue would be getting a decent PSU and a case to handle such a card.. And one could get those PCI-E riser cables so as to have the video card mounted vertically instead of the usual horizontal form factor..

    Post edited by Ghosty12 on
  • One thing about the pricing today-that huge gap between the 3080 and the 3090 could be to separate the gaming enthusiast from the professional line, but also leaves room for an eventual 3080Ti. NVidia probably wants to let AMD release their new line first.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,191

    Now Nvidia could be pulling NVLink but that would be a pretty major screw job.

    I could be misremembering, but didn't you say something to the effect that VRAM could be shared over PCIE 4.0?

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,068
    edited September 2020

    One thing about the pricing today-that huge gap between the 3080 and the 3090 could be to separate the gaming enthusiast from the professional line, but also leaves room for an eventual 3080Ti. NVidia probably wants to let AMD release their new line first.

    Yeah we could see a 16 GB 3070 and a 20 GB 3080, but yes as you said all this could all depend on what AMD do..  One thing Jensen said at the end of that video that the 3090/3080/3070 cards are the first three in the Ampere family..

    Post edited by Ghosty12 on
  • Ghosty12 said:

    One thing about the pricing today-that huge gap between the 3080 and the 3090 could be to separate the gaming enthusiast from the professional line, but also leaves room for an eventual 3080Ti. NVidia probably wants to let AMD release their new line first.

    Yeah we could see a 16 GB 3070 and a 20 GB 3080, but yes as you said all this could all depend on what AMD do..  One thing Jensen said at the end of that video something along the lines of, these cards just the first in the Ampere family or something like that..

    If they pull out a 20GB 3080 right after I get the 3090 I will be so bummed, lol.

     

  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,068
    Ghosty12 said:

    One thing about the pricing today-that huge gap between the 3080 and the 3090 could be to separate the gaming enthusiast from the professional line, but also leaves room for an eventual 3080Ti. NVidia probably wants to let AMD release their new line first.

    Yeah we could see a 16 GB 3070 and a 20 GB 3080, but yes as you said all this could all depend on what AMD do..  One thing Jensen said at the end of that video something along the lines of, these cards just the first in the Ampere family or something like that..

    If they pull out a 20GB 3080 right after I get the 3090 I will be so bummed, lol.

     

    Is usually the way with tech, no sooner that you get something new that it is already out of date.. If you listen to Weird Al's song "It is all about the Pentiums" you get the idea.. :) lol

  • That was exciting and disappointing in equal measure.  It looks great and the price is great too (no increase on previous gen but way more powerful).  Thing is though, no mention of higher memory variants.  So it looks like I'm going to have to wait for a 16Gb 3070.

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,760

    The 3070 looks pretty tempting..... But 8GB or VRAM? (Maybe if 3rd parties come out with a 16GB version)

     

    Here's the important bits from Nvidia's product page.
     

    Name CUDA Cores Clock Speed VRAM NVLink Slots Power
    RTX 3070 5888 1.73 GHz 8GB No 2 220
    RTX 3080 8704 1.71 GHz 10GB No 2 320
    RTX 3090 10496 1.70 GHz 24GB Yes 3 350

     

  • RayDAntRayDAnt Posts: 1,147
    Gordig said:

    Now Nvidia could be pulling NVLink but that would be a pretty major screw job.

    I could be misremembering, but didn't you say something to the effect that VRAM could be shared over PCIE 4.0?

    It's certainly conceivable. Pre Turing/Volta generation Quadro/Tesla series GPUs did support variously effective forms of memory pooling between GPUs solely via the PCI-E bus. NVLink (at least the discrete GPU form of it) was was adopted as an alternative to that because of  the inherent drawbacks of having massive continuous memory transfers going on over your system-wide PCI-E bus.

    With PCI-E 4.0 speeds available that's gonna be less of a concern. Although considering Nvidia is upping the Ampere NVLink to a 3.0 version with twice the bandwidth of Turing's 2.0 (and PCI-E 4.0 is only 2x the speed of 3.0) I wouldn't count on it since the speed disparity is still gonna be the same.

    Myself what I'm most keen to see is if Ampere NVLink will be backwards compatible with Turing NVLink. Since my plan since day 1 has been to NVLink my Titan RTX to whatever the Titan equivalent next-gen card was gonna be. Will be a bummer if the answer is no. Although not the end of the world (24GB per card is still miles beyond what anyone without the upfront funds for multiple 3090s realistically needs.)

  • VisuimagVisuimag Posts: 571
    edited September 2020

    image

    NVLINK Bridge for 30 Series cards. So, it ain't going anywhere and I'm grabbin' two of those 3090s!

