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I'm talking about render times that go from hours down to minutes.
I don't reasonably believe I could have optimised those scenes any further without compromising them.
I've done rapid fire "Here's a single character posing in front of an HDRi" renders. Sometimes it's fun, but I've played that game for years, and I'm sick to the back teeth of it being all I can do without requiring extremely long and slow renders. I have some scene ideas that do need to be indoors, or have a developed background, or require multiple characters, and I want to be able to finally do them.
I always ask that question when folks start talking about ZOMG SUPER FAST RENDER! speeds. Consequently, almost always the answer ends up being sizes of like 1,000px or less and a single character with simple clothing and background. And SubD 1 of course. That's their apple. My orange is one or two characters at SubD 4 with complex hair and dForce clothing with a full background, bloom, and some volumetrics with the lighting. You can't compare the two. I have a 1080TI and I used to render at 5,000px on the smaller side. My renders would take maybe six or seven hours with the occasional ten hours, which was fine because I would let them go overnight. Once I started doing promos, I wanted to be a bit quicker, so I dropped the size down to 2,500px. Now I can render during dinner with some tv afterwards. So maybe two to three hours, or even less if the promo is for a character who uses SubD 1. My promo scenes are also (generally) a bit less complex than my personal pieces or commissions.
Don't let anybody's 'render speed bragging' convince you that you're somehow not doing something right if your renders take time.
...I remember waiting days for Reality/Lux.
At least with Reality/Lux you could completely shut down the program and resume a render any time you wanted. That was such a wonderful feature that I miss greatly.
Thank you. :)
Several years ago I benchmarked an interior nightime scene with lots of floor-to-ceiling windows at 2K using my Core i7-4770K with Reality. I let it render for 800 hours before I was satisfied with the final image and my curiosity was sated. I don't mind waiting a few hours for my 1080 Ti's to render a 4K image with Iray. ;)
...that is true, but it made watching paint dry seem like an over the top action thriller.
I bought my 3090 at 100% MSRP from best buy via HotStock, if you're in the u.s./UK that's your best bet as they have been dropping at least twice-per-month, I got mine on Jan 5th, and Jan 22 the second one dropped, this month the first one dropped on the 9th and the second the 25th, so they're out there, also, do NOT buy a GPU, or any electronic product via newegg/amazon's marketplace as newegg's MP sellers has been known for committing fraud, and both newegg and amazon's MP sellers are little more than scalpers...
IF you're gonna buy from them, buy first party, and not from the MP sellers!
Also of note, there have been frequent instances of people getting their accounts closed by newegg, (Apparently newegg thinks they were bots) even when and after they purchased from them, forcing a chargeback with their bank/credit card, plus newegg has gone downhill ever since they were bought out by another company!
That's the problem there isn't any moderation of their MP sellers, just go to newegg's subreddit and you'll see the scores of horror stories about what a crap company newegg has turned into!
Thank you for bringing this subreddit to my attention.I had no idea that newegg had been sold, or that it's gotten so bad.I'm going to consider myself lucky and just stop shopping there before I have something like that happen to me.I just spent 2 hours reading posts of people that have bought expensive laptops and other things only to have their accounts closed and bank cards charged.Several didn't get any reply at all from newegg CS until they posted to the reddit page.Plenty of other suppliers to shop at.I'll find a new one.
Sounds like I can drop Newegg - its a pain to buy from them anyway. My CC provider has a stop on any charges from California or Texas due to continuous fraud. I have to be on the phone with the CC security group when I make a purchase there.
At this point, I don't know how/when/where I will get a card. I signed up for notifications from EVGA's website, but I know that's pretty much a lost cause. I don't have time to sit there and hit the refresh button all day on this stuff in hopes of being able to get one. It's ridiculously frustrating seeing out of stock across the board. Like what are people supposed to do if their current card craps out? Just replace it with something old? Can't even do that. Even my 3-year old 1080TI FTW3 is out of stock and twice the price I paid for it in 2017. Seriously. W. T. F.
