Thanks for identifying your characters, Rarestone!
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I know that there have been numerous threads about PA's not including any information with regards to the characters they use in their promos, and I don't want to get into that here because it's been beaten to death...
What I want to do is highlight and encourage Rarestone for putting the information as to who the characters are in their most recent promo! I was literally flipping through the promos thinking "gosh, that model is awesome, too bad I'll never know who it is" and then the last few pages included the names of each of them (even the ones that aren't availble, yet).
I know we're all super quick to point out what we don't like or what we need changed, but Rarestone commented in the last thread about how they would work to make more transparent the models used, and here they followed through and delievered! So... Thank you for listening to our feedback and considering how to implement it!
To all of you PA's who do constantly do this, your efforts are not ignored and I (as well as many others here) are super grateful for that added amount of effort you put into each release!
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Oh, my goodness!!! This has been a pet peeve of mine forever!! More products would be sold if there was more transparency of products used.
Of course, to do that, they would need to only use products from Daz3d...well, that is ok.
Please, PA's don't use products that we cannot purchase in your promos!!!
That is fantastic! And it's usually Rarestone's promos that I'm always wishing I knew what character it was, even if it's not available yet I'd like to know so I can keep it in the back of my mind.
I am curious about objecting to those promos which involve characters that were homemade, or are otherwise not for sale. I honestly don't mind those a bit, really, since it's an incentive to clone-up something similar, and in turn I often come up with something either dead-on, or even better. I say this because part of the fun is to get your hands in there and explore it a bit, to turn-up something that ends up even better than some bit of artwork you saw online...
Some customers just want one-click solutions for everything, including characters. But sometimes it's good to know what character it is, so if you really want something similar, you'd know to wait, look, or make it yourself.
For you, maybe. That would make the life of promo artists way more complicated though, and promo pics often way less interesting.
There's a lot of great content not sold here which does not always have equivalent in the Daz store, and IMO it would really be too bad if promo artists couldn't use them.
I totally agree.
I missed the naming of the characters, so thank you for pointing this out.
I fell in love with the product simply from the joy of the characters exhibited and the presentation of each pose. It lightened my heart.
I do see your point! But in some cases, like in a recent hair promo where an unknown model just had the sweetest, innocent smile- I wanted the smile. And often, you can't dial or morph that natural looking smile up. ( or I can't, anyway)
As someone that rarely asks what was used in a promo I agree.
I had to go look twice to figure out what yall were talking about. Big thank you to Rarestone for adding the characters and can't wait to wee the new ones coming soon! The poses look great!!
I'd rather see the PAs use the figures best fitting their product, even if that figure is from a different shop.
Given that we're not purchasing promo images, but what's included in the description, it would be nice to know that what we're buying works well with the items I know, and not just with custom characters. Seems to me that you see a lot less of these unidentifiable characters at Rendo than here. Vendors there usually use custom heads for their apparel promos, but they normally demo standard, identified bodies, as well as any customs they use.
Can you, someone, anyone, put a link, or at least a title so we know which set you are specifically talking about, please and thank you.
This one: https://www.daz3d.com/all-sweet-poses-4th-youth-collection
If you look at promo pics with the six girls with a flower ring around them the name of the character appears in small text at the bottom right.
If you look at the promo photos for Rarestone's All Sweet Poses 4, they actually indicate in the images what character it is (including a few that are a coming soon).
I would also like to know what other stuff was used in the promo renders. The initial *WOW* effect on a promo render mostly depends on the environment the item is placed in. Just check the gallery. A character, a special pose, a special environment, and the picture immediately scores.
If a character is promoted, I would like to know what clothings was used, in what environment she/he/it is placed. And, I really would like to know the character dimensions. Most PA's stick with the default 5ft9 for a G8 female. Honestly, I only met three (!) real life girls that high. Most are between 5ft1 and 5ft4. Some PA's are a bit more "adventurous", and I appreciate that.
I know that some PA's moved away from Daz because their products would most likely not fit into the family friendly (= no nudity) setting of the Daz store (I still have issues understanding this policy, given that 76% of all humans are above 15 and know how the other gender look like naked, but it is at it is),
It is allowed in the "Gallery" to name other sources, so it should be ok in a PA's product as well.
Some PA's, and esp. DO characters, do not even show the hair used on a character.
Again, just my opinion. But I would really appreaciate to *learn* how the image was created that pulled that "buy me" trigger.
I actually came here specifically to ask about those and hadn't noticed the names in the corner. Thanks for pointing that out.
I have to say, though, I still don't understand why so many content publishers omit the "Additional Products used in Promo Images" section for the store page, especially if they'd be listing their own products. Wouldn't that be easier than this method, for both the creator and the user?