     
    Post edited by Visuimag on
  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,068
    Robinson said:

    That was exciting and disappointing in equal measure.  It looks great and the price is great too (no increase on previous gen but way more powerful).  Thing is though, no mention of higher memory variants.  So it looks like I'm going to have to wait for a 16Gb 3070.

    It has been pretty much always the way, with how Nvidia release cards.. There is the initial release of cards to test the waters so to speak, then with how the take up is and what the competition then we usually see the release of different card variants..

  •  

    Also the 3080 they showed didn't seem to have a NVLink connector but they were handling it funny apparently to try to keep the power connector off the camera. They may be regretting pissing off the entire industry with their stupid new power connector.

    Digital Foundry has a nice look at the 12 pin.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=170&v=cWD01yUQdVA&feature=emb_logo

  • RayDAntRayDAnt Posts: 1,147
    edited September 2020
    Robinson said:

    That was exciting and disappointing in equal measure.  It looks great and the price is great too (no increase on previous gen but way more powerful).  Thing is though, no mention of higher memory variants.  So it looks like I'm going to have to wait for a 16Gb 3070.

    For better or worse, they appear to be going with faster memory in smaller quantities. Most likely better for gaming/realtime work. But not necessarily so great for content creation. Hence the jump from just 10 all the way to 24 going from the 3080 to 3090. They're probably counting that if content creation (aka making money with your GPU hardware) is a user's primary use-case, a 3090 is gonna be a more optimal expense anyway. And it's very conceivable that all the direct-to-SSD data loading innovations are gonna make large on-GPU memory buffers less important for gaming. Making the lower 10GB more cost effective for those users.

    With this generation, Nvidia appears to be going with much more specific use-case tailored card models (rather than multiple speed variant models of a single generic design) than ever before. 'Tis interesting.

    Post edited by RayDAnt on
  • RayDAnt said:

    For better or worse, they appear to be going with faster memory in smaller quantities. Most likely better for gaming/realtime work. But not necessarily so great for content creation. Hence the jump from just 10 all the way to 24 gonig from the 3080 to 3090. Chances are, if content creation (aka making money with it) is a user's primary use-case, a 3090 is gonna be worth the price premium. And it's very conceivable that all the direct-to-SSD data loading innovations are gonna make large on-GPU memory buffers less important for gaming. Making the lower 10GB more cost effective.

    Ouch.  It's only worth it if your "content creation" isn't a hobby and you're actually getting paid.  I would certainly do something like that if I had a small business and VAT exemption, etc.  Otherwise 3070 is around the sweet spot.  Not so much I feel it's an OTT purchase that pointlessly wrecks my savings account (3090) and not so bad in performance terms it's pointless to upgrade at all.  I would definitely pay more for a 16Gb variant though as for something like Daz, GPU memory is kind-of important.

  • RayDAntRayDAnt Posts: 1,147
    Robinson said:

    GPU memory is kind-of important.

    Not so much (for non-content creators) if the announced innovations in direct loading from SSD prove successful.

  • MarkHMarkH Posts: 79

    Looks like the Nvidia 3090 will be available Sep 24. Easy decision for me to upgrade from my pascal Titan Xp - no more default to CPU heartache.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 1,923

    So the TI comes later? Wasn't it TI first last time?

  • TheMysteryIsThePointTheMysteryIsThePoint Posts: 3,027
    edited September 2020
    Visuimag said:
    NVLINK Bridge for 30 Series cards. So, it ain't going anywhere and I'm grabbin' two of those 3090s!

    That's my ticket right there, too. I can't even express how happy I'll be to replace 4 2080tis with 2 3090s, have the same or better performance with 48 gigs of VRAM. But I'm certainly not going to do NVidia's QA for them... I'll wait a little while for some reviews, and who knows what will need to happen for it to be properly supported if it's not already.

    Post edited by TheMysteryIsThePoint on
  • AalaAala Posts: 140

    Man, I'm in a dilemma now. I have two 2080 Ti's, but don't think it's possible for me to just switch to two 3090's. There's no room on my PC, and I'm not sure if my 1000w PSU will be able to handle it. I really hope that for Iray, the 3090 is at least 2x faster, because a straight swap would probably make sense, but on the other hand I might have to sell by two 2080 Ti's for just 500 each, or less!

    And then there's the fact that it's on Samsung 8nm, which I'm pretty sure means the series is going to have a refresh next year with either TSMC 7nm, or another smaller node from Samsung, bringing down power consumption by up to 50% for the same performace. What do I do?!?!? Dilemmas... aghhh...

  • edited September 2020

    So with the 3090 at 24GB Vram....

    Is that like... 7 G8Fs + an environment in one go?

    Post edited by pjwhoopie@yandex.com on
Sign In or Register to comment.