Lots of "PS" and "Legacy" showing up in DIM
3Diva
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Every time I launch DIM lately I see a crop of "new" items to download labelled with "PS" and "Legacy", despite not having purchased anything new. These all look like products I've previously purchased and downloaded, but they are showing up in DIM again. Is anyone else getting this as well?
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Those PS files are Poser installers AFAIK. Maybe with buying older stuff you've flooded DIM with those a bit. I myself usually hide them. If you do so as well maybe look if you checked "Display hidden" in the "Ready to download" tab by accident? - Could also be that DAZ added them to DIM recently.
A little while ago a bunch of PS and Legacy items were mistakenly tagged as "Connect Available", even though they shouldn't be, and consequently showed up in DIM. Unfortunately, there are some products which aren't tagged for "DS4.5+", so if you don't have the "Connect Available" download filter ticked they don't show up.
Very strange. I don't have show Display Hidden unchecked, so that's not it. I do have "Connect Available" checked in the Downloads tab. Perhaps that wasn't checked before? IDK, as far as I recall I didn't change any of those settings.
Every time I launch DIM lately there's a new and LARGE batch of "Legacy" and "PS" stuff to download. I'm wondering if, as Rod said, perhaps DAZ is adding them. Perhaps the older content is getting "repackaged" and split up into two installs - the "Legacy" stuff I don't recall seeing that label much before, but I could be wrong.
I'm pretty sure they've just been re-tagged incorrectly. I download the older versions of products and install them in separate content folders, so only a couple showed up for me. Hover your mouse over one of them and see if it shows the active tag as "Connect Available".
Oh that could be it - I just checked and the "Legacy" stuff I just downloaded have the tag of "Connect Available".
Since DIM is closely tied to the Store software, I imagine the ongoing Store software mods may have something to do with these old files showing up (just a guess on my part).
And, by the way, these Store changes can sever your ties to DIM, if you're unlucky, like me - and Tech Support has no current fix.
I went to download a new order/purchase via DIM and found 124 "Legacy" items, all of which I already have, so I assumed they were modifications to existing files, but as each one downloaded it added to the total file count in DIM, which is a baffler. However, 33 of them have failed to download. This is extremely irksome as when making another purchase I have to scroll through the alphabet to tick each new purchased product so the Legacies don't slow down the download by trying to download and then failing.
Stop Press! Just as I've written the above 1 of the 33 has somehow downloaded despite there being no yellow download bars active, my total number of products has increased by 1 and there are now 32 left to download.
Stop Press #2! I exited DIM then renetered it and tried 3 Legacy items from the middle of the list and they all downloaded successfully. I now have 29 left and my product count has increased by 3. How can the product count increase when there's no new product there? (ie: they're all products I already have and when I check 'My Daz 3D Library' and 'Products' there's nothing new in either).
Fed up of editing the above, but I again exited and re-entered DIM, tried 3 more related files/products and this time 1 downloaded but the other 2 failed. That's it for today! I'm off to bed!
The count in DIM is the number of packages, so each of those products has 2 packages, the "DS" package for (DS4.5+) and the "Legacy" package (for earlier versions of DS).
I've had a ticket open for this for a month now, I assumed it would be a quick fix... I've turned off Connect Available until they fix it, because otherwise I have 365 PS and Legacy items sitting to download :-( They are all already installed with DS packages.
This is the 2nd or 3rd batch is such 'legacy' items I've gotten in the past month. I'm guessing it's mostly overwriting the data for those already installed legacy programs. It's also upping the number of installed products although I really haven't added anything new.
I keep the sort order in DIM to the most recent Order Date so that my newest buys are always at the top of the list.
They're not already installed, the current DS version is installed. DIM shows the number of installed packages, not the number of installed products.
So, if I understand correctly, ...
and -- depending on which applications you use -- you could potentially get away with downloading and installing just one of these (or two, if you use two applications, or more, if you use some large combination of different apps). Is that about right?
What about PoserCF and StudioCF files -- where do they fit into this increasingly complicated picture?
PoserCF and StudioCF (Companion Files) means they are needed for that application but need the files from the other application to work. So a StudioCF will have DS files (usually material presets) that need to be applied to the Poser files. So if you use DS you need to install both the PS version and the StudioCF. Similarly, PoserCF's have the files needed to load DS files in Poser, so if you use Poser you need to install both the DS version and the PoserCF.
Ohhh I didn't know this! I've been "hiding" all things "PS" but you're saying that if something is labelled "StudioCF" I also need to install the "PS" package as well?
Correct
Hello, Glad, I found this post. for the last few days, I have been having the same problem with a couple of hundred products. Following the advice, I unselected Connect Available. I will see what happens.
I only use Daz Studio. No longer a Pose user for a few years. I do believe that I have a peculiar system for the installation of products. I use a TEMP directory for the installation of content with DIM and then I manually move and reorganize all the files to my own classifications on My Library. Props that are architectural go into Architecture into Furniture or Kitchen, etc.. Actually my props folder is empty. Poses for vehicles go into the Vehicle folder. Inside architecture, I have Scifi, Exteriors, Nature, HDR, Medical, Rural, Classic, etc.etc.etc. So I suddenly was scratching my head when all these .dsa files appear and I already had the .DUF installed. Since I do overwrite folders that no one shouldn't touch like DATA. I hope I did not replace newer files with older ones before I cached up with the situation. Time will tell.
