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GafftheHorse

kyoto kid said:

...however the ending of support for older GPUs relates to the Iray render engine, not general GPU use.  I could still use my old Fermi GTX 460 to run my displays and even for games (provided I had driver version 391.35 installed), but for Iray purposes, Fermi support was dropped a year or so ago.  

As to the CPU I thought it has to natively support both the server and VM as well. While I read that some were able to get a Ryzen CPU to work with W7 it involves a bit of messing around. 

I'm not really an expert on VMs - I found the VM solution to getting Studio and other windows programs to run a pain in getting resources in and out of the VM (last time i played about with them a little was in late 2016 when I was investigating XNALARA and MMD as well as Studio, the prior two refusing to run on wine well.

As far as I'm aware, using a modern CPU to run an older OS that predates the hardware is not an issue with VMs. A few searches reveals no articles on it the only results pertain to installing on bare metal - also a lot of apple M1 results.

 

With W11 looming ahead, at least this old timer is seriously looking for alternatives. Didn't jump on W10 train as I didn't like where it was headed and W11 is going even further off my path.

DAZ Studio is the last Windows program that I use, all the others can be found on Linux already.

Wouldn't mind if DAZ said, "This is the one and only version of Linux DS will work on"

Since the 'Daz Studio and Linux' thread went quiet, I've lost contact with the few other Daz users using wine and linux, there is only one other I still know of who's still definitley using Studio on Linux (Debian stable I believe), but she's now using the bridge or some other plugin to do her renders in Blender as she's on a modest laptop without the wallop needed for iray. As far as I know she's not having issues. I am just now though, but that might be an incompatibility between the new Nvidia driver and my mobo coupled with recent instabilities with wine 6 - several versions of wine 5 were problems for me, lots of multithreading issues early on and I had to role back on every even(or odd, can't rightly recall) numbered version after 5.11. Things move fast and frequently break on Archlinux, you often have to wait for a future update to fix.

If you are going to switch to linux, I recommend something on a Debian base, Ubuntu, Pop-Os or Mint, one of the Long term support releases, they're less changeable.

kyoto kid

...but doesn't the i9 only support W10, or are you running a W7 VM on Linux?

As to support for W11 it would cost me around 1,800$ for the upgrade to meet it's CPU requirement (still on a Nehalem generation Xeon x5660 and DDR3 memory).  Yeah it's more than I really can afford, but dumping money into a "stopgap" solution when on a tight budget is not very cost effective (if I have to spend money to upgrade to newer tech, may as well make it a real "upgrade").  That price includes the oldest Threadripper that W11 supports (12 core 2920x as I also work in Carrara) a workstation motherboard with 8 DIMM slots and 64 GB DDR4 2666 memory (eventually looking to expand to 128 in the future), but doesn't include the GPU.  Right now I am eyeng a 16 GB, 6144 core RTX A4000 which is about the most cost effective RTX GPU given the markup in prices for the consumer RTX series (12 GB 3060's are going for upwards of 3 times the MSRP or more, while I am finding A4000s averaging 150$ to 300$ above their MSRP of 1,000$). 

The chopice of a Threadripper is basd o nthe fact it supports four memory channels while Ryzen and many of the new Intel "i" series (and even some Xeon) CPUs only support dual channel memory which seems a step backwards (my old system supports three memory channels and it does make a difference).  A Cascade Lake 8 core W-2245 (Workstation CPU) is also a possibility but it is about same price as the 2920x though also supports 4 memory channels and up to 1 TB RAM.

GafftheHorse

kyoto kid said:

...but doesn't the i9 only support W10, or are you running a W7 VM on Linux?

As to support for W11 it would cost me around 1,800$ for the upgrade to meet it's CPU requirement (still on a Nehalem generation Xeon x5660 and DDR3 memory).  Yeah it's more than I really can afford, but dumping money into a "stopgap" solution when on a tight budget is not very cost effective (if I have to spend money to upgrade to newer tech, may as well make it a real "upgrade").  That price includes the oldest Threadripper that W11 supports (12 core 2920x as I also work in Carrara) a workstation motherboard with 8 DIMM slots and 64 GB DDR4 2666 memory (eventually looking to expand to 128 in the future), but doesn't include the GPU.  Right now I am eyeng a 16 GB, 6144 core RTX A4000 which is about the most cost effective RTX GPU given the markup in prices for the consumer RTX series (12 GB 3060's are going for upwards of 3 times the MSRP or more, while I am finding A4000s averaging 150$ to 300$ above their MSRP of 1,000$). 

The chopice of a Threadripper is basd o nthe fact it supports four memory channels while Ryzen and many of the new Intel "i" series (and even some Xeon) CPUs only support dual channel memory which seems a step backwards (my old system supports three memory channels and it does make a difference).  A Cascade Lake 8 core W-2245 (Workstation CPU) is also a possibility but it is about same price as the 2920x though also supports 4 memory channels and up to 1 TB RAM.

There's a global chip shortage right now, prices are inflated.

Oh, yeah, if you are a regular Carrara user, in my experience it doesn't work at all well on Wine (I picked both up for something like a $5 or so, luckily) - it loads but crashes as soon as you try to use it (Bryce ui falls apart like a book with a broken spine) I managed to render a simple image with one or the other once, but the process was unpleasant.

kyoto kid

...part is also due to the resurgence of cryptomining as well.  Not Bitcoin but other ones like Dogecoin.(which started as a joke). .PayPal is even pushing crypto now. 

As to Carrara, that's why the VM approach sounds like a better Idea.  Would love to have those 24 threads on that as it would make rather quick work of rendering. and be cool to see 24 coloured tiles moving across the screen.  It would also be the best of both worlds as I could still render in Iray (or LuxCore once that plugin is ready) on the GPU and Carrara on the CPU. without having to deal with that peice of refuse known as W10 and still have a secure system.