If my GPU's die, I'm going to do something I haven't done since 2007: Buy a custom prebuild. My last one was an Alienware. I've been window shopping on OriginPC and Falcon NW.
I know you can get new cards with going to off-the-shelf places or pre-builds like CyberPowerPC. I've done three systems through them before graduating to buying components myself and assembling them. The issue I have with going through CyberPower is that you're limited to the components they have (i.e. I couldn't configure a system with a Corsair case, Corsair cooler, and Corsair RAM...I had to pick from the brands they had available in the configurator). Also, the 3090 card they had available was the base board and I'd want to get one of the ones with an upgraded fan set, etc such as the FTW3. In addition, when I built out a rig recently on their site, it came up to ~$4,500. When I built one myself on PartPicker with the components I'd really want, it came to less. The only issue being that I can't actually get a GPU on my own.
That's one of the drawbacks of ordering prebuilt systems. I prefer EVGA cards but beggers can't be choosers when it comes to brand loyalty. Unless something happens to eliminate nVidia GPUs as a viable method for mining crypto currency and restabilize the market, sacrificing component brand loyalty is a price I'm going to have to be willing to pay if and when I want or need to upgrade someday.
Yeah, if someone has been duped and cannot get their product/money back I highly suggest that people fill out an FBI fraud claim with their business fraud division, a particular quote from their site comes to mind: Non-delivery of merchandise: Fraud occurring when a payment is sent but the goods and services ordered are never received. That and the trade commission is another option as well, if anything it will get the ball moving on your claim with newegg as even they don't want to f*** with the feds!
...I'll still stick to DIY because of some of the limitations.
For one like yourself mention there are some things you can't get. Take enclosures for example. I prefer something nice clean and professional looking, not a rock concert light show on my desk. I prefer full towers with lots of room inside that not only offers more breathing room to the component's inside but allows for big GPU cards and is easier to deal with when performing maintenance or upgrades. (at least styling has calmed down a bit form a few years ago when some cases appeared as if they'd transform into a Decepticon when your back was turned). Yeah a small "nit pick" for some
Being more into workstations the price for a custom build is usually steeper than for a gaming system and the selection often more limited.
For parts my usual "go to" has been Newegg (believe it or not, I've never had an issue with anything I purchased from them) but have gravitated to PC Part Picker as they have a much larger selection of tech available including "legacy" components, (like pre-Kaby Lake CPUs which allows me to remain with Windows 7.- say what you will but I just need an OS that does what it's supposed to, support the software I use without a bunch of useless rubbish I don't need).
True, the GPU market is pretty borked at the time which does put the brakes on DIY projects for many.
You just described my own PC case... it also has 3 230mm, and one 140mm back exhaust fan also nary a single RGB strip in sight; hell, the side window is where one of my 230mm fans is located plus you can fit a dining room set in the bad-boy it's so big!
Couldn't agree more. You and I share the same minimalist aesthetic, though it should be noted you can select full tower chassis for prebuilt specs. Nevertheless, my own fondness for DIYs is why I'm not jumping into a prebuild - I'm just considering it as a last resort. As long nothing vital or irreplacable craps out in my current rig then there will be no need for me to upgrade for several more years.
...indeed, a nice no nonsense appearance. I don't mind a lit fan or so (I actually have 2 on the front [red]).. I'm just not into all the extra internal RBG lights & such that make the inside look like a set from Bladerunner. Admittedly, some things you have no control over, like some Nvida GPUs where the name lights up (my Titan X has that gives off a nice soft green glow inside).
Here is the case I've been talking about, sadly, no longer available. The extension on the side is the housing for the 240mm intake fan with a removable dust filter. If I could get a 3090 I'd have no problem fitting it inside. The odd part, it was classified as a "mid tower" but it dwarfs my other mid tower system.