Thanks for the info.
keep on Dazzing
Oh no, now I'm going to have to go into DIM and search for all "StudioCF", screenshot the list, then track down all the PS versions and install those. That so doesn't sound like a fun time. lol I'll know now though, that in the future if I see "StudioCF" I need to install it's "PS" counterpart.
Thank you for letting me know, Mike. :)
For me, the appearance of these Legacy-version releases coïncided with an attempt to clean up my library and remove double installs, where I had both a Daz and a Poser version installed of a product. It can be quite.. confusing. Especially when you run into something like "Westpark Legacy Legacy". (There's ALSO a Westpark Legacy Ps and a Westpark Legacy DS, to clear up what happened there)
@Fixmypcmike, thank you for this information. An old file that I bought in the summer PC+ sale would not work, the geometries were not there, and Customer Service and I had been working on this. I did what you said and it now works. Of course, I now have over 1100 products in Lost and Found to categorize into my personal category of 'Poser Files' when I have good Daz files to use. I am 200 down at this point.
But I have also found some other things that failed to download, like 3 files for a new product out of the 7 that made up her files. So caught them too. This is a good exercise.
Mary
the product lib used to label the legacy files. now it is pot luck.
haunted house shows 2 daz files. one is 40mb the other is 8mb
no file says carrara or ca. yet i know for a fact haunted house works in carrara
Look more closely at the Product Library page. Under the huge bold black "Daz Studio" label is a tiny light grey label showing the actual download name. Also, when you hover the mouse over the green manual download button, the full file name shows at the bottom of your browser window. If there are multiple downloads (e.g. for Poser files) that ought to be reflected in the name.
It's a ridiculously stupid way of redesigning the Product Library page, but someone at DAZ apparently fondly imagines it to be a Good Idea™. Oh my aching head...
I'm totally confused.
1) Do we need to install these legacy files or not? Or only if we're using old versions of Daz?
When we have a CF file, we have to install the PS file to be able to use the product in Daz?
You don't need to install the Legacy packages unless you're using version older than DS4.5
If it's a StudioCF, yes.
Thanks so much for the answers! :)
I think basically if there's no file labelled DS to download but a number of files labelled Ps and Legacy instead, then install Ps and whatever StudioCF file goes along with it. If there's a DS file, then you won't be needing those. So just watch out for the DS files, and if you can't see any, use the other ones. That's the method I found easiest at least, after some confusion.
After I'm done installing one batch of products, I hide all the files I didn't need so they don't clutter up the DIM surface. That usually works pretty well.
I've already downloaded and installed these old Poser and StudioCF files. Doing so again will be redundant. I just turned off the Connect filter
This has been giving me no end of grief this evening. I bought A Stage for Dionysus from PFAD because, while quite old, I feel like it'll be good for providing the sort of setting I want. This is what the page in my Product Library shows as the components:
According to this thread, if I have a StudioCF file its companion should be designated as a Poser file, which this product does not have. The "Daz Studio" installer contents use the Poser library setup, and there is absolutely no metadata. Because it's splattered all over a Poser formatted runtime, I also can't figure out any way to make a cohesive product out of it. The StudioCF file likewise has no metadata, no support files are generated when installing through DIM (not even a thumbnail), and all of the files end up in Lost and Found because of it.
I guess I'm wondering, should "(Daz Studio) A Stage for Dionysus" IN ACTUAL FACT be labeled by DAZ as "(Poser) A Stage for Dionysus," and have I just been trying to find a component that should exist (A Stage for Dionysus Ps), but doesn't? Because what I've got sure as hell doesn't use the Studio file structure, and is inaccessible outside of digging deep into multiple folders inside the Poser format section of the Content Library (since it doesn't install as a product and I can't figure out how to make it one because, again, splattered throughout the Library folders).
And, is there any way to make a product out of this thing so that I can actually find all of its component parts in one place? It's old enough that it doesn't even have a file list.
I'm now dreading dealing with a bunch of old content that I've bought and if there's not an easy fix I may just return it all. I can already see that I'm going to run into the same problem with Predatron's City Streets product.
"According to this thread, if I have a StudioCF file its companion should be designated as a Poser file, which this product does not have."
Not exactly. Basically, if you only use DAZ Studio:
When you see PoserCF you can ignore it and just download the "main" file.
When you see StudioCF, you need to also download the main file.
It gets more confusing, because sometimes you WILL see both "PS" and "DS" files with no CF designation. This usually means you can just download the DS file, as each installer should be stand alone.
It's all confusing because the store and software has changed so much over the years. At one point nothing in the store was designed for DS specifically, DS tried to imitate the Poser settings as closely as possible. As they moved over to supporting Studio natively, they went through different ways of doing that, from just adding companion files (sometimes this meant using a Poser runtime to load the figures, props, etc., and then loading a studio format materials file), to separate installers for each.