Figure resembling Jesus?

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,672
    edited November 2020

    white-western look: https://www.daz3d.com/yussef-hair-beard-and-eyebrows-for-genesis-8-males for the hair. Any G8M. Adjust facial features. 

    For realism: 

    Middle-aged male figure, apply mid-tone skin from any G8M use morphs to get a realistic look. Hair beard to taste. 

    Looks pretty white & western to my eyes. That image is as much of a guess as anybody else's too that didn't personally know the man.

    LOL. Not really.

    This image was taken from a forensic reconstruction of a Galilean man from this time period. In 2001 forensic anthropologist Richard Neave created a model of a Galilean man for a BBC documentary, Son of God, working on the basis of an actual skull found in the region. He did not claim it was Jesus's face. It was simply meant to prompt people to consider Jesus as being a man of his time and place, since we are never told what he looked like.

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  • I think "my interpretation of Jesus" is almost always cool (whatever that means for each and every one of us). Make the Jesus that inspires you. That's a good thing, I think.

    It's the images that purport to be the "truth" about Jesus that make me nervous.

    (I always prefer the crucifix with an interpretive/abstract corpus, and not a High Renaissance kind of realistic corpus... but that's my idea, and not anyone else's. I grew up with comic books that were drawings, not movies with human actors and real CGI cinematography... LOL. Today, everything can be seen as a "real" image. We used to write letters, and now we have Facetime. We broadcast ourselves in Zoom meetings with a fake background. It's a strange time of transition, I think.)

     

  • vonHobovonHobo Posts: 1,700
    edited June 2022

    I know this thread is old, but I finally remembered that I never posted the painting I did from the Yusseff hair and beard reference... it turned out pretty good. 

    I added the crown of thorns myself.

    thanks for all the help

     

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  • csaacsaa Posts: 824
    edited June 2022

    von Hobo,

    People have likely asked the same questions as you have. Perhaps, findng the answer unsatisfying, they went on to depict Jesus in ways that meant the most in their own (historical and cultural) terms.

    Cheers!

    von Hobo said:

    I totally agree with you. 

    But I am basing this painting on an image of Jesus that my nephew really loves. So I'm going to try and match the look of that image. 

    I guess we will never really know what Jesus looked like. Too bad no one made a portrait of him when he lived. Although I guess people were not painting back then? And no drawings survive? Just writing on tablets. Are most images of Jesus based on the Shroud of Turin?

    Shroud of Turin - Wikipedia

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  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,672
    edited June 2022

    My friend Phoenix1966 made a nice looking character, I tend to use when making Jesus. https://www.daz3d.com/phx-nasiri-hd-and-necklace-for-genesis-8-male

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  • vonHobovonHobo Posts: 1,700

    Serene Night said:

    My friend Phoenix1966 made a nice looking character, I tend to use when making Jesus. https://www.daz3d.com/phx-nasiri-hd-and-necklace-for-genesis-8-male

    Yes, that would make a great Jesus! 

  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633

    I really liked this depiction in the movie "Risen" , awesome movie with Joseph Fiennes, as a kind of detective noir of "where is the body?"

     

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 2,033

    von Hobo said:

    People in a region 2000 years ago are not necessarily the same as the people in a region today.

    It's Canaanite, Philistinian, Phoenician, Israelite. Pieces of Hellenistic, Babylonian, etc.  Arabs? Modern Jews? Didn't exist, although maybe you can pick more conservative Jewish sects for "pure" bloodline (whatever that means).

    You can interpret who Jesus was (or may have been, whatever you believe) using ArtBreeder and modern photographs, but that is not necessarily going to tell you what was in the place 2000 years ago. Do we know what a Canaanite is anymore? Selecting 10 photos of modern Jews and Arabs in the region of Bethlehem (for the AI/GAN) isn't any more truth-y than White Jeebus, IMO.

    Pick the image that inspires you, in any case.

     

    I totally agree with you. 

    But I am basing this painting on an image of Jesus that my nephew really loves. So I'm going to try and match the look of that image. 

    I guess we will never really know what Jesus looked like. Too bad no one made a portrait of him when he lived. Although I guess people were not painting back then? And no drawings survive? Just writing on tablets. Are most images of Jesus based on the Shroud of Turin?