I was able to get my 3090 using NowInStock.net and it sent me availability alerts based on the cards I wanted. I'm sure the other sites that do the same thing work well, but just wanted to share the one that I had success with.
But rock concert light shows on your desk are tight!
Computer I build last winter (AmazonSmile: Thermaltake Versa H17 Black SPCC Micro ATX Mini Tower Gaming Computer Case CA-1J1-00S1NN-00: Computers & Accessories ) is just a black box without any windows. It's a good thing it has no windows because sometimes it's hard to find a component at a fair price that it's wired up with those RGB LED lights. Although it's called a Micro ATX Mini Tower case it's quite large. It can only handle one video card at a time (hence my eventual interest in AMD releasing a 16 core 32 thread Ryzen Zen 5000 series APU with a Big Navi GPU integrated into it. Probably next year I hope although the APU may only be 8 core/16 thread or 12 core/24 thread instead of my desired 16 core/32 thread CPU).
Ugh! Looking at the prices for all the components I bought last winter and comparing those prices to today's prices, some serious price gouging is going on.
I would not mind a RGB lighted CPU meter as long as it looked like the Flux capacitor in back to the future
http://www.tmproductions.com/electornics/fluxcapacitor
Well, that's simple, build it with that same card and replace when prices are better.
...liking that 120mm exhaust fan in the back.
I just want to be able to buy a 24GB Nvidia card for $800 or less. Is that too much to ask?
here ya go ,,,
https://www.pccasegear.com/products/48879/nzxt-kraken-z73-360mm-aio-liquid-cpu-cooler ;
edit: that little screen on the CPU can also load animated GIF's so you cazn do alot with it.
I'm thinking I need one of these now
Nice looking case, it's a crying shame that it's now-defunct... Here's to you finally getting a 3090 in the future!
Wow, thanks for the new link, you can never have too many of these sites as we need an edge against these rotten scumbag scalpers! There really should be some sort of legal punitive action against this practice as it's already illegal to scalp tickets to events, why not extend it to goods as well?
I'm not a fan of the front of the case where it is a solid wall. The only air intakes are on the sides of the front panel, and that just doesn't sit well with me. For most cases the front serves as your air intake, and it is often the only intake. The other openings in a case may be large, but if they all are pushing air out, that is not good airfllow. Rendering is pretty hardware intense and you need good all around cooling. I like the cases that have large openings or mesh up front, so they can suck in all the air they need.
My H500 is just that, the front of the case is entirely a wire mesh with two giant 240mm fans. The downside being a lack of front drive bays. But it works. In the Daz bench thread my 1080tis are consistantly among the fastest (if not the fastest) 1080tis on the board, even going back to the old SIckleyield bench. That is not because I overclock them, it is largely due to the cooling system doing its job so the cards can maintain a higher clock for the duration of the render.
The funny thing is the H500 comes with an optional plastic plate for the front. The front has side vents, similar to the ones seen in these other cases. GamersNexus tested with the plate on and with it off, and the difference was night and day. With the plate on it was one of the worst performering cases, but without the plate it jumped to being one of the best. It was that drastic of a change.
And BTW, if you don't like the LEDs on the case fans, they can simply be turned off. But I don't think they are too gawdy. They can be a solid color, or they can slowly change colors. It is not a rapid change like some light show.
I would look up GamersNexus case reviews. They are one of the best reviewers around.
Anyway, while GPUs are hard to get, you may find other parts for a PC build. Since I doubt I will be finding a GPU anytime soon, I took the time to build a new base for a PC. I got a Ryzen 5800X, X570 motherboard, and 64GB of RAM from Microcenter. The 5800X was at MSRP, and with the deal they offer, the motherboard gets discounted $20. The RAM was also at a fair price. So it is possible to get a PC going without getting gouged. Best Buy also sells the CPUs at MSRP. So I am happy with this, and I'll be ready for a new GPU whenever they become available again.