People aren't rational and often work against their own self-interest.
Honestly?
It takes time without any particular evidence that it is something that increases the sales of the vendor listing them.
Purely rationally the only thing that makes financial sense is listing any of ones own products that were used.
I think its a nice thing for vendors to do, but nice is not the same as rational or common sense
(for the record with Bette I put up all the items I used in the commecial thread with some notes because several of the items I used had modifications and I didn't want to list some thinks without noting that I used a custom texture set which meand the results simply aren't fully replicacable. Also wrth noting tracking down everything I used and getting their names took more than an hour)
Ah! Thanks @Havos and @evacyn ! That helped me!
I would like to point out that this is not the first time Rarestone has posted some names of characters used in her promos. Just as an example, the Dforce Kitty Sweater has a promo pic that names Minto and Pei as the models. The interesting part, Minto was not yet released. The Fairy Outfit actually includes the head shape of her promo pic model as a bonus. So it is good to pay attention to Rarestone promos, because sometimes you spot things like that.
But it should be noted that when Rarestone lists the names of promo models, they are her products. She has not posted names of other PA characters in her promos as far as I know. She is clearly cross promoting her products, and I am perfectly fine with that. I think it is a very smart business move. RS is quite good at making compelling and beautiful promo pics, so many of her releases draw a lot of attention simply because of the amazing works she creates for promos. Even if we are not really sure what she is selling, which has happened several times, the pics still create a buzz.
Do you know for a fact that more products would be sold - I would have thought that was merely an opinion.
I'd hate to see PA's have to limit themselves to Daz products only; and what about the people who aren't PA's who do promos there are too many varibles to inforce that.
Yeah, PAs used to go thru the pain of doing that (listing products used), but now fewer and fewer are doing so. The same can be said for art in the gallery.
I see. While some of those characters are straight out of the box, some are modifications (and nobody knows what dials were used) and others are WIP, in other words, not yet released, or maybe they will never be released. None of them make me feel compelled to ask for more info beyond what we know. That's a different storying regarding ....
I'd pay a king's ransom for the Nirv Hair character.
Indeed, all too often.
Just to add my two cents...
When I post pictures to the art gallery I do my best to try and list all the products I use. Specifically because I hope that that might help a sale or two here and there.
I know that some browser add ins will offer links to show gallery images using "product a." This can help getting some alternate views of products.
Agreed.
I'm content to let them use whatever they feel will help drive sales .... it's their perogative.
Nevertheless, knowing what they used would be nice. But just like in the Gallery, people don't always identify the source materials of their art, and promos are also art of sorts (often way cool art). In fact, I have frequently caught myself buying something that had more to do with the way it was presented in the promo, than the intrinsic (to me) value of the product. It gained enormous attractiveness simply due the way it was presented. Sometimes, there is a kind of misdirection going on like in a magic trick, where, buying a product (like a drink, cigarettes, or whatever) is equated with a person gaining freedom, many friends or independence if only it is consumed.
And then, some other PAs may simply not want their art serialized by others' imitations, and others may actually have used some set of morphs, the combination of which they consider proprietary.
These are all, I feel, legitimate concerns that PAs should be able to evauluate and act on as they see fit.
Finally, if PAs at least identify the name of the product, then we could find it, even if it is sold somewhere else, so the issue of where they purchased elements used in their promo is actually secondary.
I'm pretty sure that Daz won't allow the promotion of items sold at other stores, and that's their right. That part's not on the PAs.
If PAs use proprietary models, that's fine, too. It would be nice if that fact was mentioned, though, so as not to waste customers' time if we try to puzzle it out.
Most important, however, is that PAs provide as much information as possible about the product on offer, with clay renders as a minimum, and material zones when relevant.
That goes unsaid.
Also my feeling
The clay renders being, of course, the most important ; )
I appreciate it when a PA takes the time to list products used, or an artists lists the products that went into a render in the gallery, or posted in the forums. I understand the limitation of not advertising another store's products, but when questions arrise, and folks point you to the source, that is helpful.
Why, because I found Daz Studio midway through Genesis 3, a year before Genesis 8. So there are years of products I never saw when they were released and they are still lovely and useful. Seeing how others use a product I might have passed over on first look, also makes me rethink my first impression.
And after posting in Novica's thread myself, and listing the items I have used, I know the time it took me to pull up each item and then to list it, link it, and make a comment or two about it. It takes work and time.
Everytime someone does a link to a product, they are helping others to learn about that item, good, bad, or how it might be modified for modern usage.
Thank you.
I know this is probably not the place to mention this, but can I also shout out to Rarestone, because this promo image (set) is still one of my all time favorite in the shop. Just a matter of personal taste, but it stil 'wows' me.