    Shroud of Turin - Wikipedia

     

    This is not Jesus. Anybody working with texture mapping, like we do understands, that a face printed into a fabric would be distorted, like we know it from texture maps.
    There is an even more exciting, but unconfirmed idea about this turin cloth.
    That idea says that it has been done by Leonardo da vinci, experimenting with some chemicals on thsi cloth. With a small tower window he explored light on this surface. 
    To make a long story short, this could be the oldest photography existing, showing nobody else, than Leonardo Da Vinci in person.

  • PaintboxPaintbox Posts: 1,633

    Interesting story Masterstroke!

    There was painting in the Roman era (and earlier Greek area) but a lot of it has not survived, being mostly made of wood. Paintings on stone could survive, such as the plaster works in Pompeii.

    I believe this is one of the oldest depictions : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depiction_of_Jesus#/media/File:Good_shepherd_02b_close.jpg from the 3rd century or this one from Syria : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depiction_of_Jesus#/media/File:Christ_Healing_the_Paralytic_-_Dura-Europos_circa_232.jpg

    The early images often are beardless, as that was the common fashion in those days, and it was more allegorical than historical as a depiction.

     

     

     

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,437

    I didn't want to make a comment until the shaved portion came up.

    Leviticus, You shall not round the corners of your head, neither shall you mar the corners of your beard (19:27).

    They shall not make baldness upon their head, neither shall they shave off the corners of their beard, nor make any cuttings in their flesh (21:5)

    Ezekiel 44:20 Neither shall [the priests] shave their heads, nor suffer their locks to grow long; they shall only poll their heads.

    Shaving or shaping facial hair was a pagan practice. Since Jesus was a Jew and followed Jewish laws it's most likely he had a beard.

  • MKDAWUSSMKDAWUSS Posts: 94

    On occasion I've given thought to it (primary for Catholic-related renders), but then realized how complex Christ (as a render figure would be). The physical look would need to be just right (see previous entries in this thread for all the various depictions), and then you'd need accessories depending on your depiction (standard clothing, the Crown of Thorns, transfigured clothing, Imperial crown [or some other kingly crown for the King of Kings]...), and then if you're doing an icon (statues, pendants, etc.) you'd need to get the textures and shaders just right (which may get complicated for some hairs).

     

    And over here is Mary...

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,672

    One can deduce that Jesus was typical of his time and place since Judas had to point him out to the guards to make an arrest. If he was unusual or striking in appearance so as to stand out in a crowd, this would not have been really necessary.

    Carpentry was also somewhat physically demanding, so he likely would be accustomed to physical labor and his appearance would reflect that. 

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,293

    Depeche Mode pre-empted such arguments with their song "Your Own Personal Jesus". So yeah, whatever you like, Jesus don't care what you think he looks like.

    I kind of liked Johnny Cash playing a modern day Jesus in the Hurt music video of an earlier Trent Reznor song. Johnny's mother makes a very motherly Virgin Mary appearance as a bust portrait on the wall as his wife June looks on worriedly. 

  • RedfernRedfern Posts: 1,617

    Serene Night said:

    One can deduce that Jesus was typical of his time and place since Judas had to point him out to the guards to make an arrest. If he was unusual or striking in appearance so as to stand out in a crowd, this would not have been really necessary.

    Makes me think that some cartoonist somewhere has doodled that scene, but Jesus has a very obvious halo glowing like a beacon.  The Roman soldiers ask Judas to point him out and he just has this incredulous expression as if to say, "Really?!"

  • alamo4alamo4 Posts: 48
    edited June 2022

    There is another explicit crucifixion model at Renderosity, but this one is for Genesis 8 male.

    INRI by Christophe3D.

     

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  • alamo4alamo4 Posts: 48

    @Meshitup has a lot of good content for setting things in Biblical times, including a great outfitt for Mary:

    dForce Middle Eastern Outfit for Genesis 8 Female(s) | Daz 3D

    The Ark of the Covenant with G3M attendants:

    Warrior Monk for Genesis 3 Male(s) | Daz 3D

    There is certainly plenty of Roman stuff at Daz, and at Rendo Christophe3D has some nice recent Roman content, but Deacon215 has some really outstanding clothing from the ancient world, including Rome, a lot of which would fit in with an Biblical setting, as you might imagine in a city like Jerusalem for example.

     

    Leana said:

    The clothing though I used a 3rd party utility which is no longer available. I suggest one of these from the DAZ Store:

    https://www.daz3d.com/shepherd-for-m3 (You'll have to learn how to get it to fit to later generations)

    https://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-bundle-for-v4-and-m4

    or this is made for Genesis 8 Male

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-moroccan-blue-man-outfit-for-genesis-8-males (just change the shaders and such)

    These might work too: https://www.daz3d.com/desert-robes-for-genesis-8-male-s

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  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,437

    alamo4 said:

    There is another explicit crucifixion model at Renderosity, but this one is for Genesis 8 male.

    INRI by Christophe3D.

    That's is a good one, except I think it's historically inaccurate.

  • Catherine3678abCatherine3678ab Posts: 8,387

    Masterstroke said:

    von Hobo said:

    People in a region 2000 years ago are not necessarily the same as the people in a region today.

    It's Canaanite, Philistinian, Phoenician, Israelite. Pieces of Hellenistic, Babylonian, etc.  Arabs? Modern Jews? Didn't exist, although maybe you can pick more conservative Jewish sects for "pure" bloodline (whatever that means).

    You can interpret who Jesus was (or may have been, whatever you believe) using ArtBreeder and modern photographs, but that is not necessarily going to tell you what was in the place 2000 years ago. Do we know what a Canaanite is anymore? Selecting 10 photos of modern Jews and Arabs in the region of Bethlehem (for the AI/GAN) isn't any more truth-y than White Jeebus, IMO.

    Pick the image that inspires you, in any case.

     

    I totally agree with you. 

    But I am basing this painting on an image of Jesus that my nephew really loves. So I'm going to try and match the look of that image. 

    I guess we will never really know what Jesus looked like. Too bad no one made a portrait of him when he lived. Although I guess people were not painting back then? And no drawings survive? Just writing on tablets. Are most images of Jesus based on the Shroud of Turin?

    Shroud of Turin - Wikipedia

     

    This is not Jesus. Anybody working with texture mapping, like we do understands, that a face printed into a fabric would be distorted, like we know it from texture maps.
    There is an even more exciting, but unconfirmed idea about this turin cloth.
    That idea says that it has been done by Leonardo da vinci, experimenting with some chemicals on thsi cloth. With a small tower window he explored light on this surface. 
    To make a long story short, this could be the oldest photography existing, showing nobody else, than Leonardo Da Vinci in person.

    Actually there's a very good read available, think the book is called The Second Messiah. Provides its evidence as to who this was even. Was not Jesus. Was another man made to suffer similarly, etc. And that's about it what can be said in here ;-)

    ...........................

    Jesus would have started off with a beard because the Romans plucked it out during their procedures before crucifying Him. I rather doubt that they would have done a neat job of it.

  • RedfernRedfern Posts: 1,617

    alamo4 said:

    @Meshitup has a lot of good content for setting things in Biblical times, including a great outfitt for Mary:

    dForce Middle Eastern Outfit for Genesis 8 Female(s) | Daz 3D

    The Ark of the Covenant with G3M attendants:

    Warrior Monk for Genesis 3 Male(s) | Daz 3D

    There is certainly plenty of Roman stuff at Daz, and at Rendo Christophe3D has some nice recent Roman content, but Deacon215 has some really outstanding clothing from the ancient world, including Rome, a lot of which would fit in with an Biblical setting, as you might imagine in a city like Jerusalem for example.

     

    Leana said:

    The clothing though I used a 3rd party utility which is no longer available. I suggest one of these from the DAZ Store:

    https://www.daz3d.com/shepherd-for-m3 (You'll have to learn how to get it to fit to later generations)

    https://www.daz3d.com/angelic-dynamic-bundle-for-v4-and-m4

    or this is made for Genesis 8 Male

    https://www.daz3d.com/dforce-moroccan-blue-man-outfit-for-genesis-8-males (just change the shaders and such)

    These might work too: https://www.daz3d.com/desert-robes-for-genesis-8-male-s

    If you're on a budget and need only the Ark itself ("It belongs in a museum!"  "Hush, Indy!"), then BionicRooster offers a .OBJ freebie...

    https://www.renderosity.com/freestuff/items/64281/arc-of-the-covenant-version-2

  • AgitatedRiotAgitatedRiot Posts: 4,437

    Catherine3678ab said:

    Masterstroke said:

    von Hobo said:

    People in a region 2000 years ago are not necessarily the same as the people in a region today.

    It's Canaanite, Philistinian, Phoenician, Israelite. Pieces of Hellenistic, Babylonian, etc.  Arabs? Modern Jews? Didn't exist, although maybe you can pick more conservative Jewish sects for "pure" bloodline (whatever that means).

    You can interpret who Jesus was (or may have been, whatever you believe) using ArtBreeder and modern photographs, but that is not necessarily going to tell you what was in the place 2000 years ago. Do we know what a Canaanite is anymore? Selecting 10 photos of modern Jews and Arabs in the region of Bethlehem (for the AI/GAN) isn't any more truth-y than White Jeebus, IMO.

    Pick the image that inspires you, in any case.

     

    I totally agree with you. 

    But I am basing this painting on an image of Jesus that my nephew really loves. So I'm going to try and match the look of that image. 

    I guess we will never really know what Jesus looked like. Too bad no one made a portrait of him when he lived. Although I guess people were not painting back then? And no drawings survive? Just writing on tablets. Are most images of Jesus based on the Shroud of Turin?

    Shroud of Turin - Wikipedia

     

    This is not Jesus. Anybody working with texture mapping, like we do understands, that a face printed into a fabric would be distorted, like we know it from texture maps.
    There is an even more exciting, but unconfirmed idea about this turin cloth.
    That idea says that it has been done by Leonardo da vinci, experimenting with some chemicals on thsi cloth. With a small tower window he explored light on this surface. 
    To make a long story short, this could be the oldest photography existing, showing nobody else, than Leonardo Da Vinci in person.

    Actually there's a very good read available, think the book is called The Second Messiah. Provides its evidence as to who this was even. Was not Jesus. Was another man made to suffer similarly, etc. And that's about it what can be said in here ;-)

    ...........................

    Jesus would have started off with a beard because the Romans plucked it out during their procedures before crucifying Him. I rather doubt that they would have done a neat job of it.

    A lot of stories about the Shroud of Turin. Jesus was in Roman custody they beat him twice, with  Iron rods and a cat of nine tails, (Isaiah 52:14Beyond Human Recognition, before he was put on the cross. So a mutilated body couldn't be wrong either. ( sorry if this offends)

    Don't get me wrong I just believe it there is Good and Evil in the world. A lot of people live and play in the grey. Including myself.

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,487
    edited June 2022

    Paintbox said:

    I really liked this depiction in the movie "Risen" , awesome movie with Joseph Fiennes, as a kind of detective noir of "where is the body?"

    This actor looks a lot like how I imagine Jesus. 

    In my imagination, Jesus was not a lanky, pale, blond angel with well-coiffured hair and spotless robes, as he is often depicted in kitschy pictures.

    The man was a carpenter, and he probably practiced this profession since his early teenage years. I therefore imagine him to be rather muscular. That he always had shampoo, comb and brush at hand during his wanderings through the country and regularly had the opportunity to wash his clothes, I also think is unlikely. Presumably, the historical Jesus was more rustic than ethereal - which says nothing about the quality of his teaching.

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  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 2,033

    Agita

    A lot of stories about the Shroud of Turin. Jesus was in Roman custody they beat him twice, with  Iron rods and a cat of nine tails, (Isaiah 52:14Beyond Human Recognition, before he was put on the cross. So a mutilated body couldn't be wrong either. ( sorry if this offends)

    Don't get me wrong I just believe it there is Good and Evil in the world. A lot of people live and play in the grey. Including myself.

    Whose shroud it ever was,  the face we believe to see here, is not from a body. 
    Easy test: Paint your face and put it onto a towel and you can tell the difference.
    As I said, since we are dealing here with texture maps on a daily basis, we know, what a wrapped around face would look like.
    So, it might be painted, projected or 2d printed, but is has not been taken from a threedimensional body.

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